The Tax Denier Dictionary - "Thereof"

[Quixote]

Skankbeat, in a series of posts that, I confess, I have not read in their entireity, explains the "common law meaning" of the terms "United States" and "thereof". It isn't clear whether Skankbeat meant to discuss the common meanings of "United States" and "thereof", and got his nomenclature confused, or actually believed the terms were terms of art at common law.

Skankbeat has re-discovered a grammatical change noted by the historian Shelby Foote.

Before the war, it was said "the United States are." Grammatically, it was spoken that way and thought of as a collection of independent states. And after the war, it was always "the United States is," as we say to day without being self-conscious at all. And that's sums up what the war accomplished. It made us an "is."

Shelby Foote in Ken Burns's The Civil War
Foote did not see the legal ramifications of that change, but then he was not a legal scholar on a par with Skankbeat.

[Cathulhu]

To channel the voice of my late Aunt Lucille--"Honey, ain't nobody who's a legal scholar like Skankbeat. His advice is free, and you get what you paid for."

[The Observer]

Ok, so we have "includes" and "thereof" suffering from twisted interpretations in the Tax Denier Dictionary (TDD). What other words have suffered in the translation?

[Pottapaug1938]

The essence of Skankyboy's comments seem to be that since the 14th amendment refers to persons "born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof", the is a distinction between "natural born" state citizens and "federal citizens", and if you are "subject to the jurisdiction thereof", you are no longer a sovereign, but only a subject.

There may be other points he makes, but these two are wacky enough to make me uninterested in further perusal; but I will note that, like many of his ilk, he seems to have a special reverence for outdated dictionaries, especially legal dictionaries, and an abhorrence of appellate case law.

[grixit]

That's nothing. I once read a bit by a sovereign whose chain perusal of dictionaries led him to the conclusion that "person", "individual" and "human being" all actually meant "serf".

Another decided that a truly specialized meaning of the word "label" was its true meaning. That meaning? An addendum to a will. And therefore, when the 1040 manual instructs you to "attach the label" it's a trick to get you to give up your birthright.

[jg]

Ok, so we have "includes" and "thereof" suffering from twisted interpretations in the Tax Denier Dictionary (TDD). What other words have suffered in the translation?

derived from
person
services
employee/employer
United States
excise
citizen/Citizen
source
sovereign

...and others, no doubt.

[Olsenfin]

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' - Lewis Carroll

[LaVidaRoja]

Humpty-Dumpty was a sovrun!

[Pottapaug1938]

Ok, so we have "includes" and "thereof" suffering from twisted interpretations in the Tax Denier Dictionary (TDD). What other words have suffered in the translation?

derived from
person
services
employee/employer
United States
excise
citizen/Citizen
source
sovereign

...and others, no doubt.

Just find the oldest legal dictionary that is available, and look through the entries. The TDDers treat them as Holy Writ.

[Cathulhu]

One that confuses me; "value added".