Robert Arthur Menard FOTL (Freeman on the Lam)

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Hanslune wrote:Bull-baiting

You may remember this blood sport from centuries past.

I would suggest that Quatloos reinstate this form of entertainment.

I recommend Scott Duncan be chained by the leg to a stake in a pit and Menard, Johnson, Clifford and others be thrown into said pit and we should then watch them throw liens at one another, hefty fee schedules and the odd notices of mistake.

It would be horrid and funny at the same time.....
That's an interesting idea.

Every once in while competing gurus show up at the same freedom fest/speakers/forum. Since each successful guru has his/her own spin and theory each guru has to make the decision as to whether he is going to be critical the other guru's theory or just pretend their idea is better.

Menard and Clifford were at the same Vancouver freeman conference a few months before Dean's arrest. Dean took his usual furious approach to the powers that be only to be followed by Menard who said he was fond of Dean but just didn't like his angry ways. It ended up with neither landing a glove on the other.

We know that Menard and Belanger don't get along with the latter portraying the former's different theories as "lies".

Menard has been called out a couple of times by Brian Alexander who says the C3PO is bunk.

Just about every guru has a problem with Ben Lowery since he doesn't have any problem with pointing out that freeman theories just don't work in the real world. Doing so breaks the unspoken freeman prime directive that gurus shouldn't point out the insanity of the other guru's theories since doing so might lead to the questioning of one's own theory.

Likewise gurus aren't supposed to point out the instances in which the practitioners of another guru's methods end up jailed or fined. The standard line used at the failure of a freeman theory is that the powers that be and the courts are hopelessly corrupt and as such were forced to slap a jail term or fine on the freeman in question inorder throw a scare into the rest of freemandia. Any freeman, or freeman-lite who points out that a particular theory has failed several times is branded a cowardly shill.

Inexplicably a few freemen like Eldon Warman and Robert Menard have made the colossal marketing error of blaming the failure of their theory on practitioners who it is said "didn't do it right". Peter of England has recently made this error saying that WeRe bank checks bounce because many of his clients didn't know how to properly fill out a check. This just plain nuts, even by freeman logic, because all the gurus need do is blame the powers that be for the failure. Dissing the clients is disaster for freeman gurus since most of their followers became freemen or freewomen in reaction to a mainstream society they see as hypercritical and controlling in the first place!

As we have noted before many freeman gurus are self-distructive and as such end up sliding down the slag heap of the freeman subculture only to be replaced by another guru.

This fall is what we are seeing in the cases of Dean and Bobby.
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The What's Going On video from over in the UK might be relevant here.

They've started up a parallel peace keeper initiative that intends to arrest cops and judges with fake badges and uniforms for their peace keepers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMssqbxxK_Q
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Jeffrey wrote:The What's Going On video from over in the UK might be relevant here.

They've started up a parallel peace keeper initiative that intends to arrest cops and judges with fake badges and uniforms for their peace keepers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMssqbxxK_Q
They have come to the same place as Menard. . .they realize that once they go through all their common law rigamerole and arrest a cop they have to have their own courts in which to try them. But at least they aren't on the run like Bobby.

Like Menard they haven't done diddily to address the stunning contradiction that nobody outside their little asylum has consented to any of their plans.

In keeping with my theory of anything goes freeman thought not a soul in the room said anything about what might go wrong with their idea or even who their cop core would answer to.
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Re: Robert Arthur Menard FOTL (Freeman on the Lam)

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A little personal Robert Menard story to while away the time until the police scoop him up. I've actually recently had a personal contact with him! Bit of an Indirect contact but a message from him nonetheless. Readers might remember that I started this discussion about a seminar Ron Usher and I gave;

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10605

I posted it very early in the AM on Friday May 29th. Menard is obviously a very devoted follower of my postings because he very quickly read it and realized he now had a connection to me, the seminar leader Ron Usher. So early that Friday afternoon he phoned Ron at his office at the Society of Notaries Public of British Columbia and gave him an almost hysterical anti-Burnaby49 rant! Apparently a real tirade. I was harassing him, stalking him, it's a vendetta! When he finds out who I am I'll be sued for libel, slander, putting all that melamine in the milk in China. Everything I've said about him are LIES, LIES, LIES! I asked Ron if he thought Rob had been drinking and he said no.

He claimed that he is not on the run from the police (he seemed particularly offended by the word "Lam" in the discussion title). The police know where he is but are afraid to pick him up.

Why me? Why all this personal animus? It isn't because I post negative comments about him. He seems, generally, to have no problem with that. He raved that I follow him across the net to harass him. Well actually Arayder does that. Arayder is currently squabbling with Rob over at TPUC, he goes after him in Quatloos, he has a Menard discussion over at JREF. However Menard seems to have no problem with Arayder. And I do none of those things; I just squat in Quatloos and can't be bothered to go after him elsewhere.

So Menard can't engage me in his preferred venue. A blog where he can say whatever he wants without having to prove or back up anything. He's currently (although he hasn't posted in a while) sockpuppeting over at TPUC as puddywuddle;

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php ... 0e645e45bb

and employing the classic Menard rhetoric of unsupported statements, unverified claims of victory, attacking his critics, trying to deflect the discussion away from his failures, not answering questions or answering a different Question than the one asked and pretending he'd actually answered the question under discussion.

He's a master of evasion so he'd be quite happy to argue with me on that basis, on his own playing field using his own loosey-goosey rules. But he can't engage with me on that level because I refuse to play that game. Unless he comes to Quatloos he'll never have me directly on the other side of an argument.

I think the real reason that he has this rage against me is not because of what I say about him but what I post about him, specifically, the documents. He's at home deflecting arguments, giving vague references to a common law he doesn't understand and attacking his attackers but he can't refute the documents. He's tried with Nolan, a Supreme Court of Canada decision that is going to kill him when he actually goes to trial, and all he did was show us that he has no response to it at all and barely understands it.

You brought it on yourself Rob. My interest in you really only started with that Federal Court of Canada Statement of Claim. Before that I posted about you from time to time but not much, not really interested in you. But that goofy reversed image picture of you grinning while holding what seemed to be a Federal Court Statement of Claim (apparently deliberately obscured) piqued my interest. So I wandered over to the court registry and got a copy. My first thought was "What the hell is this garbage?" It was obviously doomed to failure, you had nothing that even resembled a valid argument in law. So I posted it.

I'm guessing that you'd probably thought that you could do that little leg and ankle peek at your Statement of Claim and get your fans interested. Then if you won (probably in your mind an actual possibility) you'd post the whole thing. And if you lost you could just deep six it down the memory hole like you have much of your slash and burn past. But I got a copy of the decision, where the court treated your case like a decaying dead rat it found on its doorstep, and posted it on Quatloos.

That got me thinking, why did Menard file this crap and why now? So I checked and found out about your criminal charges. The Federal Court action was nothing more than a desperate collateral attack on your province of Ontario criminal charges. However, while I revealed that you had been charged with impersonating a peace officer I had no details or proof. And Burnaby49 is nothing if not details proof and documentation. So I made the effort to get the documents from the Toronto court and I posted them in my Media Fire account. They were downloaded a huge number of times. And you were exposed to the world as a liar.

That is what hurt Rob. Documents proving that he was criminally charged and on the run. And in all his winteral/puddywuddle/menard arguments he has never refuted the documents.

You want to know how obsessed I am about documents Rob? Bill Lumberg came up with a narrative about what happened in your court hearings that conflicted with mine just by using the same documents that I had posted. So I tried to resolve this by getting the transcripts of your hearings from the Toronto court. I failed, but I tried. I would have got them and posted them had you been charged in Vancouver.
"Yes Burnaby49, I do in fact believe all process servers are peace officers. I've good reason to believe so." Robert Menard in his May 28, 2015 video "Process Servers".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeI-J2PhdGs
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Re: Robert Arthur Menard FOTL (Freeman on the Lam)

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Phrase of the day:
But I got a copy of the decision, where the court treated your case like a decaying dead rat it found on its doorstep,

Somehow the imagine of Menard taking a dead rat to the court house - hidden under his fez is - amusing.
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Hanslune wrote:Phrase of the day:
But I got a copy of the decision, where the court treated your case like a decaying dead rat it found on its doorstep,
Somehow the imagine of Menard taking a dead rat to the court house - hidden under his fez is - amusing.
I dearly wanted to deliver my Statement of Claim to Manji and Derek pinned to a 300 kilogram, very dead sow, but my wife dissuaded me. :twisted:
Besides, on sober second thought, there was the basic engineering problem of removing a defunct animal of that size from the back of my truck and positioning it on his doorstep as required by Court Procedure. :thinking:
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Burnaby, you've fallen into the trap. They don't mean "do your own research" as in actually getting facts from the source. They mean "do your own research" so if it goes wrong I have an excuse but really just take my word for it and don't question it.
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Burnaby49 wrote:A little personal Robert Menard story to while away the time until the police scoop him up. I've actually recently had a personal contact with him! Bit of an Indirect contact but a message from him nonetheless. Readers might remember that I started this discussion about a seminar Ron Usher and I gave;

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10605

. . . .Why me? Why all this personal animus? It isn't because I post negative comments about him. He seems, generally, to have no problem with that. He raved that I follow him across the net to harass him. Well actually Arayder does that. Arayder is currently squabbling with Rob over at TPUC, he goes after him in Quatloos, he has a Menard discussion over at JREF. However Menard seems to have no problem with Arayder. And I do none of those things; I just squat in Quatloos and can't be bothered to go after him elsewhere.

. . .I think the real reason that he has this rage against me is not because of what I say about him but what I post about him, specifically, the documents. He's at home deflecting arguments, giving vague references to a common law he doesn't understand and attacking his attackers but he can't refute the documents. He's tried with Nolan, a Supreme Court of Canada decision that is going to kill him when he actually goes to trial, and all he did was show us that he has no response to it at all and barely understands it. And you were exposed to the world as a liar.

That is what hurt Rob. Documents proving that he was criminally charged and on the run. And in all his winteral/puddywuddle/menard arguments he has never refuted the documents.
One of Bobby's little narcissistic fantasies is that he will track his debunkers down and inform their families and co-workers about what low life scum they must be to dare contradict the Great Fezzed One.

He misidentified Jargon Buster and D'Rok sending out crazy misinformation to supposed co-workers who surely didn't know what the blazes he was talking about. He filed an insane suit in the Canadian courts against all the folks who were outing him on the JREF forum. He has tried to harass my internet provider and one of my email accounts (the one I had the bad judgement to let Bobby know about) has been filled up with gay porno.

Not that there's anything wrong with gay porno.

Burnaby, when you gave out the name of a colleague with whom you were collaborating regarding freeman subculture Moose Head Bobby, true to form, jumped on the opening and went off on your colleague about you.

One has to assume the tirade was done during a break in Bobby's otherwise busy schedule spent organizing the C3PO and the ACCP.
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Actually hold up.

Why didn't Menard just make his arrest public and use it to raise funds off?

"Help the evil government is cracking down on me, send me funds!"
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Jeffrey wrote:Why didn't Menard just make his arrest public and use it to raise funds off?
By way of an excuse Menard says he was ill during the arrest-to-hearing period of the episode.

My take is that characteristic of a person with a narcissistic personality disorder Bobby lacked the self-confidence to do jail time and stand up in court. Faced with the reality of his typically spineless behavior he has since been self-medicating in another province.
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Nah, they'd just be whining and whimpering off in their respective corners as bullies inevitably do. No sport or spectacle, let alone amusement there. Now leaving them to Webhick's tender mercies after she's had a particularly bad day, that would be amusing, although not for them. I understand the ferrets haven't had a really good outing in a while and are getting bored.
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Actually Rob's been very quiet of late. He was posting up a storm on his FaceBook page, sometimes multiple posts a day. Eleven posts on June 16th! Four on the 17th, then nothing since. Just stopped.

https://www.facebook.com/robert.menard. ... riends_tab

Same with his posturing as Puddywuddle at The People's United Community. He participated in four TPUC discussions between June 7th and 18th posting 116 times then suddenly he stopped. This was the main one;

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65

By my Count he posted 87 times in this discussion between June 7th and June 18th but, after a single short post on the 18th, he was gone.

Menard started this discussion on June 9th;

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=128

He participated for three day posting 20 times then bailed on June 11th.

He revived mrmitee on You Tube with a new video, presumably from his super-secret hideout on May 25th.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkrifHQYzm8

This is when he stared begging for money through GoFundMe. He pumped out another May 28th and yet another June 3rd. Then, his GoFundMe begging having dried up, he stopped.

And that's been it. A flurry of activity until mid June then not a word. Has he skipped to another hideout? Been arrested? Died in a drunken fall down the stairs? No idea.
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He's got $700, that's enough to remain drunk enough to be barely conscious for a long time.
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Despite his claims to a freewheeling life Menard has to spent a sizable amount of time finding a place to live, recruiting new associates/marks and scrapping together enough money to maintain his lifestyle. With Bobby it's only after he's got bed, board and brews figured out that he can resume work on one of his "projects".

Most folks Bobby's age already have the bottom half of Maslow's hierarchy of needs figured out.

The irony here is that Bobby has always bragged about having left the material, work-a-day world behind so he can focus on being a precious bit of cosmic dust.

Soon enough Bobby will find a new group of suckers, a new couch and a new patron who might even have a video camera.

The problem Bobby has is that he is not one bit smarter, or one bit more knowledgeable about law, government and society then he was when he started his freeman thing. He's been feeding his gut and and his ego for fifteen years. . .and he's got nothing to show for it.

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Jeffrey wrote:He's got $700, that's enough to remain drunk enough to be barely conscious for a long time.
I question the amount he actually got. Only $138 of the claimed $728 GoFundMe total was actually donated through GoFundMe. The rest was "Offline Donations". Rob could put in any amount he wanted there. So I'm assuming that most, if not all, of the $590 in Offline Donations were just entries put in by Rob to make the potential suckers think that there was real activity.
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i wonder if there's any way we could get Menard and Belanger under the same roof. Or pile of leaves, maybe.
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Burnaby49 wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:He's got $700, that's enough to remain drunk enough to be barely conscious for a long time.
I question the amount he actually got. Only $138 of the claimed $728 GoFundMe total was actually donated through GoFundMe. The rest was "Offline Donations". Rob could put in any amount he wanted there. So I'm assuming that most, if not all, of the $590 in Offline Donations were just entries put in by Rob to make the potential suckers think that there was real activity.
The $138 as well as the ACCP fees went into Wilfred Leger's Pay Pal account. So Bobby had to go through Wilfred to get the money. If there was some trouble between them, say over a soiled guest room or a cleaned out liquor cabinet, Bobby might not have gotten all or any of the money.

This is not inconceivable since there has been reports of Menard stealing from hosts and befouling guest rooms.

"Sure, Robert here's your money. I took out the cost of the Moose Heads and the whiskey you drank up and the cost of the cleaning supplies we are going to have to use on the spare room after you leave tomorrow. Did I tell you you are leaving tomorrow morning?"

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Want to visit Rob? Here's your invite!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023015 ... 504943965/

He's back tinkering with the NinjaGOAT. The guy just can't seem to focus.
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Burnaby49 wrote:Want to visit Rob? Here's your invite!

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1023015 ... 504943965/

He's back tinkering with the NinjaGOAT. The guy just can't seem to focus.
Bobby's putting on a show about what he says is his nice little house, his toys (who believes he carted the goat up to Quebec) and his wonderful life because everybody is laughing at him and speculating that his freeman career and his liver are both on their last legs.

To paraphrase the old line, "On the internet nobody knows you're sleeping with the dog."

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It’s not the sleeping part that comes in to question.
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