Random Freemanesque Babblings II: Back to the Futile

[John Uskglass]

Well now. There's always been a question as to whether FMOTL belief could escalate into terrorism. This case still seems to be proceeding, so charges are yet to be proved or not, but it makes quite interesting reading. Extracts to show FMOTL connection - worth reading the whole thing!

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/loc ... n-26771003

Conspiracy theorists 'plotted to burn down 5G masts' in Yorkshire, court told

Opening the case to jurors, Mr Storey said the pair had been communicating between themselves and with others on social media site Telegram. It was said Reynolds was the admin of a number of channels under the names The Scum, We The People and Practical Lawful Dissent UK, Canada, South Africa and Commonwealth.

The court heard he was also the owner and creator of Telegram groups named Constitutional Common Law England and Smart Meter Exchange, which is was said was used to advise people to bypass electricity meters. Mr Storey said Reynolds used Telegram to share extreme right-wing, antisemitic and racist views.

Grayson, of Boothwood Road in York, said she needed a “sabotage team” to “get rid of these 5G bloody near me” in a Telegram exchange on August 7 2021. On May 13, 2022, it was said there was exchange between the defendants where Reynolds said: "Let's go burn stuff," to which Grayson replied: "Let's do it I'm serious." Reynolds then said that they could be the "first male female arson team" and Grayson responded: "Bonny and Clyde with a box of matches." She later wrote: "Think we need a group for fire balling 5G."

The pair were released pending further investigation of their devices and were arrested again in August 2022. Mr Storey said: "Darren Peter Reynolds said to the arresting officer: 'I don't recognise your authority. Are you a constable?'"

Mr Storey sad: "Christine Grayson was again obstructive towards the interviewing officers, telling that she did not understand anything they said to her, that they had no authority to do what they had done to her that day, and that they had kidnapped her. She said she did not agree with 5G masts, because they hurt, harmed and injured people."

Grayson told officers she stood under common law, the law of the land and said "Magna Carta said there should be English people running the country."

Later, it was said, Reynolds told police he "wanted to see proof that he had consented to being policed, that he did not recognise the police's authority and that he was not a criminal...he then said that the police were just boring the s*** out of him. He also said that he thought the police were planting evidence on his devices."

[longdog]

Grayson told officers she stood under common law, the law of the land and said "Magna Carta said there should be English people running the country."

Will you tell her or should I?

[The Observer]

Will you tell her or should I?

You can tell her, but make sure you use an outrageous French accent.

[ArthurWankspittle]

....and said "Magna Carta said there should be English people running the country."

That would be the Magna Carta written in Latin because only some of the parties actually spoke anything resembling English. And the people "running the country" spoke French. So [outrageous French accent] "Mind your own business".[/outrageous French accent]

[aesmith]

Back with the meter swapping nutcases, some seem not just aggrieved but also surprised that it isn't going as smoothly as they'd been promised. Take this lady who splashed out £500 to get the meters replaced and expected free gas and electricity from the foreseeable future ..

Guys we now have DCAs after us for the alleged debt left with octopus. I need to put the trespass info on the door and better prepare myself for bailiffs. Can someone send me the info and maybe a video or two that would help?

To be honest I never expected to attract bailiffs when we switched the meters. I genuinely thought we’d close the account and be left alone. It’s been nearly 18 months though but the threat of bailiffs has got me so worried.

[longdog]

To be honest I never expected to attract bailiffs when we switched the meters. I genuinely thought we’d close the account and be left alone.

I find it hard to believe anybody capable of stringing a coherent sentence together could be that stupid. Why do they think we have meters in the first place if not to tell the utility company how much to charge?

[morrand]

To be honest I never expected to attract bailiffs when we switched the meters. I genuinely thought we’d close the account and be left alone.

I find it hard to believe anybody capable of stringing a coherent sentence together could be that stupid. Why do they think we have meters in the first place if not to tell the utility company how much to charge?

The argument, as I understand it, is that the electricity and gas is public property, so that all the utility is doing is charging for the privilege of having their meter on your property. Ergo, remove the meter, and there's nothing left that they can charge for.

I suppose that hasn't made it sound less stupid after all.

[Burnaby49]

The argument, as I understand it, is that the electricity and gas is public property, so that all the utility is doing is charging for the privilege of having their meter on your property. Ergo, remove the meter, and there's nothing left that they can charge for.

I suppose that hasn't made it sound less stupid after all.

Not at all, they're entirely correct in their conclusion. If a gas customer removes the meter the gas will be shut off by the utility. So they're no longer subject to gas bills.

[aesmith]

Ther arguments are not entirely consistent, no surprise. Some say to change the meters then tell the supplier you've moved out. Some say tell the supplier you've changed the meters, that is the course of action that gets you disconnected quickest as it's as good as confessing to energy theft. Some say don't say anything, in which case the supplier presumably bills on estimated readings until they realise something's up.

[ArthurWankspittle]

Some say tell the supplier you've changed the meters, that is the course of action that gets you disconnected quickest as it's as good as confessing to energy theft.

I think you are obliged to as every meter has its own unique number (MPAN? anybody)

Some say don't say anything, in which case the supplier presumably bills on estimated readings until they realise something's up.

Like when they physically read the meter. Reader will report back it has changed and trigger an investigation. The one thing we haven't had AFAIK is a meter reader not realising it has been swapped and recording a massive usage which subsequently gets billed.

[hucknallred]

I think you are obliged to as every meter has its own unique number (MPAN? anybody)

They do, I briefly worked in the Smart Meter world last year, although it was very dull & I didn't take much in.
I think MPAN & MPRN relate to Electric & Gas meters, there is also an identifier unique to the address. Smart Meters also have a GUID which is a set of Hex numbers, that identify the communication side of things.

Some say don't say anything, in which case the supplier presumably bills on estimated readings until they realise something's up.

This is the case with old dumb meters

Like when they physically read the meter. Reader will report back it has changed and trigger an investigation. The one thing we haven't had AFAIK is a meter reader not realising it has been swapped and recording a massive usage which subsequently gets billed.

The meter reader is pretty much extinct now in the UK since we got multiple suppliers, relying on customers to provide their own readings.
Smart meters should provide regular readings, but they are unreliable in my experience. There is a whole industry around supporting them, I'm on my 3rd set of them now & the latest set still have communication problems.
On that subject the guy that swapped them entered a final reading exactly 8000kWh lower than my final reading. I thought I'd get a refund, but instead just got free electric from my last manual reading to the swap - around 10 days worth.

If someone replaces a smart meter with a dodgy one, the energy company will realise it's not talking after a couple of months. They then log a ticket with DCC (A division of Capita), who then get the Comms provider (O2 or Arqiva) to check it out, they tell DCC it's not talking & needs a reset. The energy company then has to arrange for a firm to go out & power it down for 10 minutes and replace if that doesn't fix it.
This process can take months until the supplier finds out. When they do they send the wallopers to fit prepay meters.

There are a few videos about where we see this taking place. Likewise there are instances of the supply being cut off in the street where people haven't let them in.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Smart meters should provide regular readings, but they are unreliable in my experience. There is a whole industry around supporting them, I'm on my 3rd set of them now & the latest set still have communication problems.

Or not set up properly! My smart meter was put in years ago by a company that went bust. When I moved to EDF they said that they couldn't use that meter, so I was submitting them manually. 6 months later suddenly it started working, only they'd reprogrammed it remotely and swapped the day and night rate readings around

[hucknallred]

Or not set up properly! My smart meter was put in years ago by a company that went bust. When I moved to EDF they said that they couldn't use that meter.

SMETS1 meter I dare say, they did become permanently dumb on a CoS, but they can now change supplier after some software tricks.

Good luck getting your rates sorted. I saw some service tickets that had been rumbling on for years.
The most proactive supplier for sorting issues is Octopus by a country mile.

[aesmith]

I think you are obliged to as every meter has its own unique number (MPAN? anybody)

MPAN identifies the supply location, it doesn't change when the meter changes. My bills before and after the Smart Meter install have the same MPAN but different meter serial number.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Or not set up properly! My smart meter was put in years ago by a company that went bust. When I moved to EDF they said that they couldn't use that meter.

SMETS1 meter I dare say, they did become permanently dumb on a CoS, but they can now change supplier after some software tricks.

Good luck getting your rates sorted. I saw some service tickets that had been rumbling on for years.
The most proactive supplier for sorting issues is Octopus by a country mile.

It just so happened that I was keeping a daily manual reading at the time which was how I noticed it or I would have been none the wiser. The rates were sorted at the next quarter billing. However, as their mistake resulted in my being billed for day time usage at night time rates, I kept quiet... and kept the £100 rebate!

[Hercule Parrot]

Not directly sovcit/FMOTL but it was pleasing to see Debbie Hicks (self-styled "citizen guerrilla journalist”) lose both her appeals for trouble-making during the Covid pandemic.

https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk ... /2023/1090

https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk ... /2023/1089

[aesmith]

Do we have any form on a lady Lisa Waters, also trading as "T Ruth" and "Lisa Jane Waters" on Facebook, and "Lisa T Ruth" on Telegram? She's in about the fit-your-own-meter business, and had her's forcible whipped out in favour of prepayment, but she seems to spout other Freeman Strawman stuff as well

[dannyno]

I've been reading the coverage of the sentencing of Peter Nash, who murdered his wife and daughter last September. He was given a minimum of 40 years.

Anyway, I noticed this in the BBC article about the case:

Prosecutor David Josse KC said Nash "calmly and chillingly" admitted the killings and tried to justify it as punishment for his wife's infidelity, and that his daughter was his "property".

Representing himself, Nash claimed the legal system did not apply to him and he compared courts to casinos where "the house always wins".

Mr Josse said there was no evidence the defendant was suffering from a psychiatric illness.

[rosy]

I'm watching Police Interceptors on Channel 5 and there is a sov-cit twat maintaining that his car (containing cannabis, naturally) is a "private conveyance". He's now called his mum to the scene who is also arguing statutes v acts.

After much arguing and timewasting, it turns out that sonny-boy has a licence and insurance after all. So sovcit, much resistance.

[Pottapaug1938]

My wife once worked at our state's Registry of Motor Vehicles (thanks to which we have health insurance which does not bankrupt us or destroy the kids' inheritance, thanks to her cancer and my aches and pains due to age). She saw more than a few men, in their late 30s or older, come in to get or renew their licenses or registriations, with their mothers in tow. Often, the man had few (if any) proofs of address, and did not have their own checking accounts, because "everything is in Ma's name." I would guess that rosy's sov-cit twat is of the same low caliber.