I wonder if he advised against filing crap like this?waylonmercy wrote:Elbow counsel are made available to pro se defendants in an advisory capacity only.JohnPCapitalist wrote:Perhaps because he knows the deadline for filing motions has already passed and it will be rejected on that basis alone, without the court having to get into the actual argument and rule on the merits. Easily dismissed nonsense is not a problem for the court; I would expect the judge to issue a verbal order to strike or a ruling to deny the "motion."Resume wrote:It feels like paranoia, yet isn't rambling enough. What it reads like is conspiracy porn, the intended audience being her hangers-on. Or it could be all the above: a hero-epic, a letter to Paranoia Forum, and a cry for help, if need be.
Why would her elbow-counsel let her file that crap?
It may also be because he's got to let her direct her own defense and can't stop her from doing anything short of breaking a specific rule of the court. IANAL, so I'm obviously just speculating on this part.
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Heather's elbow counsel was advised by Judge Shirley to "assist her with federal court procedure and decorum." I would think he is obligated to follow a judge's instructions, and that he should disallow Heather's absurd filings on that basis.
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Planet Moonbeam has a live updates thread:
http://i-uv.com/hatj-rkb-updates-from-a ... w-1-23-18/
Of note so far:
http://i-uv.com/hatj-rkb-updates-from-a ... w-1-23-18/
Of note so far:
A jury full of financial professionals? That can't be good for our heroes.Interesting jury pool background re: legal, banking, loan officers, stepmom of 1 juror is retired IRS/CE, another works w federal agencies specifically w real estate titles TN Valley Title.
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They need some layabouts like themselves.
At least Randy looks good in his braces and boots suit.
At least Randy looks good in his braces and boots suit.
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A jury has been seated. 12 jurors + 2 alternates. The jurors are 9 females, 5 males. Varlan rejected Heather's latest filings.
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HATJ attempts to get her jibber-jabber "on the record."
http://i-uv.com/hatj-pacer-doc-101-hatj ... s-100-102/
Nunc nunc pro tunc, bananafanna fo func.
http://i-uv.com/hatj-pacer-doc-101-hatj ... s-100-102/
Nunc nunc pro tunc, bananafanna fo func.
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The court rejects Heather's bullshit, she just turns around and files it again. The judge really needs to put a stop to this.
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She's pro se. Let her file.
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Heather has the right to file and the judge has the obligation to rule; and he has...
He dismissed the PRAECIPE
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He dismissed the PRAECIPE
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Dogs chase cars; doesn't mean they know how to drive.Resume wrote:HATJ attempts to get her jibber-jabber "on the record."
http://i-uv.com/hatj-pacer-doc-101-hatj ... s-100-102/
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The IUV people really believe they are witnessing the unfolding of their universal cleansing and unification
I expect no matter what the outcome they will perceive this as an historic event and a victory for the universal janitors
I dont think they are capable of perceiving this as normal people do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gym5KjID29w
I expect no matter what the outcome they will perceive this as an historic event and a victory for the universal janitors
I dont think they are capable of perceiving this as normal people do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gym5KjID29w
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It was a second filing.Athis wrote:Heather has the right to file and the judge has the obligation to rule; and he has...
He dismissed the PRAECIPE
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I think someone already done beat you to it.Gregg wrote:
And finally, if she is, can I run up behind her and whap her on the head with a stupid stick? I'd do this for free.
I suspect that that the "elbow counsel" made their comments known, if asked, and otherwise ignored it, since as has been pointed 1)out time has expired, and 2)as long as there name ISN'T on it they are out of the line of fire. She is literally a day late and a dollar short on that, and so will get to go in to court today, un-praecip-ed.
Her followers are clueless and haven't a hope of being otherwise. They see a new order coming in to being with HAT's revelations, reality sees her crashing and burning.
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Yes Jeanice, it's been thrown out. You can access your TDA account now, and oh, if you see your friend Virginia, tell her there is a Santy Claus.Jeanice Weber says : Reply
January 23, 2018 at 5:40 pm
So what became in the court on this day 1-23-2018 Just wondering , Is it being thrown out?
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Document 101 is just the exact same praecipe with the word “standing” and an arrow pointing to the first paragraph added.
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At what point does this rise to the level of contempt of court? Heather is barred from arguing jurisdiction issues, but that's exactly what these documents do.
ETA: Maybe this is standard for sovcit cases, and the court's just have to address it as it comes.
ETA: Maybe this is standard for sovcit cases, and the court's just have to address it as it comes.
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According to HATJ, she refiled these with the "alleged" clerk of the court to "get them on the record." Sly, huh? Wonder how many smokes she bogarted on lunch?
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IANAL, but I suspect that the court's strategy, which we may see become a key tool in the anti-SovCit toolbox more broadly, is to just rule these motions as untimely and toss them out without having to read them or otherwise treat the contents with any validity.TheNewSaint wrote:At what point does this rise to the level of contempt of court? Heather is barred from arguing jurisdiction issues, but that's exactly what these documents do.
If you read the court's rulings in the 2017 Florida case of pretend "Private Attorney General" Anthony Williams, he filed a ton of crap and the court basically had a paper form where they scribbled in the document number by hand and it merely said "after full consideration of the merits, defendant's motion is DENIED." Like a rubber stamp, basically. No cites, no argument, just "DENIED." We're almost to that point here.
I suspect judges have trial strategy just like the lawyers do. He already knows that Heather has some unusual beliefs. But he probably wants to try to keep things focused on what is at its core a relatively straightforward case with abundant evidence. He doesn't want to let the trial veer into anything where the jury could be confused or where he might be overruled on appeal. If she starts spouting nonsense on the stand, he could see the case overturned for not ordering a competency hearing. Or, worse yet, an acquittal.
He also would probably not want to get into the quagmire of an appeal based on a violation of her right to appear pro se if he slams her and makes her accept counsel.
So I suspect he'll keep letting her get away with this nonsense as long as there's an easy way to dispose of it quickly with rubber-stamp rulings as he did today. I am guessing he's probably saving the threat of contempt if she starts violating the order in limine and testifying about forbidden stuff or bringing it in when she's questioning witnesses.
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https://youtu.be/Ap3U6olcj-4
If you're looking for more crazy, here you go. Those people in the hotel room are damaged, and contributing to that damage are HATJ and that cackling idiot.
What harm does woo do? Just look.
If you're looking for more crazy, here you go. Those people in the hotel room are damaged, and contributing to that damage are HATJ and that cackling idiot.
What harm does woo do? Just look.
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According to BZ's update, not only did they pick the jury but they also had two witnesses testify, might be a quick trial hopefully.