Snipes is in the hands of the jury II

[Investor]

The jury is still out - we'll know what they say soon enough.

Absolutely correct - which is why most of this thread is just nonsensical.

You guys can play all the semantics games you like - I made my point. The bottom line is, there is ample evidence before the jury for them to conclude that Snipes was at one time relying upon Attorney Ray Pope, and that was the point that JJ chose to take issue with

Perhaps, perhaps not. You and Demo clearly know more about what the jury has by way of evidence than the rest of us.

I don't know how you do business, but I personally have never had a Client I never met, or talked to - and I have never had a case where an attorney represented someone they never met or talked to either.

Me neither. But I have been asked to do so by many disreputable "professionals", including Renaissance, The Tax People. Just because competent and ethical attorneys don't do this, does not mean that Ray Pope, who has demonstrated a lacking in professional ethics, does not operate in this manner.

EDIT: And by the way, Bill. I don't think you are correct when you say that everyone here has Snipes convicted already. I think most of us are admittedly unclear as to what the jury will do. Further, many of us have expressed our concerns for Snipes on a personal level - we are on this site because we are hopeful that we can dissuade people like Snipes from become the victims of the Kahns and Rosiles of the world.

[Bill E. Branscum]

What people who are reading Quatloos have seen are people making humorous comments and someone on the defense team out of control with unprofessional insults.

Oh, I see. Your statement, "Are you just blowing off steam, or do I really need to spend the time to debunk the nonsense you're posting here?" was intended to be funny.

I note that you have not followed up on your offer to "debunk the nonsense." Color me small minded, but when people start questioning my integrity, I just don't see the humor.

When you apologize and admit that everything I have said is supported by the transcripts and evidence, I'll be able to see it differently. Until then, I regard it as a cheap shot you cannot support.

[The Operative]

I don't know how you do business, but I personally have never had a Client I never met, or talked to - and I have never had a case where an attorney represented someone they never met or talked to either.

You guys can play all the semantics games you like - I made my point. The bottom line is, there is ample evidence before the jury for them to conclude that Snipes was at one time relying upon Attorney Ray Pope, and that was the point that JJ chose to take issue with.

The jury is still out - we'll know what they say soon enough.

Bill,

I am not following this case very closely, so I may be wrong. However, you may meet every client personally, but there is still no evidence that Snipes ever met Pope (EDIT: At least from what I have seen here). Snipes was using ARL. As far as I know, Eddie Kahn was the main contact at that company. Ray Pope did some legal work for ARL. It is entirely possible that Eddie Kahn had Snipes sign a POA and told him that he would have a lawyer take care of a particular issue. If that is the case, Snipes may have never even met or spoken with Pope or even have known the lawyer's name. Snipes may have trusted Kahn to handle the communications with the lawyer.

[wserra]

I'm just trying to look out for the best interests of Quatloos -

And I, for one, am certainly glad that we have you to do that.

we do have a reputation to uphold as a place to find out what's really going on.

We? We? The first time in years that you posted here, you defended Bernhoft (vx. Billy Martin) without telling anyone that you were on Bernhoft's payroll.

BTW, do you still think that Dan Meachum "epitomizes affinity fraud"? Have you leaned over and told him that lately?

As things were before I started posting, an independent observer would have seen nothing but the instant conviction on all counts rhetoric that has already proven to be wasted bandwidth.

"Nothing but" an instant conviction? Perhaps you didn't read my posts, in which I say I never attempt to predict what a jury will do, because you never know. And in which I wished Snipes well, were he to be acquitted. I wasn't the only one.

[Dezcad]

When you apologize and admit that everything I have said is supported by the transcripts and evidence, I'll be able to see it differently. Until then, I regard it as a cheap shot you cannot support.

I'm still wondering about which witness testified as to the "impeccable credentials" of Ray Pope that you mentioned and I asked about.

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Bill E. Branscum wrote:
Had you sat in a juror's seat, you would have heard that an attorney with impeccable credentials advised Snipes that all Americans have some sort of secret account that we don't know about . . . and we can use that account to discharge debts.

So who testified to Ray Pope's impeccable credentials that the jury would have heard?

[Bill E. Branscum]

BTW, do you still think that Dan Meachum "epitomizes affinity fraud"? Have you leaned over and told him that lately?

I don't have much to do with Meachum - he isn't here at the trial house with us, and I'm not expecting any Christmas cards when we leave.

[The Observer]

I'm still wondering about which witness testified as to the "impeccable credentials" of Ray Pope that you mentioned and I asked about.

And I'm wondering why Bill has avoided answering this question directly...twice.

[Bill E. Branscum]

When you apologize and admit that everything I have said is supported by the transcripts and evidence, I'll be able to see it differently. Until then, I regard it as a cheap shot you cannot support.

I'm still wondering about which witness testified as to the "impeccable credentials" of Ray Pope that you mentioned and I asked about.

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Bill E. Branscum wrote:
Had you sat in a juror's seat, you would have heard that an attorney with impeccable credentials advised Snipes that all Americans have some sort of secret account that we don't know about . . . and we can use that account to discharge debts.

So who testified to Ray Pope's impeccable credentials that the jury would have heard?

The first reference to Pope was in the opening statement to the Jury:

"One of the first ARL attorneys that is rolled out for Mr. Snipes is an attorney named Ray Pope. Mr. Pope has a spectacular pedigree, graduated top of his law class, what we call Order of the Coif, a special designation. He's certified to practice in Federal Court."

"And he also has a personal resume that would give
one confidence. He's a Sunday school teacher and deacon in
his Baptist church."

Bill

[Investor]

Bill-

Was anything mentioned about Pope's disbarment or his conviction for crimes of dishonesty?

Please note, I'm not piling onto the attacks against your perception of what happened. I'm genuinely interested to know if the government let the defense discuss the "great pedigree" of Pope without pointing out his own troubles with the law. Of course, I don't know the time-line, and could imagine this being deemed irrelevant if Pope's legal trouble happened after Snipe's reliance on his advice and Snipes had no way of knowing that such trouble was on the horizon.

[Imalawman]

When you apologize and admit that everything I have said is supported by the transcripts and evidence, I'll be able to see it differently. Until then, I regard it as a cheap shot you cannot support.

I'm still wondering about which witness testified as to the "impeccable credentials" of Ray Pope that you mentioned and I asked about.

Quote:
Bill E. Branscum wrote:
Had you sat in a juror's seat, you would have heard that an attorney with impeccable credentials advised Snipes that all Americans have some sort of secret account that we don't know about . . . and we can use that account to discharge debts.

So who testified to Ray Pope's impeccable credentials that the jury would have heard?

The first reference to Pope was in the opening statement to the Jury:

"One of the first ARL attorneys that is rolled out for Mr. Snipes is an attorney named Ray Pope. Mr. Pope has a spectacular pedigree, graduated top of his law class, what we call Order of the Coif, a special designation. He's certified to practice in Federal Court."

"And he also has a personal resume that would give
one confidence. He's a Sunday school teacher and deacon in
his Baptist church."

Bill

Still waiting for trial testimony. Opening statements aren't evidence, and the statement above borders on dishonesty.

[iplawyer]

The first reference to Pope was in the opening statement to the Jury:

"One of the first ARL attorneys that is rolled out for Mr. Snipes is an attorney named Ray Pope. Mr. Pope has a spectacular pedigree, graduated top of his law class, what we call Order of the Coif, a special designation. He's certified to practice in Federal Court."

"And he also has a personal resume that would give
one confidence. He's a Sunday school teacher and deacon in
his Baptist church."

You are the one playing with semantics, Bill. An alleged fact in an opening statement is not "testimony by a witness" to that fact. It is mere hearsay unless subsequently testified to by someone qualified to testify to that fact. Please produce the testimony that proves the alleged fact in the opening statement.

[Dezcad]

The first reference to Pope was in the opening statement to the Jury:

"One of the first ARL attorneys that is rolled out for Mr. Snipes is an attorney named Ray Pope. Mr. Pope has a spectacular pedigree, graduated top of his law class, what we call Order of the Coif, a special designation. He's certified to practice in Federal Court."

"And he also has a personal resume that would give
one confidence. He's a Sunday school teacher and deacon in
his Baptist church."

Bill

So was there any evidence introduced at trial (testimony or documents) that supported those assertions made in "opening arguments"?

Is it true that "Ray" is a "Sunday school teacher and deacon in his Baptist church"? Isn't he incarcerated?

[wserra]

the statement above borders on dishonesty.

On the wrong side of the border.

[Investor]

Any thoughts on this?

http://www.wftv.com/news/15188108/detail.html

OCALA, Fla. -- Channel 9 has uncovered video that could give actor Wesley Snipes a reason to appeal, if he's convicted of tax fraud.

In the last 24 hours, someone posted a video on Youtube of prosecution witness Carmen Baker.

In the video Baker, a former Snipes employee, tells other employees that she did not withhold taxes from payroll. She admits she willingly participated in a tax scheme jurors heard was forced on her by Snipes.

“The IRS doesn't need to know that for three months we weren't taxed. It's just as simple as that,” said Baker in the video. “Guess what? I got a refund. Guess what? Next time you see me, I'll be driving a BMW, because I got a refund.”

Baker testified during the trial that she was a victim of Snipes' tax beliefs. His legal team believes the video may tell a very different story.

“I have to look at it but if that's in fact true, and she's a star government witness, that presents a problem,” said Danny Meachum, Snipes’ attorney.

It is unclear what the video means for the defense. Jurors have deliberated for two days and the Snipes team might argue their verdict should be thrown out or that Snipes should get a new trial.

[webhick]

Does anyone know if a transcript of the video exists? I can't hear it very well.

[Bill E. Branscum]

Bill-

Was anything mentioned about Pope's disbarment or his conviction for crimes of dishonesty?

Please note, I'm not piling onto the attacks against your perception of what happened. I'm genuinely interested to know if the government let the defense discuss the "great pedigree" of Pope without pointing out his own troubles with the law. Of course, I don't know the time-line, and could imagine this being deemed irrelevant if Pope's legal trouble happened after Snipe's reliance on his advice and Snipes had no way of knowing that such trouble was on the horizon.

No offense taken - Pope's conviction and disbarment was not considered to be relevant since that all happened after the fact - the fact being Snipes initial reliance in good faith.

Keep in mind that the defense offered a "stair step" defense of initial reliance, and then standing pat once the government advised Snipes that he was under criminal investigation and read him Miranda Rights (May 2002).

If a person files and pays upon being noticed that they are under criminal investigation, the government can be expected to use the fact that a person filed and paid as evidence that they never really believed they didn't have to. In fact, that is precisely what they argued with respect to Rosile in this case.

[iplawyer]

Bill-

Was anything mentioned about Pope's disbarment or his conviction for crimes of dishonesty?

Please note, I'm not piling onto the attacks against your perception of what happened. I'm genuinely interested to know if the government let the defense discuss the "great pedigree" of Pope without pointing out his own troubles with the law. Of course, I don't know the time-line, and could imagine this being deemed irrelevant if Pope's legal trouble happened after Snipe's reliance on his advice and Snipes had no way of knowing that such trouble was on the horizon.

No offense taken - Pope's conviction and disbarment was not considered to be relevant since that all happened after the fact - the fact being Snipes initial reliance in good faith.

Keep in mind that the defense offered a "stair step" defense of initial reliance, and then standing pat once the government advised Snipes that he was under criminal investigation and read him Miranda Rights (May 2002).

If a person files and pays upon being noticed that they are under criminal investigation, the government can be expected to use the fact that a person filed and paid as evidence that they never really believed they didn't have to. In fact, that is precisely what they argued with respect to Rosile in this case.

Bill - where is the witness testimony that Pope was the guy alleged by the attorney giving the opening statement? Why do you practice selective responding here when you are caught in a lie?

[Kimokeo]

"One of the first ARL attorneys that is rolled out for Mr. Snipes is an attorney named Ray Pope. Mr. Pope has (had) a spectacular pedigree, graduated top of his law class, what we call Order of the Coif, a special designation. He's was certified to practice in Federal Court."

"And he also has a personal resume that would give
one confidence. He's was a Sunday school teacher and was a deacon in his Baptist church."

Out of curiosity, was the opening statement made before or after his conviction?

[Evil Squirrel Overlord]

Does anyone know if a transcript of the video exists? I can't hear it very well.

More importantly how can I get a BMW from my refund?

[jg]

Does anyone know if a transcript of the video exists? I can't hear it very well.

More importantly how can I get a BMW from my refund?

1987 325is bmw - $700 see http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/car/559161179.html