National Liberty Alliance - Citizen Grand Juries

[The Observer]

... writ of mandamus....

Everytime I see this in relation to sov's the little voice in my head that actually reads everything pronounces it man-dumb-ass, can't help it.....

This is what you get for participating in the Quatloos forum for so long.....

It could be worse - he could be breaking out in limericks.

[Judge Roy Bean]

... Most judges have very little sense of humor about this sort of thing, and I think it is about time that these yahoos find out what real court process looks like.

I'm afraid most judges just roll their eyes and let the clerks deal with it (think of what the clerk in Van Pelt's county has put up with over the years). The Sheriff's office, on the other hand, might be a different experience. Unless they run into a complete rookie at the desk the situation could be anything from being laughed at to being escorted from the building to being taken into custody.

[Dr. Caligari]

When we last tuned in, our valiant white knights against the evil Powers That Be has filed numerous (hysterically stupid) writs and "rescinded" the NY judge's order stating there is no such thing as common law grand juries

No, they "resinded" it.

[gshevlin]

I just tried to read one of their demands for various individuals to show up at court in June...it is a bizarre mixture of modern and antiquated legalese, larded generously with Latin (non-lawyers use Latin a lot since they think it shows they are educated about The Law).
Overall I feel like I am reading the rantings of an adolescent child who has been grounded and is demanding his or her freedom. In my mind, I can imagine people stamping their feet and demanding Freedom...

[Pottapaug1938]

I just tried to read one of their demands for various individuals to show up at court in June...it is a bizarre mixture of modern and antiquated legalese, larded generously with Latin (non-lawyers use Latin a lot since they think it shows they are educated about The Law).
Overall I feel like I am reading the rantings of an adolescent child who has been grounded and is demanding his or her freedom. In my mind, I can imagine people stamping their feet and demanding Freedom...

I once read a piece of legal "scholarship" offered by some of these clowns; and they said that it is mandatory to use the Latin phrases because the English phrases could be inaccurate under the provisions of the (reverent bow of the head) Common Law (head back to normal).

[JamesVincent]

It could be worse - he could be breaking out in limericks.

Good Lord no. My years of anti-brainwashing have protected me from that fate at least.

[LPC]

I once read a piece of legal "scholarship" offered by some of these clowns; and they said that it is mandatory to use the Latin phrases because the English phrases could be inaccurate under the provisions of the (reverent bow of the head) Common Law (head back to normal).

True story (which I've probably told before):

First week of law school, and the dean (Bernard Wolfman, for those who might have heard of him) is giving a two or three day introduction to case law. We've read an opinion, and the dean asks a student what the result was.

Student1: The court ordered a new trial.

Dean: That's right.

Student2: Actually, I think that the court ordered a venire de novo.

Dean: That's a new trial. What, you think it makes a difference if they say it in Latin?

But that kink of common sense never occurs to the morons who worship the Latin phrases.

[fortinbras]

Bernard Wolfman, who died in 2011, had been Dean of the Univ. of Pennsylvania Law School and one of the country's foremost tax lawyers.

[Dr. Caligari]

He was my prof (visiting) for Income Tax. I still remember (38 years or so later!) him calling on me to explain Crane v. Comm'r and basically ripping me a new one. But he was a great teacher.

[Judge Roy Bean]

...
But that kink of common sense never occurs to the morons who worship the Latin phrases.

I can tell you from personal experience that the effort on their part is two-fold. First, they want to make and sustain an impression on the even more ignorant sycophants. Second, and this is the dumbest part, they think that by having more and more old references and Latin in their gibberish it will make an impression on the clerks and perhaps even the court. They really do believe speaking (or writing) the lingo gives them some kind of credibility and that it may be the key to unlocking the door to making the court behave as they say it should.

There are, apparently, two justice systems and you have to know the secret codes to get into the real one.

[LightinDarkness]

The NLA crazies are at it again! Even MORE gibberish paperwork - frankly, I have to hand it to them. This is the most volume of non-sense paperwork I've seen out of a sov'run group in some time. The main leader John must be retired or be living off a social welfare program (not the first time sov'runs have tried to bite the hand that feeds them) to push out this much gibberish.

Behold, the "Grand Jury" of New York notifying the courts that they are removing their case to federal court and subpoenaing just about every clerk and judge that has laughed at them and telling them to appear for a "hearing" on June 2 or else:

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/ ... 20Case.pdf

What I like in particular is how this guy is trying REALLY hard to make as many footnotes as possible and loves changing the font on every latin phase to make it seem even more special.

I AM SURE it will work this time guys, really...

[notorial dissent]

I can't wait until this actually hits the Federal Courts. I really wish I could be there to see what happens when whatever poor receiving clerks gets this pile o' sovrun gibberish, it should be priceless, always assuming it even gets past the clerk to begin with.

What will be even more hilarious will be the eruption of righteous fury in NLAland when this ultimately gets bounced down the pike.

I wonder where they'll take their non-sense to after their upcoming defeat.

[LightinDarkness]

Oh they already have more plans for the inevitable failure, notorial. I listened to some of their weekly conference call, and here is the grand plan that is absolutely sure to work, John assures us:

(1) First John has called in all the Grand Jury crazies from across the country to appear for this "hearing" on June 2, doing the usual sov'run tactic of packing the court to intimidate and harass the judge and staff. Whats funny is I am not even sure what they think they are going to do, this gibberish paperwork is basically them ordaining a hearing that has not been authorized, do they think a judge is simply going to be like "well OK, your paperwork says we have to have a hearing so lets have one!" when they show up?

(2) Although John assures us that they absolutely will win because the paperwork is a tour de force and cannot be argued with, in the unlikely event (HA) that they lose they will certainly be heard by SCOTUS. John informed everyone that SCOTUS really has no choice on the matter and just about has to rule their way.

(3) But in the REALLY unlikely event (I'm laughing so hard now) that they lose at district court (they won't even lose, they just won't be allowed to have a sov'run hearing) and SCOTUS (cert denied!), there is an alternate plan. They are writing letters to every judge in New York informing them of the clerks and judges that have laughed at them and demanding these judges make orders for the arrest of the treasonous judges that laughed at NLA.

As usual, I wonder how far this gets before John and company find themselves arrested?

[LightinDarkness]

By the way, like all sov'run scams the leader of this one is making bank. Hes got at least 3,000 people signed up for these sov'run grand juries across the country and a good portion of them are donating 5 bucks a month for "overhead" (AKA John's bank account). John also sells your very own grand jury business cards (impress all your friends!), tshirts, and assorted survivalist/other nutty stuff from the NLA store. Hes probably banking $5k a month on the conservative side, maybe even more.

Being a sov'run crazy isn't all that bad of a gig for your bank account, it seems.

Also, John has come up with a 120 HOUR course with a 600 QUESTION TEST (all available for purchase through the NLA store!) that he think hes sov'run grand jury people are going to take. I've got some news for John, 95% of sov'runs are fair weather sov'runs - like we saw with RuSA's collapse when Timmy got arrested, these people are around to scream about their oppression but quickly flee if any actual work is involved on their part. Only a handful of them will be genuinely nuts enough to take a 120 hour 600 question "course" on being a sov'run grand juror. Although really, when you think about it, isn't it amazing that these people are so delusional they have generated enough completely mythical material to make such a course?

[notorial dissent]

I had been wondering how they were going to hold a hearing, when they had only just barely gotten the paperwork filed, if they even got that far. When I first saw that I just couldn't imagine that they had gotten a court date that quickly in a Federal court. I have to admit that I thought then that they were just making it up, and so it seems they were. I am betting that there won't be anymore of a hearing there than there was in the NY courts, and I'm equally sure that the Supreme Court is just waiting anxiously to hear from them and their sure fire paperwork.

The comedy continues.

[wserra]

I can't wait until this actually hits the Federal Courts.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

Below is the list of NYND new cases filed since last Thursday, May 8, 2014:

1:14-cr-00181-MAD USA v. Baird filed 05/09/14 closed 05/09/14
1:14-cr-00181-MAD-1 Jeremy Nelson Baird filed 05/09/14 closed 05/09/14
1:14-cv-00541-GLS-DEP Gordon v. Commissioner of Social Security filed 05/08/14
1:14-cv-00542-GTS-RFT J.M. v. Kingston City School District filed 05/08/14
1:14-cv-00553-LEK-CFH Evans v. Picnic Pizza, Inc. et al filed 05/09/14
1:14-cv-00554-MAD-RFT Beliard v. Perry et al filed 05/12/14
1:14-cv-00558-DNH Alford v. Dribusch filed 05/12/14
1:14-cv-00559-GLS-CFH Fedele et al v. Harris et al filed 05/12/14
5:14-cr-00160-NAM USA v. Duggan filed 05/09/14
5:14-cr-00160-NAM-1 David Taze Duggan filed 05/09/14
5:14-cr-00173-GTS USA v. Ramon-Ortiz filed 05/08/14
5:14-cr-00173-GTS-1 Victor Ramon-Ortiz filed 05/08/14
5:14-cv-00543-GLS-RFT Winchell v. Commissioner of Social Security filed 05/08/14
5:14-cv-00550-GLS-TWD Grunder v. Elderwood Healthcare of Birchwood filed 05/09/14
5:14-cv-00551-DNH Squire v. Berkshire Bank filed 05/08/14
5:14-cv-00557-TJM-TWD Society for Personality and Social Psychology, Inc. v. Tolchin filed 05/12/14
5:14-mj-00164-TWD USA v. Stachura filed 05/12/14
5:14-mj-00164-TWD-1 Robert J. Stachura filed 05/12/14
6:14-cv-00549-LEK-CFH Morgan v. Colvin filed 05/09/14
7:14-mj-00162-LAK USA v. Dority filed 05/08/14
7:14-mj-00162-LAK-1 Bruce Michael Dority filed 05/08/14
8:14-cr-00150-TJM USA v. Rodriguez filed 05/08/14
8:14-cr-00150-TJM-1 Nelson Alexander Rodriguez filed 05/08/14
8:14-cr-00162-GTS USA v. Gomez-Pantaleon filed 05/08/14 closed 05/09/14
8:14-cr-00162-GTS-1 Selvin Mahel Gomez-Pantaleon filed 05/08/14 closed 05/09/14
8:14-mj-00163-LAK USA v. Lazore filed 05/12/14 closed 05/12/14
8:14-mj-00163-LAK-1 Thomas Lazore filed 05/12/14 closed 05/12/14
9:14-cv-00539-MAD-DEP Cole v. New York State Department of Corrections and Community Supervision et al filed 05/08/14
9:14-cv-00540-TJM-DEP Outman v. Waldron et al filed 05/08/14
9:14-cv-00544-LEK-DEP Houston v. Warden filed 05/08/14 closed 05/09/14
9:14-cv-00545-MAD-RFT Ryan v. Graham et al filed 05/09/14
9:14-cv-00546-LEK-RFT Hemby v. Ferrari et al filed 05/09/14
9:14-cv-00547-LEK-CFH Robinson v. Plumley et al filed 05/09/14
9:14-cv-00548-GLS-ATB Alexander v. Fischer et al filed 05/09/14
9:14-cv-00555-GLS-CFH Jenkins v. Brown et al filed 05/12/14
9:14-cv-00556-TJM-TWD Trapani v. Pullen et al filed 05/12/14

Anybody see our heroes?

These idiots probably think that, by filing a notice of removal in state court, the case just beams down to federal court.

[Pottapaug1938]

The NLA crazies are at it again! Even MORE gibberish paperwork - frankly, I have to hand it to them. This is the most volume of non-sense paperwork I've seen out of a sov'run group in some time. The main leader John must be retired or be living off a social welfare program (not the first time sov'runs have tried to bite the hand that feeds them) to push out this much gibberish.

Behold, the "Grand Jury" of New York notifying the courts that they are removing their case to federal court and subpoenaing just about every clerk and judge that has laughed at them and telling them to appear for a "hearing" on June 2 or else:

http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/ ... 20Case.pdf

What I like in particular is how this guy is trying REALLY hard to make as many footnotes as possible and loves changing the font on every latin phase to make it seem even more special.

I AM SURE it will work this time guys, really...

It HAS to work -- it's signed (or scribbled) by an Attornatus Privatus.

[notorial dissent]

I can't wait until this actually hits the Federal Courts.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

These idiots probably think that, by filing a notice of removal in state court, the case just beams down to federal court.

I'm not, but it would be a howl if it ever does.

I suspect there will shrieks of righteous indignation when it doesn't magically appear on the NY District Court's schedule, all a bit plot you know.

It will be interesting to see what excuse they come up with for this one.

[Pottapaug1938]

I can't wait until this actually hits the Federal Courts.

I wouldn't hold your breath.

These idiots probably think that, by filing a notice of removal in state court, the case just beams down to federal court.

I'm not, but it would be a howl if it ever does.

I suspect there will shrieks of righteous indignation when it doesn't magically appear on the NY District Court's schedule, all a bit plot you know.

It will be interesting to see what excuse they come up with for this one.

They will probably file a complaint with the International Court of Justice, or try to get the UN to take up this matter.

[The Observer]

They will probably file a complaint with the International Court of Justice, or try to get the UN to take up this matter.

Heavens, no! What are you thinking? They will take it to the highest seat of justice in the land: the local Denny's.