Tobe Hayden Lee - Kent Renegade Loses 2 Houses

[aesmith]

Should the Tobe stuff be moved to a new thread?

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Besides, the crazies have a tendency to believe that every word in the English language has one and only one meaning. Of course governments are corporations. They're not the same type of corporation as, say, General Motors or Microsoft, but they are still corporations. There are many types of corporations. IANAL but, even I can think of at least six different types.

And local councils are still corporations in the older sense, incorporated under royal charter (although this is done via statute now). It used to be explicitly in their name (you can still see artifacts of this on older drain covers) but the dead giveaway is that current council forward planning documents are still called corporate plans.

[longdog]

I'm just old enough to still think of the bin wagon that comes every Tuesday as being the Corporation Dustcart.

[wserra]

Besides, the crazies have a tendency to believe that every word in the English language has one and only one meaning.

And that meaning is what they want it to be - which may not bear any relationship to an actual meaning.

"When I use a word", Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean".

[Firthy2002]

Should the Tobe stuff be moved to a new thread?

I think it's a justified split given it's gone a bit quiet on the Crabbie front right now whereas THL continues to make a fool of himself on the daily.

[John Uskglass]

God loves a trier!

https://www.youtube.com/@RepoFraud

Minutes of harmless fun with THL as he continues with his quixotic campaign.

[wserra]

Should the Tobe stuff be moved to a new thread?

I think it's a justified split given it's gone a bit quiet on the Crabbie front right now whereas THL continues to make a fool of himself on the daily.

If that's the consensus, somebody post a title for the new thread and identify the posts that should be in it (either individually or "all posts from X onwards"), and I'll take care of it. Recall that the first post of the new thread will be the earliest of the moved posts.

[carobee57]

[carobee57]

Bless him, he really thinks they're going to give him his house back. Popcorn at the ready for 4.30

[hucknallred]

The FB group failings of fmotl is pretty much all THL stuff currently and a good place for updates.

Public group, no entrance exam but post approval is temporarily switched on.
THL did drop in but was kicked when he started calling detractors nonces.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1861537 ... ?ref=share

[hucknallred]

Seems he's in court tomorrow 28/2/25 for criminal damage. I see it's Crab Bait who has logged into Courtserve for him.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Seems he's in court tomorrow 28/2/25 for criminal damage.

I couldn't view the whole of the Facebook video because I don't have an FB account but he may have a point if what he's saying is true. It's a summary only offence so, barring unusual circumstances, CPS has a 6 month time limit. If, as he claims, the offence was last March charging him in December would be way past that, so we could see a Pyrrhic victory here.

Of course, the caveat is that he's an inveterate liar so could be spouting rubbish and it's a separate incident he's being charged for.

[carobee57]

I did wonder if the police knew this would be the outcome but just used it as means to an end so that they could get tobe out of the house. An nfa would be a hollow victory for him as it nothing to do with the legitimate repossession of his property. He has posted a picture of himself and cabbie outside his still.locked up former home. Not sure of his next step, possibly a Crawford style roof protest. Needless to say he is refusing to confirm that he has been told that the house has been sold

[kindregards]

The time limit depends on when the prosecution was brought before the magistrates. If the evidence was sent to magistrates before the six month time limit it does not matter when the first hearing takes place.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

The time limit depends on when the prosecution was brought before the magistrates. If the evidence was sent to magistrates before the six month time limit it does not matter when the first hearing takes place.

Isn't laid before the magistrates contemporaneous with being charged or summonsed (or at least around the same time)? He appeared to say that he was charged in December and the offence was in March but I cannot replay the video to confirm whether what I think I heard is accurate. Maybe someone else with a Facebook account could.

He could also be lying but it would seem to be an abuse of process if you could bring a prosecution to the magistrates then wait at the CPS's leisure before finally charging someone on a summary offence to get around the law.

[SpearGrass]

Criminal damage isn't a summary only offence, it's a hybrid offence ("Certain offences triable either way to be tried summarily if value involved is small") and so there is no time limit. Interpretation Act 1978 Schedule 1:

In the above definitions [sc. of offences triable on indictment, either way, or summarily] references to the way or ways in which an offence is triable are to be construed without regard to the effect, if any, of section 22 of the Magistrates' Courts Act 1980 [hybrid offences] on the mode of trial in a particular case.

For summary offences, the time limit runs from the date of the offence to the date the prosecutor issued the requisition or applied for the summons, laid the information, or the first hearing if the defendant is produced in custody or on bail.

Whatever, there's no time limit in Mr H-L's case.

[carobee57]

Apparently he is now admitting that the house has been sold!

[Footloose52]

Seems he's in court tomorrow 28/2/25 for criminal damage.

I couldn't view the whole of the Facebook video because I don't have an FB account but he may have a point if what he's saying is true. It's a summary only offence so, barring unusual circumstances, CPS has a 6 month time limit. If, as he claims, the offence was last March charging him in December would be way past that, so we could see a Pyrrhic victory here.

Of course, the caveat is that he's an inveterate liar so could be spouting rubbish and it's a separate incident he's being charged for.

Are you sure it's a summary offence? All I can find says criminal damage isn't a summary offence so there is no time limit on prosecution, at least in theory. Granted under £5000 damage can be treated as a summary offence it seems the time limit doesn't apply.

From the CPS website - https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/a ... l-sentence

Offences requiring particular care

Criminal damage: see section 22 MCA 1980. Although triable either way, for the purposes of allocation, a charge contrary to section 1 Criminal Damage Act 1971 shall be treated as if it were summary only where the value is less than £5,000, save in cases involving arson or memorials.

Shoplifting: see section 22A MCA 1980. Although triable either way, shoplifting offences contrary to section 1 Theft Act 1968 involving goods of low value (currently no more than £200) are to be treated as summary only for the purposes of allocation subject to the defendant having the right to elect Crown Court trial.

In both cases the 6 month time-limit to lay an information or to charge in section 127 MCA 1980 does not therefore apply when charging criminal damage or theft.

[John Uskglass]

Duplicate info re CPS guidelines deleted.

I did think plod would go out of their way to make sure that someone as litigious as THL didn't get off on a technicality.

[carobee57]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1XQ1P63XzC/
Bless him, the house is sold but he says he doesn't care, he's still winning