The Joling Verdict?

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The Joling Verdict?

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I just ran across this article and only found one obscure reference to Joling on this site from back in 2011 when he was indicted. Anyone got more and more up to date information on the Joling case?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/sove ... ly-to-him/

Of course, I have to make the connection to the Hovind case which continues to develop.

The article noted above references the wife and her claims. Jo Hovind has yet to come out and give an account of where she is at in all of that regarding her husband.

And the article also notes a mental evaluation of Mr. Joling indicated he has at least one symptom of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Kent Hovind never put on a defense in his previous criminal trial. Maybe Kent's public defender got a mental evaluation of Kent Hovind for his upcoming criminal contempt case and we could be hearing more about that.

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Recent developments...
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/ ... a.html.csp
Ronald and Dorothea Joling were being held Tuesday in the Coconino County Detention Facility after U.S. marshals took them into custody on arrest warrants issued in April.
A federal jury in Eugene convicted the Jolings of conspiracy to defraud the government after a trial one year ago. Ronald Joling, 71, also was found guilty of tax evasion and two counts of filing false tax returns. The jury acquitted Dorothea Joling, 72, of a tax evasion charge.
They absconded before sentencing.
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Re: The Joling Verdict?

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Don't know how I missed this guy before. He's a hoot. Unless, of course, you happen to be his lawyer.

Back in 2011, the Jolings are indicted for evasion and related offenses. 11cr60131 (DOR). During the course of the proceedings, that have two Faretta (ability to be pro se) hearings, the only case I've ever seen with more than one. They keep saying things like "we conditionally accept the [court-appointed] representation pending the outcome of the administrative process"; a waiver of the right to counsel must be explicit, and this isn't. Still, it appears that the judge was not all that familiar with sovrun-ese. Take a look at the very amusing transcript of the second hearing. They eventually go to trial and lose. Judge Aiken leaves them out pending sentence (they are both in their seventies).

Following the trial, they file liens against the trial judge, the AUSA and several others who done them wrong. They are indicted for it. 15cr113 (DOR). Needless to say, they don't show for either the sentencing or the arraignment on the new indictment. Bench warrants are issued for their arrest. While on the lam, they file a 324-page steaming pile of nonsense, which they call "Notice of Adjudicative Facts Requiring Mandatory Judicial Notice in Pursuance of Federal Rules of Evidence". The clerk's office, having no idea what to call the thing, breaks it up into eight pieces and files it under the name the Jolings gave it. If you have too much time on your hands today, you might take a look at the first and last parts. Then tell us what you would call it - other , of course, than "steaming pile of nonsense".

In any event, the Jolings were arrested in Clarkdale, AZ, a few days ago. I'm sure they will be a good source of further amusement once back in Oregon.
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The filings are more than a "steaming pile" of nonsense; they are a product of people with entirely too much time on their hands and unlimited access to the ultimate gibberish library.

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The Jolings due back in court today!

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http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/ ... /story.csp
A Coquille preacher and his wife were arraigned Monday on newly filed, expanded charges that accuse them of filing bogus and vindictive liens against several federal officials who handled aspects of a separate criminal tax case involving the couple.

Ronald and Dorothea Joling appeared in U.S. District Court in Eugene after a federal grand jury last week returned a five-count indictment accusing them of filing false, retaliatory liens against District Judge Ann Aiken, Magistrate Judge Thomas Coffin, Clerk of the Court Mary Moran and Assistant U.S. Attorney Scott Bradford.
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If only there were a pill to treat this insanity.
In court Monday, the couple both made somewhat nonsensical statements that appeared to puzzle Judge Michael McShane, who at one point suggested Ronald Joling “may need an interpreter” to communicate with court officials.
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They've really drunk deep of the koolaid. Must not want to ever get out of jail.
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