Weston's new idea: This should work ?

[Nikki]

Weston has finally found the silver bullet. We'll have to kill him before anyone else finds out

This last week, due to several other threads on this matter I have been pondering the idea or usefulness, (if any) of filing a type of ‘Affidavit of Recantation’, with both the IRS and SSA, also possibly with the County Clerk.
Now, this would basically be our affirmed testimony and declaration that we from this time now and forward, no longer wish to participate within FICA, nor will we apply for any form, fashion, or manner of Social Security or Medicare, et al, benefits; nor shalt we apply for any form, fashion, or manner of FUTA benefits. Also, possibly include statements clarifying that we are non-taxpayers and list a few other logical statements as necessary.

This is a brainstorm sort of idea, I was wondering what others thought about this “crazy” idea? I thought this would be good, because it serves to take away that stigma of well you have to pay these taxes because when you become unemployed you will of course apply for FUTA or when you get old you will of course apply for FICA, yata, yata, yata… Well, yea, but if I am able to keep my money, I could save it for a rainy date, and of course that money I saved will amount to most likely 2/3 more then I would have been awarded through FUTA benefits anyways, say that is sort of funny, right! Tax the crap out of me, then when I become in need only give me a fraction of it back to “subsist” me. Blah!

[Famspear]

Weston White wrote:

This last week, due to several other threads on this matter I have been pondering the idea or usefulness, (if any) of filing a type of ‘Affidavit of Recantation’, with both the IRS and SSA, also possibly with the County Clerk.
Now, this would basically be our affirmed testimony and declaration that we from this time now and forward, no longer wish to participate within FICA, nor will we apply for any form, fashion, or manner of Social Security or Medicare, et al, benefits; nor shalt we apply for any form, fashion, or manner of FUTA benefits. Also, possibly include statements clarifying that we are non-taxpayers and list a few other logical statements as necessary.

This is a brainstorm sort of idea, I was wondering what others thought about this “crazy” idea? I thought this would be good, because it serves to take away that stigma of well you have to pay these taxes because when you become unemployed you will of course apply for FUTA or when you get old you will of course apply for FICA, yata, yata, yata… Well, yea, but if I am able to keep my money, I could save it for a rainy date, and of course that money I saved will amount to most likely 2/3 more then I would have been awarded through FUTA benefits anyways, say that is sort of funny, right! Tax the crap out of me, then when I become in need only give me a fraction of it back to “subsist” me. Blah!

Gosh darn, he figured the whole thing out. I never thought anyone would ever do it!

Except for one thing: Weston misspelled "Yada, yada, yada." That invalidates the whole thing -- irrecovably, of course -- not only for Weston, but for any other tax protesters who read it -- according to the Illuminati Handbook of Obscure and Unfair Rules About Tax Protesters and Their Arguments, Rule 53.736(b), Effects of Misspelling Magical Words Previously Used on Seinfeld Television Program Episodes, as amended.

Sorry Weston, back to square one for you, ol' buddy! Do not pass "go"; do not collect $200.

[Imalawman]

Except for one thing: Weston misspelled "Yada, yada, yada." That invalidates the whole thing -- irrecovably, of course -- not only for Weston, but for any other tax protesters who read it -- according to the Illuminati Handbook of Obscure and Unfair Rules About Tax Protesters and Their Arguments, Rule 53.736(b), Effects of Misspelling Magical Words Previously Used on Seinfeld Television Program Episodes, as amended.

Sorry Weston, back to square one for you, ol' buddy! Do not pass "go"; do not collect $200.

Webhick, what is his punishment for public dissemination of sensitive illuminati internal policies? Do we still have any interns left this time of year?

[Judge Roy Bean]

....Also, possibly include statements clarifying that we are non-taxpayers and list a few other logical statements as necessary. ....

Other logical statements?

[fortinbras]

I would have emphasized the word "other" ...
Although the title "affidavit of recantation" is new to me, various schemes to collect huge refunds from the IRS by various documents "rescinding" or "amending" the tax returns (or W-4 forms or Soc.Sec. applications, etc.) of previous years have been attempted, belatedly denying citizenship or taxable status in some way. This have been as successful as my attempts to become Paris Hilton's new BFF.

[jkeeb]

I cannot imagine what the poor GS-4 or 5 at the IRS would do with an affidavit of refutation.

The only thing that comes to mind is the classified trash can.

[ASITStands]

This is nothing more than "reinventing the wheel," as it's been tried before.

Once upon a time, the fashionable thing to do among tax deniers was to file a Notice of Revocation of Signature [on all former tax returns] and Revocation of Power of Attorney.

Usually, it was accompanied by a Letter of Determination to, variously, Washington, DC [Chief Counsel] or Philadelphia, PA [International Director], in an attempt to get them to determine the professed nonresident alien was NOT a taxpayer.

The names of Eddie Kahn, Milton Baxley, Gene Bridges, etc. come to mind.

Sometimes it's amazing that there's nothing new in tax protesting but warmed-over arguments repackaged with a new look and feel, and maybe one more shot at notoriety.

Cracking the Code is warmed-over Taxgate [Rick Haraka] and NITE [Thurston Bell].

Yes. I'm aware that the others developed the "861" scheme to go along with their "4852" filings, but the results are the same. A "zero" return and a claim for refund of withholding.

Cracking the Code proponents are ignorant of tax denier history.

[LOBO]

And you wonder why the IRS never has to requisition toilet paper.......

Correspondence Imaging System. In most service centers, amended returns and mail are scanned into an image file.

Of course, we are talking grade 5's. Especially the blonde ones who had to get their monitors replaced because the white-out wouldn't come out.

[Quixote]

but if I am able to keep my money, I could save it for a rainy date, and of course that money I saved will amount to most likely 2/3 more then I would have been awarded through FUTA benefits anyways

Time for more TP cluelessness trivia questions.

1) How much has Weston paid in FUTA taxes as an employee?

2) If Weston becomes unemployed tommorrow what would be the amount of his benefits under FUTA?

[Famspear]

but if I am able to keep my money, I could save it for a rainy date, and of course that money I saved will amount to most likely 2/3 more then I would have been awarded through FUTA benefits anyways

Time for more TP cluelessness trivia questions.

1) How much has Weston paid in FUTA taxes as an employee?

2) If Weston becomes unemployed tommorrow what would be the amount of his benefits under FUTA?

Quixote, you're right! Hey, that is an idea for a whole new frivolous tax protester argument: That every worker is entitled to a refund of the FUTA tax he has paid as an employee! Perhaps a whole cottage industry could develop under that argument, a new cult with its own "guru." Yeah, file a refund claim for a tax you never paid, and for which you were never liable -- a tax imposed on and paid by your employer! Is this a great country, or what?

Maybe Pete Hendrickson should get in on the ground floor on this one. Actually, this argument might make just as much sense to PeterEricBlowhardMeister as Uncle Pete's clueless statement that, in a federal erroneous tax refund case, "As a condition precedent to the Court acquiring jurisdiction of the subject matter of this suit, pursuant to IRC [section] 7405, there must be a showing of an 'erroneous tax refund' to Defendants."

And get any applicable deadbeat "losthorizoners" on board to file lots of applications to receive all those good "FUTA benefits" -- after having been laid off by all those "non-employer" employers who paid all those "non-wage" wages. Yeah, that's the ticket!

I shouldn't say anything. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually been tried somewhere.

[Evil Squirrel Overlord]

Actually he is correct on one point. You can opt out of Social Security, but you don't get a refund from what you paid in. Once you opt out you can never return even if you become disabled.

However in order to opt out one needs to prove that you live in a mutual supportive society that will 100% take care of you in your old age or if you become disabled. This MUST be an established mutual supportive society that has a long proven track record of such support. It cannot be one just thrown together for dodging SSI. But don't look for an opt out form. You will need to go to court and prove that you are a member of such a society. Luckily your average tax protester would love to live in one of these societies which are 100% religious-based, insular and socialistic in nature. (think monastic, Amish, or a People's Temple) Don't want to follow the rules? No problem. Expulsion is the best punishment. Of course, you don't get benefits.

[Lambkin]

This is nothing more than "reinventing the wheel," as it's been tried before.

The wheel, that elegant and useful object which propelled human civilization, is distressed by this association.