Defective Language Learning Among Pseudolawyers

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Defective Language Learning Among Pseudolawyers

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I speculate that a lot of the problems with pseudolaw theorists comes from the problems they have in learning the new vocabulary of an alien system. Since they do not have a decent idea of how society functions and the way ambiguities need to get resolved, they try to interpret words with the garbled fragments of knowledge they already have and end up over-relying on the little bits they have heard such as the way lots of regular tax or traffic laws get argued against by using the strict scrutiny standard as if that was the only one.

Specifically, little children learning words rely on the mutual exclusivity assumption where they assume that each word only refers to one thing and it takes more information to distinguish sub-categories or alternate meanings based on specific context.

A number of linguistic features of pseudolawyers stand out in that regard. Note the misuse of the word "equity". Since the term "equity" has a financial meaning, the pseudolawyers assume any meanings are financial-related as opposed to the actual mutual origin when property cases were heard in the court of equity.

The concept of lex specialis is essential for the complexities of a written legal system but many pseudolaw adherents don't seem to understand it. They seem to believe that if something can be characterized as a protected activity, it must be a protected activity such as "travel" being protected hence anything that accomplishes that goal being protected.

The reliance on out-of-place definitions seems to follow the pattern. They can't seem to understand that the multiple meanings of a word might need to be parsed differently based on context or that one statute might try to limit the meaning of a word despite the broader usage in the general society and other laws. Leaving aside the issue of hubris, I wonder if part of that is the inability to imagine the difficulties of writing laws. The "tell me how to make me a sandwich" or "no vehicles in the park" exercises emphasize the difficulties of writing laws but those exercises don't have a lot of visibility to the general public. The idea of one unchanging meaning would make reference to old legal dictionaries more plausible.

The garbled understanding of terms and context would make their repeated efforts to challenge the legitimacy of various laws on the basis of some long-prior illegitimacy more understandable. Law is not just the thing that Justice Holmes' bad man must deal with, it is also a set of somewhat abstract principles and several layers of abstraction deal with the evolution of law and the force of various principles. And it all gets called "law". The repeated references by some pseudolawyers to Bastiat's philosophical work The Law or J.S. Mill's Harm principle (very narrowly interpreted) suggests that they aren't citing them for persuasive authority but as binding authority.

I also suspect that a different cognitive feature is in play. As certain things in society get administered to the point that intermediaries handle a lot of the legal issues, some people can fall into the "if I don't see it, it doesn't exist" mindset and forget that a lot of those systems are sustained by the coercive power of law. They take the current state as the natural state. For example, the idea that all drivers would drive safely without licenses or speeding tickets is unlikely if one is aware of the state of certain people without the threat of punishment. Nonetheless, some people would assume the current coerced state is natural and argue that reasonable drivers would still be safe without laws.

Of course, law is often designed around the unreasonable, malicious, or forgetful people. Note Federalist 51:
If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.
The habit of ignoring the behavior modification of the system is going to make it look like these issues are simple or that men, in the absence of government, are angels. Under such blindness, the harm principle will be viewed more narrowly than a more Hobbesian approach would.

Since learning words sometimes encounters synonyms or specialized distinctions, it seems that many pseudolawyers have a hard time distinguishing between when words are used with a specialized meaning or when they are being used as synonyms or other common usage. The prevalence of fears over trickery and the previously mentioned blindness to the effects of the system would make them try to find the secret distinctions that seem to be kept repeated.

The words used by authority figures can also be taken out of context (not unusual) but I think it is done so because the pseudolawyers are unable to distinguish between the florid speech of someone whose audience knows their limitations or the analogies being made. Note how Hale v. Henkel, 201 U.S. 370 (1906) gets interpreted. The core of the case is about if a corporation has the 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination but the later bit has a florid bit about
Conceding that the witness was an officer of the corporation under investigation, and that he was entitled to assert the rights of corporation with respect to the production of its books and papers, we are of the opinion that there is a clear distinction in this particular between an individual and a corporation, and that the latter has no right to refuse to submit its books and papers for an examination at the suit of the State. The individual may stand upon his constitutional rights as a citizen. He is entitled to carry on his private business in his own way. His power to contract is unlimited. He owes no duty to the State or to his neighbors to divulge his business, or to open his doors to an investigation, so far as it may tend to criminate him. He owes no such duty to the State, since he receives nothing therefrom beyond the protection of his life and property. His rights are such as existed by the law of the land long antecedent to the organization of the State, and can only be taken from him by due process of law, and in accordance with the Constitution
The later part is often quoted as if it was governing all of society and that the government only had power over corporations. The idea of contextual hyperbole in the mouth of a judge seems surprising to some people.

The theory put forward by some is that the federal government only has authority over D.C. and such references are taken as evidence of that (famously Paul Andrew Mitchell's The Federal Zone") along with the misinterpretation of the word "including".Of course, there are people who try to sustain such a theory by pointing out the occasional phrases by politicians "this corporation of ours" or "D.C. has determined" when referring to the federal government.

A linguistic concept that might explain this is synedecdoche (the reference to the whole by one of its parts or the reverse). I suspect that some of the people might have some kind of defect in their linguistic processing of analogies or something similar that is used for synecdoche. Or it could just be some weird categorization error. Some people seem to take a trait that is displayed in a situation as if that was the defining feature. Note the way that some people assume the coercive action in a criminal case is viewed as proof of being inequity court because "equity can only compel".

Are there any other bits of linguistic weirdness you have observed? Opinions on my analysis?
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LawofImprobability wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:19 pm I speculate that a lot of the problems with pseudolaw theorists comes from the problems they have in learning the new vocabulary of an alien system.
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I remember when I was practicing law, and drafting documents for clients in which I used "plain English", intending to make their meanings more clear. A few clients viewed them with distaste, saying that they "didn't look/sound 'legal', being in plain English.

One of these clients later came to me for a will; and I prepared two versions for her. One was the real will; but the first one which I gave to her was so larded with words and phrases like "heretofore," "hereinafter," "force and effect," "give, devise and bequeath," "give, grant, bargain, sell and convey unto the said...," and so on, making it about three times longer than the real will (I typed this phony will myself -- I didn't make the secretary wade through it). My client got the point.
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Do not say you understand their words, thoughts, or actions.

If you do "under stand" (according to their linguistic logic), you are standing under them -- thereby accepting them.

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Pottapaug1938 wrote: Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:40 pm I remember when I was practicing law, and drafting documents for clients in which I used "plain English", intending to make their meanings more clear. A few clients viewed them with distaste, saying that they "didn't look/sound 'legal', being in plain English.

One of these clients later came to me for a will; and I prepared two versions for her. One was the real will; but the first one which I gave to her was so larded with words and phrases like "heretofore," "hereinafter," "force and effect," "give, devise and bequeath," "give, grant, bargain, sell and convey unto the said...," and so on, making it about three times longer than the real will (I typed this phony will myself -- I didn't make the secretary wade through it). My client got the point.
"Plain English" was a big push in 1L and Legal Rhetoric. To some extent, it was a good thing. Trying to wade through the language of early 1800s cases is made harder by some judges love of such vague phrases. Unfortunately, it can also go too far.

One of my frustrations is the way that converting a sentence from passive voice to active voice can introduce assumptions that passive voice did not have. There is a big difference between "the victim was found on the floor and Bob was standing over him with a knife" and "Bob had stabbed the victim with a knife". The active voice construction makes the assumption that Bob did the stabbing but other possibilities exist such as having found the situation and reacted in shock. Certain phrase such as
"in order to" have connotations that are different from "to" even though the denotation is the same.
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I found that in many cases, using legalese became a shortcut to avoid really thinking about what the lawyer meant to say. I ran into a guy who claimed that he could dictate a complaint in an hour or two and it would be 10 pages long, and I just thought that was stupid. I read a brief once that had "aforementioned", "aforedescribed", and "aforesaid" in the same sentence. :shock:

I worked as an intern for a federal judge in Los Angeles during the second semester of my second year of law school. He'd get, for example, a pile of papers regarding a motion on one of his civil cases. The pile would include the motion, the opposition, and the reply brief in support of the motion, and there would often be a lot of exhibits and so forth. Sometimes it would add up to a stack an inch or two high.

My job was to take that stack of papers, read it all, double check the legal research, and distill it down to a 3 or 4 page summary of what both sides were saying, what the law was, and what I'd recommend as his ruling.

And he would read only what I wrote. Those lawyers who had been practicing already for many years and charged hundreds of dollars per hour to write those lengthy motion papers? He never looked at what they wrote. And I had to write in plain English, using legal terminology only where necessary to understand the law as it applied to the facts.

But if one of the fancy lawyers submitted a brief that was only 3 or 4 pages, he'd read that.

It was a good lesson. I never wrote a motion more than 5 pages long when I was able to practice on my own. I didn't trust some second-year law student to rewrite what I wanted to say.
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I once had a wonderful English teacher in high school who told me something I've stuck to in my entire life. He told me one day, after reading my classmates essays, that if you can't express an idea or concept in under 400 words then you don't really understand it. Anything beyond that and you're just making it lengthy with no substance.
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I had a prof who used to observe that knowledge is being able to demonstrate that a tomato is a fruit.

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LawofImprobability wrote: Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:19 pm Are there any other bits of linguistic weirdness you have observed? Opinions on my analysis?
I think it is too complex---people have desires, and they develop systems of language to reflect those desires. You can take the sort of chauvinistic perspective that those who do not share your desires, and therefore do not share your language, are somehow disabled, dirty, unchristian, uncivilized, etc. or you can simply say "well, they don't desire what I desire, so they won't adopt my language." Plus in many situations, there would be no form of words that would get someone off the hook, e.g. if he hasn't paid his mortgage or paid the taxes due, so, if he fundamentally can't pay his mortgage or his taxes, why would he adopt a language that says he must do so? The "you're making things worse for yourself by not adopting our language," well, that may be true, but why should he desire to make himself better by using the language of people he feels oppress him unjustly? Maybe he desires to be some sort of martyr in his own little opera. People have all sorts of desires, the professional classes are largely homogeneous and often times cannot fathom the desires of people outside the fairly sheltered places they inhabit. That said, I know lawyers and surgeons who believe in God and pray to him, so, you know...is that a defective understanding of language, praying to God?
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Yep, Another word salad candidate :beatinghorse:
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My take is that the pseudolegalese crowd suffer not only from lack of understanding, yes, I used the word intentionally, not only the words they are trying to use, but of their own native language as well. They are also of the school of thought that words only can have one meaning.
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