Peter of England: A REal guru.

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Re: Peter of England: A REal guru.

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notorial dissent wrote:I would suspect the first klangs of doom, and bounced check notices, will start hitting late next week, that should be about proper turn around time for them to have come back from the depositing banks and the assorted book keeping departments to send notices. Gov't entities may be a bit slower, but probably not by much. Then the fun will really start.
Yes, that sounds about right. Hopefully there's plenty of time until then for the greedy GOOFy fools to 'make payments' by hundreds of their worthless werecheques. The more the better, it will ensure that the authorities act more urgently and firmly.

The really interesting question is whether the Police will investigate it as a criminal matter, or leave it to the banks to clear up the mess. I'm 50/50 on that, I could imagine it going either way.
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I'd think the police would be interested in Peter, he's been selling the damned things to the mugs. I don't know if they would be that interested in following up on a GooF, unless the GooF had tried something that would seem obviously shady (like say Skintbloke giving his wife a cheque for £150k and telling her to pay it in). Peter is however the ringleader of this scam and it is all his idea, plus he's been directly profiting from the sale of these books and accounts with a fictional bank.
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And they can easily acquire multiple check fraud charges, since that is what writing those things is.
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PeanutGallery wrote:I'd think the police would be interested in Peter, he's been selling the damned things to the mugs. I don't know if they would be that interested in following up on a GooF, ......Peter is however the ringleader of this scam and it is all his idea, plus he's been directly profiting from the sale of these books and accounts with a fictional bank.
I agree, but I also believe Mark Haining Ceylon should also be held accountable and also the anonymous bertiebert. It is being heavily promoted on getoutofdebtfree.org by both these clownes and are abbetting the fraud.
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I hope to see weRe bank and freeman legal services on this list one day. Roger Hayes Lawfulbank is on it.
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This is getting wackier and wackier. I nearly sprayed coffee on my monitor.
According to Peter of England, WeRe Bank earns £356 billion per WEEK.

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ArthurWankspittle wrote:This is getting wackier and wackier. I nearly sprayed coffee on my monitor.
According to Peter of England, WeRe Bank earns £356 billion per WEEK.

http://www.werebank.co.uk/currency/war-chest/
War Chest? :haha:
You could buy a country for that money without firing a shot.
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http://www.werebank.co.uk/currency/war-chest/

Peter says that this imaginary income allows the werebank to manage the national economy without any accusations of "financial hocus-pocus”. Well it certainly put my mind at rest...

He also provides photos of the supposed $500 billion US Bonds, which look just the same as all the other counterfeit boxes of bonds which have been sold to fools for decades (Google "mother box fake bonds" and select Images for examples). Some beautiful craftsmanship behind these elaborate frauds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2102800/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17076378
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... lane-crash
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Sounds like the fool got fooled, that imaginary bond scam has been making the rounds in one incarnation or another for the last 30+ years. They are worthless from start to finish, and not even good forgeries according to some of the specialists who have actually seen and handled them. The Italians seized a couple of suitcases full of them about two-three years ago now carried by a couple of Japanese citizens trying to smuggle them through customs, that part never made any sense, even less than the story they told afterwards. US Treasury agents later took charge of them, there was a law suit filed in SDNY about them about a year after and it was a spectacular work of fantasy and entertaining while it lasted.
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wanglepin wrote:I hope to see weRe bank and freeman legal services on this list one day. Roger Hayes Lawfulbank is on it.
http://www.fsa.gov.uk/doing/regulated/l ... d-firms#13
As that page is FSA, and "no longer updated", WeRe is unlikely to be on it. More likely would be the current FCA page: http://www.fca.org.uk/consumers/protect ... s-to-avoid
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Has Peter run into problems with Nationwide ?

http://www.werebank.co.uk/join-2/

Payments appear to be only by paypal now :naughty:
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Whatever happened to the case where Don Johnson was supposedly caught with some ridiculous value in bonds?
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My Favourite part of Peter's video was him being surprised that most of his customers did not know how to fill in a cheque book!!! as these are I expect.... their very first I would have thought it obvious. The next great selling point being that some of the Principals "are not of this planet". All in All these people beggar belief!!.
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A few notable things, Peter claims he wouldn't be doing this for £10 a month, that he could make more money than that doing other things, the first issue I have with this statement is that Peter isn't doing this for £10 a month. He's doing it for £10 times however many suckers he's managed to hook a month, and he wants more suckers because Peter won't let his imaginary cheques be used to pay others debts but will gladly let them pay him £10 for access to his fictional pot of gold.

I'd also say that the more Peter goes on about his bank not being a scam, the more he makes it sound like it is. I do however find myself wavering between whether Peter knows it is a scam or is just a complete idiot.

He does seem to want to keep the scam running as long as possible, even though it is only going to have a short life. As soon as the Cheques get returned, I imagine the scam will start to unravel.
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The way that he's been selling it, he might—MIGHT—think it's not a scam. He might think it really is a way to help those in the know access the value of their bonds, etc., without interference from those spoilsport banks.

I don't have a lot of confidence in that hypothesis, though it may give him an out when the whole scheme implodes in a few weeks.
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First sure fire sign of a scam, someone claiming on their honor and mother's life it isn't a scam.
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In FAQ UPDATE, at 16m 25s:
Once money goes into your account, as far as you are concerned, it only ever goes out again in Re.
There we have it. This has always been implied by Peter, and now he has openly stated it. He will not pay out any sterling. If a sucker uses a cheque to pay his council tax or mortgage, the council or mortgage company won't get any sterling, UK pounds, US dollars or other recognised currency. The best they can hope for is Re units. As Peter has an infinite stock of these, I can believe he would actually "pay" them out to the debtor. He can certainly afford to be generous with something he invented and then creates from thin air. But Re are not convertible to a useful currency, therefore the debtor can't do anything with them, therefore the debtor won't accept them as payment of the debt. Moreover, the debtor is not obliged to accept anything other than legal tender. If he wants to, he can accept cheques or promissory notes or Re units or anything else, but no law compels him to.

If Peter was as competent as he claims, he would have tested the ideas himself. He would have used WeRe cheques to pay bills. But he doesn't claim to have done so, and I suppose he hasn't even tried. Why not? Because he knows they won't work.

It seems to me that Peter knows his cheques won't work. He might want them to work, he may think that in an ideal world they should work, but he knows they won't actually work. Therefore he is knowingly giving false hope to suckers. At the very least, this is morally wrong.

17m 0s:
Question: "Can I sign off a cheque to pay for my friend's water bill, my mother's mortgage etc?" Absolutely not. One or two people, I said initially when they joined that maybe they could, but [now] we stipulate that if that individual can't be prepared to join the movement and pay ten pounds a month to become a member then, to be quite honest, it's a facility that we don't want to entertain. We don't want cheques flying off, people paying off someone else's financial responsibilities. If they join, they can do exactly what you're doing, but as far as we are concerned you do not pay off a third-party's debt liability. And we want to make that perfectly clear.
So cheques can't be used to pay off third-party debts, eg a neighbour's water bill. Why not? Because Peter wants the £10/month from the neighbour. Peter is very clear on this. Real-world cheques and bank accounts can be used for this purpose. No one would have any problems with me paying my neighbour's water bill from my conventional bank account. But Peter expressly forbids this. (I have no idea how he thinks he could police it.)

This is Peter's greed, pure and simple. He wants the neighbour's £10/month, plus £0.50 per cheque. He won't pay out any sterling, but claims his system will pay debts.

He even claims in that video that his system can pay entire mortgages, within £150,000.

His claims are manifestly false. In my opinion, he knows they are false and his only defence to charges of fraud would be terminal stupidity.


I'll give Peter credit for one thing. He seems to have removed from his website (including PDFs) all references to his personal Nationwide Building Society account.
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littleFred wrote: His claims are manifestly false. In my opinion, he knows they are false and his only defence to charges of fraud would be terminal stupidity.
I first ran into Peter of England about three or four years ago. He was promoting A4V at the time. I posted some comments on his videos and he responded. The opinion I formed about Peter of England then, based on his comments, hasn't changed over the years. My opinion then was the same as it is now. Peter of England is not the full ticket.
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littleFred wrote:
Once money goes into your account, as far as you are concerned, it only ever goes out again in Re.
There we have it. This has always been implied by Peter, and now he has openly stated it. He will not pay out any sterling. If a sucker uses a cheque to pay his council tax or mortgage, the council or mortgage company won't get any sterling, UK pounds, US dollars or other recognised currency. The best they can hope for is Re units.
Hmmm. So what is he telling the suckers/morons to write on the cheques? Let's say I am paying this year's Council Tax. So I'd write:

Concreteville MBC
One thousand five hundred pounds only

Or do I write

One thousand five hundred Re units only

I think it would be legal to write a cheque in another currency, receiving the proceeds in the local currency after conversion and fees by the processing bank(s). But here the exchange rate is in the order of £10 to 150,000 Re Units. Assuming Re Units exist. I'd ask the lawyers on here who would you rather defend? An accused who wrote a cheque in pounds thinking they had access to hundreds of thousands of pounds, or an accused who wrote a cheque in a currency that doesn't exist.
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