$300,000 Income Tax Reward (Peymon Mottahedeh)

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Re: $300,000 Income Tax Reward (Peymon Mottahedeh)

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What I don't understand, even after everyone's import, is how he hasn't been at least enjoined when people like Benson have been enjoined. From what I remember both of them are doing or did pretty much the same thing, Payme is even using Benson's arguments as his bread and butter. I don't recall Benson doing his clients returns either, just charging money to tell people how taxes were unconstitutional and not to file at all.
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Peymon Mottahedeh founder of the Freedom Law School joins the program to discuss how he helps people safely stop paying federal taxes. He explains why its a scam and how the constitution and the law does not support it. Many people talk about this, but he stands by his words so completely that his organization guarantees you will be safe by covering legal fees and costs if there are repercussions.
Yeah, we've already seen how well he backs up his clients.
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Rapid City, SD apparently. That close enough to you Obs?

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Re: $300,000 Income Tax Reward (Peymon Mottahedeh)

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JamesVincent wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:33 pm Rapid City, SD apparently. That close enough to you Obs?
It's about a 12 hour drive for me. So it is way too close. But to be honest, this event could be in Afghanistan and it would still be too close for comfort. And the prices ($145 a day) they are charging to hear the lies of Mottahedeh, Joe Bannister and the rest of the conspiratard presenters makes it all the more easy to avoid this event like the plague.
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The Observer wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:35 pm ...makes it all the more easy to avoid this event like the plague.
After spending all week (and this weekend) remodeling an apartment for a slum lord after one of her crackhead tenants kicked in the walls and stole the light fixtures and smoke detectors these people almost seem rational.
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Every month or so I take a look at Mottahedeh's twitter feed to get an idea of what bullshit he's currently spewing in an effort to get the marks to fork over their bucks. Nothing new on the tax front - he's still pumping out the oldest canard of all, that no law requires the average person to pay income tax. Over the last couple of weeks, though, he's been retweeting on a virtually daily basis accounts of people dying unexpectedly - which, of course, is a result of having been vaccinated. Never mind that many of the very stories he retweets themselves contain the causes of death, including things like "terminal abdominal cancer". Why, it's obvious that all of those disparate causes of death were themselves the result of vaccination.

It requires a truly significant degree of greed and stupidity to buy into his nonsense, not to mention an even greater degree of greed and dishonesty to promote it.
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wserra wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:15 pm It requires a truly significant degree of greed and stupidity to buy into his nonsense, not to mention an even greater degree of greed and dishonesty to promote it.
Well, look at the sycophants that show up here to defend Payme. Ones like Cspeter8 and givemeliberty blah blah. None of them have ever made a cogent argument in support of Payme, none of them could ever cite one single case in support of FLS and all of them made almost deranged statements when confronted with cites and facts. As you said there has to be something there, the elevator stopped underground instead of the top floor. Payme himself could not show anything that proved his own theories when he graced us with his presence. It all boils down to:
tHe LaW oNlY meAnS wHaT i SaY iT mEaNs
Takes a pretty big disconnect to believe that.
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JamesVincent wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 5:14 amTakes a pretty big disconnect to believe that.
In Mottahedeh's case, what makes you think that he believes it? I keep coming back to how he didn't use the crap he sells in his own case.
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wserra wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 2:23 pm
In Mottahedeh's case, what makes you think that he believes it? I keep coming back to how he didn't use the crap he sells in his own case.
I don't think he does. In fact I'd almost bet on it. If you look at his defense in his own trial none of the crap he peddles on FLS showed up. There was definitely some bobbing and weaving and some Becraft type judicial nonsense but none of the "I'm not a resident of DC" crap. Like I said before I wish there was a way to snag his current returns. I bet he's filing them since his YouTube videos are monetized and YouTube isn't gonna play shell games. They can get in trouble for it and he ain't big enough to make it worth it to them
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JamesVincent wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 2:52 am I bet he's filing them since his YouTube videos are monetized and YouTube isn't gonna play shell games. They can get in trouble for it and he ain't big enough to make it worth it to them
That would make some sense, but Peyton has been a non-filer for a number of years, evident from his court cases. As they say, a leopard doesn't change his spots; I think at this point Peyton is so far down the tubes in terms of being able to bounce back from his loss in the 9th that it won't make difference if he continues to stop filing. What is one more return filed by the IRS for him? They haven't collected the previous debt, his notice of tax liens have already caused the hit to his credit report, and he has locked down a house that probably has no equity.

All Peyton has to do is to keep the money rolling in to keep his and his family's head above water. It's gotta be money that can't be located or traced in a bank account. So he will set up his business to accept cash or check, keep using the internet to advertise his scam before he gets kicked off, then move to another internet media broadcasting source (in fact he already has an alternate site at this time). Whatever money he gets from YT is probably minimal and not a big loss if the admins kick him.

The IRS should be sending agents to any of these conferences that he is attending and summons the principals who took money from Peyton for the exhibitor fees they collect. The summons could be served for testimony under oath which only increases the pressure on the organizer(s) who now have to spend their time and money defending Peyton. It may result in some avenues opened up that would allow for collecting from Peyton, if not evidence to convict him of tax evasion.

All that being said, I agree that Peymon doesn't believe that this nonsense works. He had the perfect opportunity to bring the Freedom Law school method into court and embarass all of those appeal justices. Instead, he essentially just whined about the IRS not being fair with him and ignoring the law - the very law he tells his marks doesn't exist.
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Peymon appeared at a cryptoconference at Pier 36 NYC last week. Not only did he appear, but he paid $40,000 in sponsorship fees, or so DL News reports, based on what Peymon told them.

Peymon billed himself as an "Education Specialist" under the speakers list. And in keeping with Freedom Law School's motto ("Leave no mark untouched") the company booth had a banner reading "PAY NO CRYPTO TAXES EVER."

One interesting thing I gleaned from the article is that Peymon has instituted a sliding scale based on your income and the amount of tax you would normally pay on your income if you are a cowardly sheep. He has even installed an online calculator to figure how much it will cost you to sign up for the Freedom Law School plan. From what I see, Peymon just expects to collect on whatever amount of tax that you have paid so far for year less the amount you have failed to forward to the Treasury. On a tax bill of $10,500 and $100k of income, Peymon wants $7500 of that. In short, commission fees that can range anywhere from 20% to 70%, depending on your income (and depth of your gullibility).

If you were stupid enough to have already paid over your total due, Peymon will still charge you $2k. Two grand for what? He can't get your taxes back since he advises you to not file a return. And if you don't file a return, the IRS doesn't have to send a refund.

Peymon's loss in the 9th Circuit was duly reported by DL News. Peymon explained away the loss this way:
“The court of appeals did not address anything I said, the briefs were voluminous.”
So, as predicted, Peymon is falling back on the "the courts are corrupt" response.
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This post does not directly involve Mottahedeh, but does involve him indirectly - in spades.

A few days ago, a New Jersey federal judge sentenced someone to 8 months for failing to file four years of income taxes.. Dog bites man, right? Happens every day. But this guy was a senior VP and the general counsel at Moody's, the giant multinational financial services firm. In other words, he had access to (and actually gave) top legal advice. My guess is that, if there was no law requiring him to file, he probably had better things to do with eight months than spend it in federal prison - not to mention a desire to keep a job that surely paid him handsomely.

This is just one of the many reasons why a Joe Schmoe who seeks "advice" from Peymon Mottahedeh is blinded by a large helping of greed. Anyone with the common sense that God gave a rock understands that, if Moody's general counsel can't get out of filing taxes, then neither can they. None of which, of course, absolves Mottahedeh of being a con man.
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All good points - if a lawyer can't find a way to convince the courts that there is no law that makes he or she liable for income taxes, who can?

But Peymon will explain that all away by:

(1) pointing out that the attorney filed previously to those four years and that means he will forever be a slave and under the thumb of the government,

(2) saying that the courts are corrupt and won't ever rule in the defendant's favor,

(3) and that only Mottahedeh's method is the sure fire way that will wor- er, wait a minute, he lost in the 9th. So he can't claim that as a valid reason. On top of that he never bothered to defend himself with the Freedom Law School method at any point in his case.

It all boils down to basically what you said. Peymon just preys on greedy people who think that there is a way to get out of paying taxes.
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