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Ed and Elaine have to be feeling real stupid right about now. Too bad they didn't start feeling stupid years ago.
I am not suprised that this is how the arrests went down. I bet the marshals had been present before at the concerts and such as "undercover" supporters; they most likely conditioned the Browns over time to accept them as the militia nuts they thought them to be.
I am not suprised that this is how the arrests went down. I bet the marshals had been present before at the concerts and such as "undercover" supporters; they most likely conditioned the Browns over time to accept them as the militia nuts they thought them to be.
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So U.S. Marshals are like vampires, and have to be invited in?The undercover officers were invited in by the Browns on Thursday evening, and before the couple realized they weren't supporters, they were already under arrest.
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Monier is kind of pale...LPC wrote:So U.S. Marshals are like vampires, and have to be invited in?The undercover officers were invited in by the Browns on Thursday evening, and before the couple realized they weren't supporters, they were already under arrest.
And the take down did occur after dark (7:45 pm)...
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Marshals Posed As Supporters To Arrest Browns
Couple Arrested AFter Lengthy Standoff In Plainfield Home
POSTED: 11:32 pm EDT October 4, 2007
UPDATED: 10:50 am EDT October 5, 2007
PLAINFIELD, N.H. -- U.S. marshals posing as supporters carried out the arrests of tax evaders Ed and Elaine Brown, officials said Friday.
The undercover officers were invited in by the Browns on Thursday evening, and before the couple realized they weren't supporters, they were already under arrest.
"Ultimately, this open-door policy that they seemed to have which allowed the Browns to have some supporters bring them supplies, welcome followers and even host a picnic --this proved to be their undoing," U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier said. "They invited us in. We escorted them out."
The Browns have been in a standoff with authorities since their sentencing in April on tax evasion charges. They insisted that there's no law forcing them to pay taxes and refused to surrender -- saying they would not come out alive.
Monier said that the Browns were arrested at about 7:45 p.m. The Browns were the only ones inside the house.
During a security sweep of the house, numerous weapons, ammunition and explosive devices were found, Monier said. There were also "booby traps" found on the property, and Monier said it is an active crime scene.
"We had no indication that the Browns intended to voluntarily surrender, so we had to move forward with an operation that promised the safest possible outcome. That day was today," Monier said in a news release Thursday.
Monier said that officials have seen no trouble from other supporters of the Browns, but he warned that anyone who thinks about getting involved or helping them now could face charges.
The Browns will likely face additional charges related to the weapons found in the house, Monier said.
Expert observers had praised the authorities' hands-off approach, but patience wore thin for Plainfield's 2,400 residents. During the summer, town selectmen asked Monier to stop the influx of militiamen and other anti-government groups to the Browns' home and to bring the couple to justice. But some supporters lost favor with the Browns.
Last month, authorities arrested four men accused of helping obstruct justice in the Browns' case. Charges ranged from accessory after the fact to possession and use of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence. Authorities also blocked access to a fundraising event on the Browns' property.
Monier said in the news release that since those arrests, "there had been a dip in the number of visitors to the house."
Couple Arrested AFter Lengthy Standoff In Plainfield Home
POSTED: 11:32 pm EDT October 4, 2007
UPDATED: 10:50 am EDT October 5, 2007
PLAINFIELD, N.H. -- U.S. marshals posing as supporters carried out the arrests of tax evaders Ed and Elaine Brown, officials said Friday.
The undercover officers were invited in by the Browns on Thursday evening, and before the couple realized they weren't supporters, they were already under arrest.
"Ultimately, this open-door policy that they seemed to have which allowed the Browns to have some supporters bring them supplies, welcome followers and even host a picnic --this proved to be their undoing," U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier said. "They invited us in. We escorted them out."
The Browns have been in a standoff with authorities since their sentencing in April on tax evasion charges. They insisted that there's no law forcing them to pay taxes and refused to surrender -- saying they would not come out alive.
Monier said that the Browns were arrested at about 7:45 p.m. The Browns were the only ones inside the house.
During a security sweep of the house, numerous weapons, ammunition and explosive devices were found, Monier said. There were also "booby traps" found on the property, and Monier said it is an active crime scene.
"We had no indication that the Browns intended to voluntarily surrender, so we had to move forward with an operation that promised the safest possible outcome. That day was today," Monier said in a news release Thursday.
Monier said that officials have seen no trouble from other supporters of the Browns, but he warned that anyone who thinks about getting involved or helping them now could face charges.
The Browns will likely face additional charges related to the weapons found in the house, Monier said.
Expert observers had praised the authorities' hands-off approach, but patience wore thin for Plainfield's 2,400 residents. During the summer, town selectmen asked Monier to stop the influx of militiamen and other anti-government groups to the Browns' home and to bring the couple to justice. But some supporters lost favor with the Browns.
Last month, authorities arrested four men accused of helping obstruct justice in the Browns' case. Charges ranged from accessory after the fact to possession and use of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence. Authorities also blocked access to a fundraising event on the Browns' property.
Monier said in the news release that since those arrests, "there had been a dip in the number of visitors to the house."
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Yes, that's what I meant when I wrote here, several months ago, that perhaps things were not what they appeared to be.I am not suprised that this is how the arrests went down. I bet the marshals had been present before at the concerts and such as "undercover" supporters; they most likely conditioned the Browns over time to accept them as the militia nuts they thought them to be.
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That has to be a record for the slowest reaction to being arrested. At what point - after guns were pulled, badges shown,handcuffs were slapped on and rights were read - did Ed say, "Wait a minute, are you guys arresting me?"The undercover officers were invited in by the Browns on Thursday evening, and before the couple realized they weren't supporters, they were already under arrest.
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Does anyone know who was at the Brown's house last night? If not, does anyone know how to find out.
What kind of scum would did this? Was this the work of a regular employee of one of the nazi clubs that works for the feds? Or was it someone who was paid and/or blackmailed to do this?
The work of this forum is not finished until the Brown's are freed. The work of patriots is not done until those who commit treasonous acts (such as what must have been the case last night) are held accountable.
I think the scum who work for the feds should be required to provide all details of all their activities in regards to the Browns. After all, they are paid with our money. There comes a time when all documents of the alphabet soup organizations need to be put in the hands of the citizens of this country. At that time justice may truly be served. I assume that if things begin to fall apart for them they intend to destroy all documents (standard operating procedure),,,,, if that is the case then the citizens will have no choice but to assume that they are all guilty of treason.
The point has come when the employees of these gestapo groups need to openly declare which side of the line they stand on.
Directed to the filth from the feds that are reading this:
Make your decision and state it loud and clear. This is the only way to be sure that you are not stereotyped, categorized, segregated, and ,,,,,, Well, I'll let you figure the last one out (a little hint, it was your plan for us).
See you behind the post (figure that one out pigs)
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Does anyone know who was at the Brown's house last night? If not, does anyone know how to find out.
What kind of scum would did this? Was this the work of a regular employee of one of the nazi clubs that works for the feds? Or was it someone who was paid and/or blackmailed to do this?
The work of this forum is not finished until the Brown's are freed. The work of patriots is not done until those who commit treasonous acts (such as what must have been the case last night) are held accountable.
I think the scum who work for the feds should be required to provide all details of all their activities in regards to the Browns. After all, they are paid with our money. There comes a time when all documents of the alphabet soup organizations need to be put in the hands of the citizens of this country. At that time justice may truly be served. I assume that if things begin to fall apart for them they intend to destroy all documents (standard operating procedure),,,,, if that is the case then the citizens will have no choice but to assume that they are all guilty of treason.
The point has come when the employees of these gestapo groups need to openly declare which side of the line they stand on.
Directed to the filth from the feds that are reading this:
Make your decision and state it loud and clear. This is the only way to be sure that you are not stereotyped, categorized, segregated, and ,,,,,, Well, I'll let you figure the last one out (a little hint, it was your plan for us).
See you behind the post (figure that one out pigs)
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Wait a minute...are you saying that the marshalls went in dressed with feather boas and gold lame suits?Famspear wrote:The Observer wrote:
Yes, that's what I meant when I wrote here, several months ago, that perhaps things were not what they appeared to be.I am not suprised that this is how the arrests went down. I bet the marshals had been present before at the concerts and such as "undercover" supporters; they most likely conditioned the Browns over time to accept them as the militia nuts they thought them to be.
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I'm thinking one positive aspect for all this for "Elaine Alice: family Brown" is that for the next five years she won't be with Ed the Blowhard. Hopefully, that will do her some good.
Yeah, at which point the officers might have responded with something like: "Well Ed, basically we're non-existent Federal officers, and this is a non-existent arrest because of your non-existent conviction for violating the non-existent tax law that you keep asking people to show you, and now you're going to serve a long, non-existent prison term in a non-existent Federal prison. Now, get in the non-existent van."That has to be a record for the slowest reaction to being arrested. At what point - after guns were pulled, badges shown,handcuffs were slapped on and rights were read - did Ed say, "Wait a minute, are you guys arresting me?"
I'm thinking one positive aspect for all this for "Elaine Alice: family Brown" is that for the next five years she won't be with Ed the Blowhard. Hopefully, that will do her some good.
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Oh no - it looks like Ed and Elaine were kidnapped!
From http://edbrownvlog.blogspot.com/2007/10 ... -feds.htmlEd and Elaine Kidnapped by The Fed’s.
Casey Lee Cobb | Show The Law | October 5, 2007
According to the mainstream media Ed and Elaine Have Been "arrested" without incident.
The Union Leader however reports that: U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier said that the two did not surrender. At this point and time the Feds are not releasing any details on the reported "arrests".
According to Fox News: Details on the reported "arrests" will be provided in a news conference at the federal courthouse in Concord NH on October 5th 2007 @ 10:00 am EST.
It is currently not clear how the couple who did not surrender were kidnapped without incident.
Undisputable Fact: There is no law, that makes the average American liable for an income tax.
Despite the fact that there is no law, it appears that Ed and Elaine of the family Brown are being held captive by a criminal government. Who will refuse at all costs to provide the law, that Ed & Elaine have allegedly broken.
TELL THEM TO SHOW US THE LAW!
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Hardly. More like, she'll spend 10-15 years away from him in jail and then the remaining [part of her life (if any) out of jail away from him as he rots in prison for the rest of his life.Famspear wrote:I'm thinking one positive aspect for all this for "Elaine Alice: family Brown" is that for the next five years she won't be with Ed the Blowhard. Hopefully, that will do her some good.
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From http://prisonplanet.com/articles/octobe ... mounts.htmSpeculation Mounts That Browns Were Infiltrated, Tricked
Tax protesters arrested, but "did not surrender" according to reports, leading many to guess Ed and Elaine were taken by surprise and violently subdued before they could resist
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10AM CST UPDATE: Our earlier story is now confirmed - Marshals posed as supporters and the Browns let them in before being arrested. No details about how the Browns resisted have been released, despite the fact that Monier admitted they "did not surrender".
Marshals Posed As Supporters To Arrest Browns
Speculation is rife that the Browns were infiltrated and tricked before being violently subdued as authorities refuse to provide any details behind their arrest beside the fact that they did not peacefully surrender.
Observers were both saddened and confused about the announcement of the arrest of tax protesters Ed and Elaine Brown last night. Though none of us wanted to witness another Waco, we were all well aware of the fact that the Browns have stated on numerous occasions that they would not be arrested without a fight and would rather die than go to jail.
This prompted many to question how U.S. Marshals were able to seize the Browns with apparently little response, leading some to conclude that Ed and Elaine were tricked by one or more supporters whom they had taken into their confidence.
(Article continues below)
Posts on messageboards overnight feared that the Browns had been taken by surprise, violently subdued and probably shocked numerous times with Taser weapons before they even had a chance to resist.
The rumor mill is in high gear because officials have refused to provide any information regarding the details of the arrests, though a news conference is scheduled for 10am today.
All we know at this point is that the Browns were taken into custody after being seized by U.S. Marshals on their property at around 7:45pm last night.
Neighbors reported large convoys of SUV's approaching the property before the arrests.
"Grobe, a former patient of Elaine Brown, who used to run a dental practice, says he noticed "an unusual amount of traffic all of a sudden'' passing by the house last night. He said he saw 30 to 40 cars passing by, but had no idea if it was authorities," states an AP report.
"Neither he nor neighbor Robert Carpenter said they heard anything unusual. Carpenter said there were no marked cruisers, but a lot of large SUVs. He said he called the Plainfield Police and they called back and said what was going on."
"We had no indication that the Browns intended to voluntarily surrender, so we had to move forward with an operation that promised the safest possible outcome. That day was today," U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier said in a written statement.
Though the arrests occurred "without incident" and no one was injured, Monier admitted that the Browns "did not surrender," meaning they were likely violently subdued against their will.
If an informant was used to facilitate the arrest, it would not be the first time such tactics have been employed. In June, Ed Brown outed what he claimed was a Fed who had tried to provoke the Browns into making outlandish statements and rash decisions as part of "psychological operations" on behalf of authorities.
This came shortly after an aborted raid on the Brown's property during which supporter Danny Riley was arrested and later authorities attempted to coerce Riley into becoming an informant against the Browns. Marshals also threatened Riley with 15 years in jail unless he lied to the media and told them that the botched raid was not an attempted siege.
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Imalawman wrote:
To paraphrase and reiterate T.S. Eliot from earlier in this thread: Perhaps this is the way the world will end for Ed and Elaine - not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Oh well.Hardly. More like, she'll spend 10-15 years away from him in jail and then the remaining [part of her life (if any) out of jail away from him as he rots in prison for the rest of his life.
To paraphrase and reiterate T.S. Eliot from earlier in this thread: Perhaps this is the way the world will end for Ed and Elaine - not with a bang, but with a whimper.
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I think we will also see Elaine start putting distance between her and Ed in terms of relationship/loyalty. If she gets a decent attorney, we may see a "battered spouse" defence where Elaine will claim she was mentally abused into accepting and acting on Ed's politics and philosophy.Imalawman wrote:Hardly. More like, she'll spend 10-15 years away from him in jail and then the remaining [part of her life (if any) out of jail away from him as he rots in prison for the rest of his life.Famspear wrote:I'm thinking one positive aspect for all this for "Elaine Alice: family Brown" is that for the next five years she won't be with Ed the Blowhard. Hopefully, that will do her some good.
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Ed Brown got pardoned once already..Truthstalker wrote:Now I'm not suggesting for an instant that it could happen, but I'm just curious. Could the Governor pardon these crimes or would it have to be the President?
--In 1960, Brown was found guilty of assault with a dangerous weapon and armed robbery in connection with an attack on a man in Somerville, Massachusetts.[6] Brown was imprisoned at the Massachusetts Correctional Institute in Concord, Massachusetts, but was pardoned by then-governor Michael Dukakis in July of 1976, with the recommendation of the Massachusetts Advisory Board of Parole, after Brown's having been paroled in January of 1965.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Lewis_Brown
I hope that isn't what they were wearing when they walked in and had their way with Ed.. I would not tell that story in prison..Famspear wrote:The Observer wrote:
I know there must be another joke for this somewhere in the back of my brain, but I can't seem to find it right now.Wait a minute...are you saying that the marshalls went in dressed with feather boas and gold lame suits?