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THE SAGA OF NESARA

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CONFESSIONS OF A FORMER WHITE HAT OPERATIVE - THE SAGA OF NESARA

April 27, 2012
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The Saga of NESARA – A Romanic Adventure of the White Knights

by Former White Hat

This was sent to the comments but I am moving to a post for many to read. It explains what is going on what Drake has been talking about, the military’s effort to restore the Constitutional USA (not the United States, Inc.), to arrest bankers and politicians for illegal acts against the people, the use of clones to thwart matters, one of the many reasons behind 9/11, and how the Priory of Dracos has been behind this…

History and True Story of NESARA

This change began in the mid 1970’s, when the Federal Land Bank illegally foreclosed on farmers mortgages all throughout the Midwest. In each of these cases the farmers were defrauded by the banks with the approval of the Federal Reserve System. These court cases would eventually become known as the farmer claims program.

In 1978 an elderly ranch farmer in Colorado purchased a farm with loan from the Federal Land Bank; after he died the property was passed on to his son Roy Schwasinger Jr., who was a retired military general. Soon after a Federal Land Bank officer and Federal Marshall appeared on his property and informed him the bank was foreclosing on his farm and to vacate within 30 days. Without his knowledge, his deceased father signed a stipulation which reverted the property back to the Federal Land Bank in the event of the borrower’s death.

Outraged, Roy Schwasinger filed a class action lawsuit in the Denver Federal Court system. But the case didn’t go very far and the suit was dismissed from filing incorrectly. This began Roy Schwasinger’s investigation into the inner workings of the banking system. In 1982 he was given a contract by the US senate and later Supreme Court to investigate banking fraud. But because he was under a strict non-disclosure order he was not allowed to tell the media what he discovered. In the late 80s he began sharing his knowledge with others including high ranking military personnel who helped him bring about a class action lawsuit against the federal government.

The first series of these lawsuits began in the mid 1980’s when William and Shirley Baskerville of Fort Collins, Colorado were involved in a bankruptcy case with First Interstate Bank of Fort Collins; who was trying to foreclose on their farm. At a restaurant their lawyer informed them that he would no longer be able to help them and walked-off. Overhearing the conversation Roy Schwasinger offered his advice on how to appeal the case in bankruptcy court. So in 1987 they filed an appeal (Case No. 87-C-716) with the United States District Court in Colorado.

On November 3, 1988, the Denver Federal Court system ruled that indeed the banks had defrauded the Baskervilles and proceeded to reverse its bankruptcy decision. But when the foreclosed property was not returned they filed a new lawsuit. Eventually, 23 other farmers, ranchers, and Indians swindled by the banks in the same manner would join in the case.

In these cases, the banks were foreclosing on the properties using fraudulent methods such as charging exorbitant interest, illegal foreclosure, or by not crediting mortgage payments to their account as they should have but instead would steal the mortgage payments for themselves triggering foreclosure on the property. After running out of money they continued their fight without the help of lawyers. With some assistance by the Farmers Union a new lawsuit was filed against the Federal Land Bank and the Farmers Credit System.

(1) Case No. 92-C-1781

The District Court ruled in their favor and ordered the banks to return the stolen properties with help from either Federal Marshals or the National Guard. But when no payments were made, the farmers declared involuntary Chapter Seven Bankruptcy against the Federal Land Bank and the Farmers Credit System. The banks appealed their case insisting they were not a business but a federal agency therefore they were not liable to pay the damages.

So the farmer’s legal team adopted a new strategy. According to the Federal Land Bank’s 1933 charter they are not allowed to make loans directly to applicants, but instead could only back loans as a guarantor in case of default. Because the Federal Land Bank had violated this rule the farmer’s legal team was able to successfully sue the bank for damages.

Word of the lawsuit began to spread; the legal team would teach others how to fight foreclosure and to help them file lawsuits as well (Case No. 93-1308-M). Celebrities such as Willie Nelson joined in the cause and helped raise money during his “Farm Aid” concerts. Here is short clip of Willie Nelson describing in his own words the series of events leading up to the farmer claims legal case……

The Baskerville case had now become the Farmer Claims Class Action Lawsuit. Worried about the legal ramifications the government retaliated against the farmers by hitting them with either outrageous IRS fees, or by imprisoning the legal team under frivolous nonrelated charges. When the farmers realized they were being unfairly targeted, they had military generals such as General Roy Schwasinger sit in the courtroom to make sure the bribed judges would vote according to constitutional law.

The farmers now with a large team of knowledgeable people of the law behind them filed a new case to claim additional damages from the fraudulent loaning activities of the Farmers Credit System.

The government tried to settle but they had already lost many cases and were now loosing the appeals as well. More and more evidence was collected. According to the National Banking Act all banks are required to register their charters with the Federal and State Bureau of Records, but none of the banks complied, allowing the legal team to sue the Farmers Credit System. Not only was Farmers Credit System not chartered to do business with the American Banking Association, but so were other quasi government organizations such as the Federal Housing Administration, The Department of Housing and Urban Development, and even the Federal Reserve Bank.

The Farmers Claims lawsuit was thrown out of court at each level with the records purposely destroyed. So in the early 1990’s Roy Schwasinger brought the case before the United States Supreme Court. Some of the content of this case is sealed from public eyes but most of it can be viewed today.

Almost (u-nan-ah-mous-ly) unanimously the U.S. Supreme Court Justices ruled that the Farmers Union claims were indeed VALID, therefore, all property foreclosed by the Farmers Credit System was illegal and all those who were foreclosed on would have to receive damages. In addition, they ruled that the U.S. federal government and banks had defrauded the farmers, and all U.S. citizens, out of vast sums of money and property.

And furthermore, the court ruled the shocking truth that the IRS was a Puerto Rican Trust and that the Federal Reserve was unlawful, that the income tax amendment was only ratified by four states and therefore was not a legal amendment, that the IRS code was not enacted into “Positive Law”* within the Code of Federal Regulations, and how the U.S. government illegally foreclosed on farmer’s homes with help from federal agencies.

[Wow! That must have been some strange case to get such a wide ruling! Too bad we can't read it, I bet the legal logic behind this scrawled a new chapter in jurisprudence.]

*Positive Law

Laws that have been enacted by a properly instituted and recognized branch of the government.

Irrefutable proof was presented by a retired CIA agent. He provided testimony and records of the banks illegal activities, to lead further evidence that the Farmers’ Union claims were indeed legitimate. The implications of such a decision were profound. All gold, silver, and property titles, taken by the Federal Reserve and IRS must be returned to the people.

The legal team sought assistance from a small group of benevolent visionaries, consisting of politicians, military generals, and business people who have been secretly working to restore the constitution since the mid 1950’s. Somehow within their ranks, a four star U.S. army general received “title” and “receiver” of the original 1933 United States Bankruptcy.

When the case was brought before the U.S. Supreme Court, they ruled in his favor, giving the Army General title over the United States, Inc. Legal action was then passed on to the Senate Finance Committee and Senator Sam Nunn, who was working with Roy Schwasinger. With the help of covert congressional and political pressure, President George H.W. Bush issued an Executive Order (a) on Oct. 23, 1991, which provided a provision allowing anyone who has a claim against the federal government to receive payment as long as it’s within the rules of the original format of the case.

(a) Executive Order No. 12778 Principles of Ethical Conduct for Government Officers and Employees; October 23, 1991

According to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, all present and succeeding debts against the U.S. Treasury must be assumed by the Federal Reserve. Thus the famer’s claims legal team was able to use that executive order to not only force the Federal Reserve to pay out damages in a gold backed currency but also allow them to receive legal ownership over the bankruptcy of United States, Inc.

To collect damages the farmers legal team used an obscure attachment to the 14th amendment which most people are not aware of. After the civil war the government allowed citizens to claim a payment on anyone who suffered damages as a result of the Federal Government failing to protect its citizens from harm or damages by a foreign government. President Grant had this attachment sealed from public eyes but somehow, someone the farmer’s legal team got a hold of it.

If you listened to that carefully, it specifies damages by a foreign government. That foreign government is the corporate federal government which has been masquerading to the public as the constitutional government. Remember this goes back to the Organic Act of 1871 and the Trading with the Enemies Act of 1933, which defined all citizens as enemy combatants under the federal system known as the United States. The Justices and farmer’s legal team recognized how evil and corrupt our federal government had become and to counteract this they added some provisions in the settlement to bring the government back under control.

a. First they would have to be paid using a lawful currency, backed by gold and silver as the constitution dictates. This would eliminate inflation and gyrating economic cycles created by the Federal Reserve System.

b. Second they would be required to go back to common law instead of admiralty law under the gold fringe flags. Under common law if there is no damage or harm done then there is no violation of the law. This would eliminate millions of laws which are used to control the masses and protect corrupt politicians.

c. Lastly the IRS would have to be dismantled and replaced with a national sales tax. This is the basis of the NESARA Law.

When the legal team finally settled on a figure, each individual would receive an average of $20 million dollars payout per claim. Multiplied by a total of 336,000 claims that were filed against the U.S. Federal Government, the total payout would come out to a staggering $6.6 trillion dollars.

The U.S. Supreme Court placed a gag order on the case, struck all information from the Federal Registry, and placed all records in the Supreme Court files. Up to that point Senator Sam Nunn had kept the Baskerville Case records within his office. A settlement was agreed to out of court and the decision was sealed by Janet Reno. Because the case was sealed, claimants are not allowed to share court documents to media outlets without violating the settlement, but they can still tell others about the lawsuit. This is why you probably have not heard about this.

In 1991 Roy Schwasinger went before a senate committee to present evidence of the banks and governments criminal activity. He informed them how the Corporation of the United States was tied to the establishment of a New World Order which would bring about a fascist one world government ruled by the international bankers. So in 1992 a task force was put together consisting of over 300 retired and 35 active US military officers who strongly supported constitutional law.* This task force was responsible for investigating governmental officials, congressional officers, judges, and the Federal Reserve.

*Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Jeremy Boorda
*General David McCloud
*Former Director of Central Intelligence, William Colby

They uncovered the common practice of bribery and extortion committed by both senators and judges. The criminal activity was so rampant that only 2 out of 535 members of congress were deemed honest. But more importantly they carried out the first ever audit of the Federal Reserve.

The Federal Reserve was used to giving orders to politicians and had no intentions of being audited. However after they were informed their offices would be raided under military gunpoint if necessary; they complied with the investigation. After reviewing their files the military officers found $800 trillion dollars sitting in accounts which should have been applied to the national debt. And contrary to federal government propaganda they also discovered that most nations had in fact owed money to the United States instead of the other way around.

These hidden trillions were then confiscated and placed into European bank accounts in order to generate the enormous funds needed to pay the farmers claims class action lawsuit, later this money would become the basis of the prosperity programs.

Despite these death blows President George H.W. Bush and the illuminati continued on with their plans of global enslavement.

In August 1992 the military officers confronted President Bush and demanded he sign agreement that he would return the United States to constitutional law and ordered him to never use the term New World Order again. Bush pretended to cooperate but secretly planned to bring about the New World Order anyway by signing an Executive Order on December 25, 1992, that would have indefinitely closed all banks giving Bush an excuse to declare martial law.

Under the chaos of martial law, Bush intended to install a new constitution which would have kept everyone currently in office in their same position for 25 years and it would have removed all rights to elect new officials. The military intervened and stopped Bush from signing that Executive order.

In 1993 members of the Supreme Court, certain members of congress and representatives from the Clinton government meet with high ranking US military officers who were demanding a return to constitutional law, reforms of the banking system, and financial redress. They agreed to create the farm claims process which would allow the legal team to set up meetings all over the country on a grass roots level to help others file claims and to educate them about the lawsuit.

A claim of harm could be made on any loan issued by a financial institution for all interest paid; foreclosures; attorney and court fees; IRS taxes or liens; real estate and property taxes; mental and emotional stress caused by the loss of property; stress related illness such as suicide and divorce; and even warrants, incarceration, and probation could also be claimed.

But the Clinton government undermined their efforts by requiring the farm claims to use a specific form designed by the government. This form imposed an administrative fee of $300 for each claim, which was later used in 1994 as a basis to arrest the leaders of the legal team including Roy Schwasinger.

[The ol' "Clinton made me do it" defense. Roy didn't want those $300 payments, he was forced to accept them so that later the government could claim he was a con artist and put him in jail. Are the Illuminati clever or what?]

The government was so afraid of what they would say during their trial in Michigan that extra steps were taken to conceal the true nature of the case. County courthouse employees were not allowed to work between Monday and Thursday during the course of the trial. And outside the courthouse, FBI agents swarmed the perimeter preventing the media and visitors from learning what was going on as well.

Harassment and retaliation by the government increased, many where sent prison or murdered while incarcerated. Despite being protected by his military personnel the army general who acquired the original 1933 Title of Bankruptcy of the United States; was imprisoned, killed, and replaced with a clone. This clone was then used as a decoy to prevent any further claims from being filed.

During the first Clinton administration the military delayed many of Clinton’s federal appointments until they were sure these individuals would help restore constitutional law. One such individual who promised to bring about the necessary changes was Attorney General Janet Reno.

In agreement with the Supreme Court ruling on June 3, 1993, Janet Reno ordered the Delta Force and Navy Seals to Switzerland, England, and Israel to recapture trillions of dollars of gold stolen by the Federal Reserve System from the strategic gold reserves. These nations cooperated with the raid because they were promised their debts owed to the United States would be canceled and because the people who stole the money from the United States also stole money from their nations as well.

This bullion is to be used for the new currency backed by precious metals. It’s now safely stockpiled at the Norad Complex at Colorado Springs, Colorado and four other repositories. Janet Reno’s action so enraged the powers-that-be, that it resulted in her death. She was then replaced with a clone and it was this creature that was responsible for covering-up the various Clinton scandals.

To keep the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury Robert Rubin in line, he too was also cloned. For the remainder of their term in office both Reno and Rubin received their salaries from the International Monetary Fund as foreign agents and not from the U.S. Treasury. Despite these actions the legal team continued on with their fight while managing to avoid bloodshed and a major revolution.

After 1993 the farmer claims process name was changed to Bank Claims. Between 1993 and 1996, the U.S. Supreme Court required U.S. citizens to file “Bank Claims” to collect damages paid by the U.S. Treasury Department. This process CLOSED in 1996.

During this time the U.S. Supreme Court assigned one or more Justices to monitor the progress of the rulings. They enlisted help of experts in economics, monetary systems, banking, constitutional government and law, and many other related areas. These justices built coalitions of support and assistance with thousands of people worldwide; known as ‘White Knights”. The term ‘White Knights’ was borrowed from the world of big business. It refers to a vulnerable company that is rescued by a corporation or a wealthy person from a hostile takeover.

To implement the required changes, the five Justices spent years negotiating how the reformations would occur. Eventually they settled on certain agreements, also known as ‘Accords’, with the U.S. government, the Federal Reserve Bank owners, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and with numerous other countries including the United Kingdom and countries of the Euro Zone. Because these U.S. banking reformations will impact the entire world; the IMF, World Bank, and other countries had to be involved. The reformations require that the Federal Reserve be absorbed by the U.S. Treasury Department and the banks’ fraudulent activities must be stopped and payment must be made for past harm.

In 1998, the military generals who originally participated in the famer’s claim process realized that the US Supreme Court justices had no intentions of implementing the ‘Accords.’ So they decided the only way to implement the reformations was through a law passed by congress. In 1999 a 75 page document known as the National Economic Security and Reformation Act (NESARA) was submitted to congress where it sat with little action for almost a year.

Late one evening on March 9, 2000, a written quorum call was hand-delivered by Delta Force and Navy SEALs to 15 members of the US Senate and the US House who were sponsors and co-sponsors of NESARA. They were immediately escorted by the Delta Force and Navy SEALs to their respective voting chambers where they passed the National Economic Security and Reformation Act.

These 15 members of congress were the only people lawfully allowed to hold office in accordance with the original 13th amendment.
Remember British soldiers destroyed copies of the Titles of Nobility Amendment (TONA) in the war of 1812 because it prevented anyone who had ties to the crown of England from holding public office.

NESARA is the most ground breaking reformation to sweep not only this country but our planet in its entire history. The act does away with the Federal Reserve Bank, the IRS, the shadow government, and much more.

NESARA implements the following changes:

1. Zeros out all credit card, mortgage, and other bank debt due to illegal banking and government activities. This is the Federal Reserve’s worst nightmare, a “jubilee” or a forgiveness of debt.

2. Abolishes the income tax

3. Abolishes the IRS. Employees of the IRS will be transferred into the US Treasury national sales tax area.

4. Creates a 14% flat rate non-essential ‘new items only’ sales tax revenue for the government. In other words food and medicine will not be taxed; nor will used items such as old homes.

5. Increases benefits to senior citizens

6. Returns Constitutional Law to all courts and legal matters.

7. Reinstates the original Title of Nobility amendment. Hundreds of thousands of Americans under the control of foreign powers will lose their citizenship, be deported to other countries, and barred from reentry for the remainder of their life. And millions of people will soon discover their college degrees are now worthless paper.

8. Establishes new Presidential and Congressional elections within 120 days after NESARA’s announcement. The intern government will cancel all “National Emergencies” and return us back to constitutional law.

9. Monitors elections and prevents illegal election activities of special interest groups.

10. Creates a new U.S. Treasury, ‘rainbow currency,’ backed by gold, silver, and platinum precious metals, ending the bankruptcy of the United States initiated by Franklin Roosevelt in 1933.

11. Forbids the sale of American birth certificate records as chattel property bonds by the US Department of Transportation.

12. Initiates new U.S. Treasury Bank System in alignment with Constitutional Law

13. Eliminates the Federal Reserve System. During the transition period the Federal Reserve will be allowed to operate side by side of the U.S. treasury for one year in order to remove all Federal Reserve notes from the money supply.

14. Restores financial privacy

15. Retrains all judges and attorneys in Constitutional Law

16. Ceases all aggressive, U.S. government military actions worldwide

17. Establishes peace throughout the world

18. Releases enormous sums of money for humanitarian purposes

19. Enables the release of over 6,000 patents of suppressed technologies that are being withheld from the public under the guise of national security, including free energy devices, antigravity, and sonic healing machines.

Because President Clinton’s clone had no interest in signing NESARA into law on October 10, 2000; under orders from U.S. military generals the elite Naval Seals and Delta Force stormed the White House and under gunpoint forced Bill Clinton to sign NESARA. During this time Secret Service and White House security personnel were ordered to stand down, disarmed, and allowed to witness this event under a gag order.

From its very inception Bush Sr., the corporate government, major bank houses, and the Carlyle group have opposed NESARA. To maintain secrecy, the case details and the docket number were sealed and revised within the official congressional registry, to reflect a commemorative coin and then again it was revised even more recently. This is why there are no public Congressional Records and why a search for this law will not yield the correct details until after the reformations are made public.

You probably never heard of this law due to an extremely strict gag order placed upon politicians, media personnel, and bank officers. Even though Alex Jones or Ron Paul will not tell you about it, the law is still valid.


And members of congress will not tell us any of this because they have been ordered by the U.S. Supreme Court Justices to ‘deny’ the existence of NESARA or face charges of treason punishable by death. Some members of Congress have actually been charged with ‘obstruction.’ When Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone was about to break the gag order, but before he could, his small passenger plane crashed killing his wife, daughter, and himself.

If fear isn’t enough to keep congress in line, money is. The CIA routinely bribes senators with stolen loot from the bank roll programs. Every senator has been bribed with a minimum of $200 million dollars deposited in a Bank of America account in Canada. You will never hear the media networks report about NESARA. To maintain silence, major news networks such as CNN are paid in the tune of $2 billion dollars annually. Some of this loot is funneled by the Mormon Church in Utah through Senator Orin Hatch’s office and Bank of America.

Not only is congress bribed but the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff and upper tier of the government including the president receives these payments as well. Only the Provost Marshall has the lawful authority to arrest these individuals, but sadly he won’t do his job either. It seems the United State military is full of pencil pushing politicians who care more about advancement then doing their job.

And not surprisingly, much disinformation about NESARA can be found on the internet. Prominent nay-sayers include quatloos.com, which is rumored to be a CIA front; nesara.org which is maintained by the Bush family; Sherry Shriner; and various Internet channelers receiving their messages from telepathic spooks have all contributed to the confusion.

Even the information on Wikipedia is in error. Wikipedia gives you the history of CIA agent Harvey Barnard’s NESARA law. If you look closely, this law stands for National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act, which would have made reforms to the economy and replace the income tax with a national sales tax. This law was rejected by congress in the 1990’s. But there is little mention of the National Economic Security and Reformation Act on Wikipedia or its ramifications.

September 11, 2001

The next step is to announce NESARA to the world, but it’s not an easy task to do. Many powerful groups have tried to prevent the implementation of NESARA.


The NESARA law requires that at least once a year, an effort be made to announce the law to the public. Three current US Supreme Court judges control the committee in charge of NESARA’s announcement. These Judges have used their overall authority to secretly sabotage NESARA’s announcement.

In 2001 after much negotiation the Supreme Court justices ordered the current Congress to pass resolutions ‘approving’ NESARA. This took place on September 9, 2001, eighteen months after NESARA became law. On September 10, 2001, George Bush Sr. moved into the White house to steer his son on how to block the announcement. The next day, on September 11, 2001, at 10 am Eastern Daylight Time, Alan Greenspan was scheduled to announce the new US Treasury Bank system, debt forgiveness for all U.S. citizens, and abolishment of the IRS as the first part of the public announcements of NESARA.

Just before the announcement at 9 am, Bush Sr. ordered the demolition of World Trade Center to stop the international banking computers on floors one and two, in the North Tower from initiating the new U.S. Treasury Bank system. Explosives in the World Trade Center were planted by both CIA and Mossad operatives and detonated remotely in Building 7 which was demolished later that day in order to cover-up their crime.

Remote pilot technology was used in a flyover event to deliver a payload of explosives into the Pentagon at the exact location of the White Knights in their new Naval Command Center who were coordinating activities supporting NESARA’s implementation nationwide. With the announcement of NESARA stopped dead in its tracks, George Bush Sr. decapitated any hopes of returning the government back to the people.

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So many blatant Constitutional Law fallacies, easily refuted by anyone caring to actually READ the Constitution; so little time to set forth and refute each one.
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Constitutional Law ans litigation in Fantasyland! This reads like the first draft of a really, really bad Saturday Night Live skit.
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What! Nothing about the Priory of Dracos?
That's the top secret stuff so amazing it's hard for most civilians to fathom.
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LaVidaRoja wrote:Constitutional Law ans litigation in Fantasyland! This reads like the first draft of a really, really bad Saturday Night Live skit.
...or a really, really good acid trip...
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Pottapaug1938 wrote:So many blatant Constitutional Law fallacies, easily refuted by anyone caring to actually READ the Constitution; so little time to set forth and refute each one.
Not to mention the logical fallacies. The generals (military junta?) are powerful enough to storm the White House and force the President in the world to sign a bill at gunpoint. But at the same time, when the next President blows up the WTC and kills thousands to stop the bill from becoming law, it's all "Duuuh, should we, like do something".

By the way, what's this talk about Quatloos beeing a CIA-front? It's still the other way around, right? Or was that the Peoples Front of Judea?
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Prominent nay-sayers include quatloos.com, which is rumored to be a CIA front
Rumored to be? I thought it was an incontrovertible fact that Quatloos is a CIA front. See how these NESARAites disparage us by implying it is just a rumor.

We really need a bumper sticker that says: "Quatloos: Bravely Fronting For The CIA Since 2001."
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To maintain silence, major news networks such as CNN are paid in the tune of $2 billion dollars annually.
I am Barrister Shand Graham. I am representing a major news network in Lagos, Nigeria. If my client is not to publish about NESARA please send $990,000,000 by Western Union.
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Thule wrote:
Pottapaug1938 wrote:So many blatant Constitutional Law fallacies, easily refuted by anyone caring to actually READ the Constitution; so little time to set forth and refute each one.
Not to mention the logical fallacies. The generals (military junta?) are powerful enough to storm the White House and force the President in the world to sign a bill at gunpoint. But at the same time, when the next President blows up the WTC and kills thousands to stop the bill from becoming law, it's all "Duuuh, should we, like do something".

By the way, what's this talk about Quatloos beeing a CIA-front? It's still the other way around, right? Or was that the Peoples Front of Judea?
To the list of logical fallacies, add the one about elite combat troops (Delta Force, SEALs) being used as process servers and policemen....
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Pottapaug1938 wrote:So many blatant Constitutional Law fallacies, easily refuted by anyone caring to actually READ the Constitution; so little time to set forth and refute each one.
I like how military and officials who “strongly supported constitutional law” later “stormed the White House and under gunpoint forced Bill Clinton to sign NESARA.” Must be permitted under some part of the constitution I’m not familiar with.
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What! Nothing about the Priory of Dracos?
That's the top secret stuff so amazing it's hard for most civilians to fathom.
I have researched this and the Priory of Dracos is a monastery of Carmelite nuns in Dracos Switzerland. Being women under religious vows, I had only briefly thought they might be shape shifting aliens - until I read on Wikipedia they were now headed by a Prioress named Sister Reptilia St. Shapeshifter. Come to think of it, there were stories of mysteriously missing mendicant friars and Carthusians who stayed at the Priory and woke the next morning to find their carthuses gone. If any of you Earthwomen out there want to take the vows and put on the habit, it might be wise to avoid this place, 'cause once they've had human flesh, nothing else satisfies.
Gregg wrote:...or a really, really good acid trip...
I'm sorry you never had a better acid trip than something like what's described here.
Thule wrote:Not to mention the logical fallacies. The generals (military junta?) are powerful enough to storm the White House and force the President in the world to sign a bill at gunpoint. But at the same time, when the next President blows up the WTC and kills thousands to stop the bill from becoming law, it's all "Duuuh, should we, like do something".

By the way, what's this talk about Quatloos beeing a CIA-front? It's still the other way around, right? Or was that the Peoples Front of Judea?
Actually, the Junta was prevented by a gag order from taking action in the later case, but they were free to do what they would in the first. As for the talk about Quatloos being a CIA front, I wouldn't talk about it if I were you.
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Rumored to be? I thought it was an incontrovertible fact that Quatloos is a CIA front. See how these NESARAites disparage us by implying it is just a rumor.

We really need a bumper sticker that says: "Quatloos: Bravely Fronting For The CIA Since 2001."
Bumper sticker? Naw, if we reveal this to the world we'd have to kill them, then who would we have to do evil to? As for us being a CIA front, the CIA is really a front for the New World Order, which is a front for the Illuminati, which is a front for the Church of Satan, which is a front for the Hollywood Elite. See how deep the rabbit hole goes?
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Deep Knight wrote:
Pottapaug1938 wrote:So many blatant Constitutional Law fallacies, easily refuted by anyone caring to actually READ the Constitution; so little time to set forth and refute each one.
I like how military and officials who “strongly supported constitutional law” later “stormed the White House and under gunpoint forced Bill Clinton to sign NESARA.” Must be permitted under some part of the constitution I’m not familiar with.

Just look in Article VIII -- the secret article, added by the real Eleventh Amendment, enacted into law in 1789 but immediately placed under a gag order by the Supreme Court, with the sole penalty for violation being death (Ultra-High Treason, y'know). This article provides that when a group of citizens don't get their way when it comes to running the country, they can stage a coup d'etat, as long as the military forces involved are not wearing or flying a flag fringed with gold.

This article was proposed by Patrick Henry; so when you hear the song "I'm Henry the Eighth, I am" being sung or played, you know that the person responsible is In On The Secret.
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For the last time, Quatloos.com is NOT a CIA Front.

The CIA is a Quatloos.com front.

Y'all need to read your e-mails more carefully.
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Pottapaug1938 wrote:Just look in Article VIII -- the secret article, added by the real Eleventh Amendment, enacted into law in 1789 but immediately placed under a gag order by the Supreme Court, with the sole penalty for violation being death (Ultra-High Treason, y'know). This article provides that when a group of citizens don't get their way when it comes to running the country, they can stage a coup d'etat, as long as the military forces involved are not wearing or flying a flag fringed with gold.

This article was proposed by Patrick Henry; so when you hear the song "I'm Henry the Eighth, I am" being sung or played, you know that the person responsible is In On The Secret.
As long as the military forces involved are part of the United States of America and not USA Inc. or any other color-of-law illegal corporonational entity and not wearing or flying a flag fringed with gold. Patrick Henry WAS the original author, but after Patrick H. (for Henry) Bellringer used the name the requirement for standing during the song was dropped. By the way, I knew the widow next door, and after a torrid affair with me (Henry wasn't cutting the mustard) she would have a Willie or a Sam.
Gregg wrote:For the last time, Quatloos.com is NOT a CIA Front.

The CIA is a Quatloos.com front.

Y'all need to read your e-mails more carefully.
You corporate types are all alike. Well us guys in the trenches who do all the work don't have time to sit in fancy offices reading e-mails. We're thwarting worldwide prosperity, light, peace, and love 24/7 and busting our balls to see that evil prevails and good goes down in flames. All this corporate re-organization stuff is noise to us anyway - no matter what the name of the door the horror and misery we bring to ordinary people's lives is the same. We do it because we have a dream, a dream of a world less fair, lives more squalid, with servitude and injustice for all. Except us, and we also get busty blondes on both arms. That's what keeps me going, not those boring company meetings I always skip.
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Yes yes yes, I get it, "you're not in the field, you don't know what it's like to oppress the masses up close and personal"

Heard it all before. Now get back to work. And you had better hope that those packies don't get delivered this weekend!
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Speaking of which. The signup sheet for the annual company picnic is posten on the bulletin board in the Totally Inconspicuous House. And the Perfectly Ordinary Van will be unavailable on Monday due to service.
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Thule wrote:Speaking of which. The signup sheet for the annual company picnic is posten on the bulletin board in the Totally Inconspicuous House. And the Perfectly Ordinary Van will be unavailable on Monday due to service.

Woooo! You gotta love the May Day picnic, what with the May pole, sack race, Human Sacrifice to Satan, and BBQ! See Ya There!

Comments from the original posting.


COMMENTS

From: Bellringer
Subject: Re: Different NESARA
Date: Friday, April 27, 2012, 7:15 AM

Dear MH:

I wanted to thank you for all the important information you find and send to us that would not be seen generally by the public at large. May you be greatly blessed for your efforts to present Truth to the world.

Thank you!

In Love and Light
Patrick H. Bellringer

(Reply)
----- Original Message -----
From: MH
To: Bellringer
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Different NESARA

Patrick:

Thank you Very Very Much, really makes me feel good that I've been able to help.

This Former White Hat blog has some very strange write-ups that are Very questionable, your word, discernment needed. You would know if this NESARA write-up which adds the clone situation is accurate. But I had thought the bullion was removed/stolen from NORAD (remember that was per Saint Germain, I sent you that write-up) and Casper was watching the other stolen money when Obama tried to hide it in NORAD.

Living in Colorado Springs where NORAD is I personally witnessed at night, flying very near over/towards my house, a military plane blocked by a round disc UFO, during that time. I'm not in the flight path area. This was during the time Casper was reporting watching NORAD where Obama had the stolen money taken to. I'm in the middle of the city but East side, near the top of a small mountain, higher point, and saw the military plane coming from the NORAD direction towards over my house. Then I saw a round disc shape UFO come down from no where, very fast, blocked the military plane and forced it to turn around. When the plane turned the UFO disc was gone in about 1 second. It had no sound and stopped mid air, in front of the plane, then would jet forward towards the military plane then reverse back, did this about 3 times, until the military plane turned around. When I saw this I thought they were trying to take off with the money Casper was watching.

Thank you for everything you do.
Love, MH

(Response)
FROM: Patrick H. Bellringer
TO: MH
DATE: April 27, 2012
SUBJECT: Reply

Dear MH:

I find no real problem with this "Confessions of a Former White Hat Operative" article. He is accurate about Janet Reno and Bill Clinton being clones. The clone of Reno ordered the WACO tragedy. Clinton was clone number 21 when he left office.

The people's gold remains in the NORAD Complex in Colorado under guard of Delta Force. There are many messages claiming to be from Germain, but are not. Violinio Germain says he has very few contacts with people, who truly receive his messages. This gold is held under the World Trust, and Germain would never allow it to be stolen.

In Love and Light,
Patrick H. Bellringer

And then there's this fallout from the posting.

QUESTION AND ANSWER CONCERNING THE CREDIBILITY OF NESARA
Patrick H. Bellringer

Original Message
From: WM
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 12:02 AM
Subject: Does this apply to http://www.foulwinds10.net/

Patrick,

In the information contained on your http://www.foulwinds10 page, it is stated, in part, that "Because President Clinton’s clone had no interest in signing NESARA into law on October 10, 2000; under orders from U.S. military generals the elite Naval Seals and Delta Force stormed the White House and under gunpoint forced Bill Clinton to sign NESARA." If, per signing-under-duress-when-does-it-render-a-contract-void , & others, the use of force in obtaining a signature is considered extortion, and renders the signature/document void, does this principle also apply to the act of forcing "Bill Clinton" to sign NESARA ???

Thanks

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FROM: Patrick H. Bellringer
TO: WM
DATE: April 28, 2012
SUBJECT: Reply

Dear WM:

Thank you for your question concerning Bill Clinton signing NESARA under duress.

If you understand the true history of the American Republic, you should know that all presidents beginning with, and including Lincoln, have committed treason by defying the true Constitution of the Republic. Lincoln avoided Congressional action and began the first executive orders. Gradually, Constitutional law was eroded, until Roosevelt placed the Corporate U.S. Government on top of the Constitutional government, removed gold standard banking and brought in Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) law. No action by any president has been lawful under constitutional or common law since then.

The Corporate U.S. Congress did not pass NESARA. Only the fifteen members, who did not hold foreign titles of nobility, as prescribed by the 13th Amendment, in other words who were not attorneys, doctors, clergymen, etc., were allowed to vote on NESARA. Only these fifteen could lawfully vote under the Constitution of the Republic, because only they represented the "true Congress".

Bill Clinton was the executive head or president of the U.S. Corporation/Government at that time, and would never agree to sign any legislation not supporting the U.S. Corporation. In fact by signing NESARA Clinton would be removing himself and the Corporate U.S. Government from power. To my knowledge to be lawful the occupant of the office of "president" had to sign NESARA. Thus, he was "persuaded" to do so.

The Corporate system retaliated immediately by purging the Federal Registry of NESARA, moving all NESARA records to the U.S. Supreme Court files and have the court place a gag order on all NESARA information.


Because I am not an authority on law, I do not know what else may have bearing on your question. I do know that the NESARA legislation is totally credible, valid and lawful under the Constitution of the Republic to restore balance not only to America, but to the nations of our world.

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If Bellringer is not "an authority on the law", then just how the hell does he presume to be such an expert on the "true Constitution" and other such hogwash?
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Pottapaug1938 wrote:If Bellringer is not "an authority on the law", then just how the hell does he presume to be such an expert on the "true Constitution" and other such hogwash?
Much like the "I don't know art but I know what I like" socialite, Bellringer is a "I don't know law, but I know what I like" constitutional activist. So, if he doesn't like something, it's unconstitutional, but if he does, then it's constitutional law. If the Supreme Court would only adopt this simple rule they could take care of the backlog of cases in a few days.
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Deep Knight wrote:
Pottapaug1938 wrote:If Bellringer is not "an authority on the law", then just how the hell does he presume to be such an expert on the "true Constitution" and other such hogwash?
Much like the "I don't know art but I know what I like" socialite, Bellringer is a "I don't know law, but I know what I like" constitutional activist. So, if he doesn't like something, it's unconstitutional, but if he does, then it's constitutional law. If the Supreme Court would only adopt this simple rule they could take care of the backlog of cases in a few days.
Bellringer's assertion reminds me of something I read in the opinion on Scott F. Wnuck's tax denier case (that's the one in which the court explained whey they do not normally waste time trying to rebut frivolous TD arguments). Wnuck, too, stated that he is not trained in the law; and the Court correctly guessed that he made this statement in the hope that the court would treat his TD fantasies with greater care because he made this claim.

In other words, another TD "magic word phrase" goes down to ignominious ruin, again.
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Pottapaug1938 wrote:Bellringer's assertion reminds me of something I read in the opinion on Scott F. Wnuck's tax denier case (that's the one in which the court explained whey they do not normally waste time trying to rebut frivolous TD arguments). Wnuck, too, stated that he is not trained in the law; and the Court correctly guessed that he made this statement in the hope that the court would treat his TD fantasies with greater care because he made this claim.

In other words, another TD "magic word phrase" goes down to ignominious ruin, again.
I like this part

Discussion

I. Why we usually decline to refute frivolous anti-tax arguments

The reasons that courts decline “to refute these [frivolous]
arguments with somber reasoning and copious citation of
precedent”, Crain v. Commissioner, 737 F.2d at 1417, include the
following.

A. The number of potential frivolous anti-tax arguments is unlimited.

If one is genuinely seeking the truth, if he focuses on what
is relevant, and if he confines himself to good sense and logic,
then the number of serious arguments he can make on a given point
is limited. However, if one is already committed to a position
regardless of its truth, if he is willing to say anything, if he
is willing to ignore relevance, good sense, and logic, and if he
is simply looking for subjects and predicates to put together
into sentences in ostensible support of a given point, then the
number of frivolous arguments that he can make on that point is
effectively limitless. When each frivolous argument is answered,
there is always another, as long as there are words to be
uttered. Such arguments are without number. Consequently, a
Court that decides cases brought by persons willing to make
frivolous arguments--such as “tax protesters” or “tax defiers”
would by definition never be finished with the task of answering
those frivolous arguments.

B. A frivolous anti-tax argument may be unimportant even to its proponent.

Experience shows that a given frivolous argument may have
little actual importance to the person making it. Frivolous
anti-tax arguments are often obviously downloaded from the
Internet; and by cut-and-paste word processing functions, these
arguments are easily plunked into a party’s filing. In other
instances a promoter of frivolous anti-tax arguments is feeding
those arguments to a litigant who adopts them uncritically and
submits them to the Court. For all a court can tell, the
litigant may not even have carefully read the arguments he
submits.
Petitioners who make frivolous anti-tax arguments are
sometimes intelligent people, but they tend to show great
ignorance about the legal matters they argue. Tax defiers have
learned to admit to the Court (as Mr. Wnuck did) that they have
no legal background or training. The admission is often
manifestly true. However, this admission is evidently made only
to induce the Court to be lenient in overlooking the pro se
litigant’s procedural lapses and to incline the Court to be
liberal in construing his pleadings. The admission of ignorance
does not indicate a willingness to accept information from
someone who does have that background and training in tax law.
The frivolous argument, made from this position of witting
and willful ignorance, seems to be merely an incidental ornament
that adorns an article of faith--namely, the belief that I don’t
owe taxes. The tax defier firmly holds that postulate above and
apart from any arguments. Anything in favor of that postulate
may be advanced, no matter how silly; anything against it can be
ignored. If a given frivolous argument is decisively rebutted,
then it may or may not be retired; but even if the individual
argument is retired, the cause is not abandoned. Thus, the
specific argument hardly matters even to the litigant.
Consequently, the value of answering frivolous anti-tax
arguments--even the subjective value to the individual litigant--
is often doubtful.

C. Many frivolous anti-tax arguments have already been answered.

This Court and other courts have addressed and rejected many
of the recurring frivolous anti-tax arguments, including (as is
especially pertinent here) the general argument that wages are
not subject to the income tax and the particular argument that
the income tax does not apply to wages earned within the
50 States. Moreover, the IRS publishes and occasionally updates
“The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments”, a compendium of
frivolous positions and the caselaw refuting them. That paper
collects caselaw showing--contrary to Mr. Wnuck’s argument--that
wages are indeed subject to the income tax, at 13-18, and that
the income tax does indeed apply within the 50 States, at 26-28.
Anyone with the inclination to do legal research relevant to the
validity of the income tax as applied to wages--even mere
research with an Internet search engine--will confront such
authorities.
Consequently, it is doubtful whether tax jurisprudence will
be much advanced by issuing yet another opinion affirming the
obvious truisms about tax law and refuting Mr. Wnuck’s already
soundly refuted contentions.

D. The litigant who presses the frivolous anti-tax argument often fails to hear its refutation.

With some happy exceptions, the refutation of a frivolous
anti-tax argument often seems to fall on deaf ears, and the
litigant persists in making the same doomed argument. Sometimes
this is because the litigant, though evidently aware of the
reasons that courts have rejected the argument, is simply
stubborn. Sometimes this is because the litigant seems not to
understand either his argument or its refutation. And sometimes
the reason for the litigant’s behavior remains a mystery.
For example, at trial Mr. Wnuck made his argument, discussed
below, that “includes” (in the definition of “United States” in
section 3121(e)(2)) means “includes only”. The Court addressed
Mr. Wnuck directly and explained, “the definition that you rely
on to make that point is not an income tax provision. It’s an
employment tax provision that really doesn’t apply to your 1040
income tax return.” (Tr. 65.) This point evidently did not sink
in, because Mr. Wnuck repeats the argument in his motion for
reconsideration. He does not attempt to correct the Court’s
point and explain why he thinks that the provision is an income
tax provision; he simply repeats the argument.
Consequently, when a litigant is willing in the first
instance to take a position that is frivolous, the chances are
good that he will be unmoved by explanations of why his position
is frivolous. A court that undertakes such explanations is often
wasting its time. We now nonetheless make that undertaking here,
regretful that Mr. Wnuck may not heed the explanation, in order
to illustrate what such an undertaking requires.
...

H. Addressing frivolous anti-tax arguments risks dignifying them.

The oft-cited opinion in Crain v. Commissioner, 737 F.2d at
1417, observes that one reason not to refute frivolous arguments
is that “to do so might suggest that these arguments have some
colorable merit.” The observation is certainly valid. It is
this Court’s experience that taxpayers who take frivolous
positions often have learned those positions from self-appointed
anti-tax gurus with prepackaged pseudo-legal arguments that
include inapposite citations from such sources as the Federal
Register, inapplicable State and Federal statutes, court opinions
taken out of context, and the Internal Revenue Manual (IRM).
Some taxpayers seem to understand their frivolous arguments
imperfectly, if at all, and seem not to understand the nature of
the authorities they cite.13 If, as it seems, such a taxpayer
has been persuaded of these positions by the mere presence of
legalese, then it is entirely possible (as Crain anticipated)
that a serious discussion of a frivolous position will seem to
him to confer respectability on that position.
For example, when we take five paragraphs (in part I.E.2
above) to explain why 27 C.F.R. section 70.42(b)(1) has no effect
on the validity of an income tax SFR, we incur a risk: A legally
unsophisticated taxpayer may wrongly infer that, if it took that
much reasoning and writing to defeat the argument, then the
argument must have had something going for it. The inference
would be wrong, of course. Mr. Wnuck’s 27 C.F.R. argument is
hardly a legal argument at all; and all that is there is
manifestly wrong for multiple reasons. But since the actual
substance of the frivolous anti-tax issue often seems to elude
the litigant, and since all that affects him is the superficial
appearance of legal matter, an explanation of why his argument is
wrong may even be counter-productive. Perversely, the
seriousness of the refutation becomes, in his mind, imputed to
the frivolous argument itself. This is sometimes a good reason
not to address frivolous arguments.

There is thus little advantage to be gained by addressing
frivolous arguments, and there are disadvantages that may accrue
from doing so. For that reason, litigants who present frivolous
arguments should not expect to see them answered in opinions of
this Court.
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