UK - Neelu Berry opens my eyes

[longdog]

"The bail relates to a disputed Order"

Unfortunately for Neelu and Sabine court order is a court order until it's revoked and even if it is revoked it doesn't affect your legal culpability if you previously breached it.

[The Seventh String]

There's a picture of him floating about pointing a shot gun at the camera. The police were looking for the gun and I'm guessing it escalated from there. They wouldn't keep him in if they didn't think he was a risk to himself or the public

An unlicensed shotgun can attract quite a prison sentence. If taken somewhere public without it being suitably covered, or onto premises or land without the occupier’s consent there’s also the possibility of a charge of “armed trespass”.

I suspect sustained use of 'super-strength' skunk cannabis at work, increasingly found as the weed of choice amongst the spliffer-arti ensuring MH professionals won't ever be out of work.

[/quote]

How to put this diplomatically....

Let’s say perhaps you should consider regarding some moral panics with a very large pinch of salt. Gin is stronger than beer, but people (generally) therefore consume it in smaller quantities.

Not that alcohol in quantity is a good idea for many people with mental health problems such as schizophrenia or depression. It’s a highly addictive depressant with some very unpleasant potential side effects.

[TheNewSaint]

Anyone else find it odd that they arrested Sabine for violating the Hampstead court order, but not Neelu? She's been yacking about it just as much, from what I've seen.

[SteveUK]

Sabine has also earned herself free bed and breakfast for 2 weeks,

https://hoaxteadresearch.wordpress.com/ ... -19-march/

[King Lud]

I think Sabine has been arrested a couple of times since her case with Neelu where they were both given the same bail conditions. Sabine has just continually flaunted them until they eventually tagged her and put her under curfew. She still continued to make a nuisance of herself so they ended up putting her in custody till her court date on 19 March. I hope she gets a few years to add to it. Like all of that mob she's a vile human being.

Neelu has made a few Facebook posts and ranted a bit but seems to have backed off from direct action. She's quite capable of making rational decisions when the chips are down.

[Zeke_the_Meek]

After she told the Psychiatrist that she was a qualified pharmacist who specialised in Mental Health and was an Expert in two reports of criminal cover-up by the NHS Trusts, Police, Coroner and the law courts, he decided there were no mental health issues.

How is that psychiatrist still allowed to practice?

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Anyone else find it odd that they arrested Sabine for violating the Hampstead court order, but not Neelu? She's been yacking about it just as much, from what I've seen.

Reading between the lines at Hoaxtead, it's likely that her attendance at the recent CoE event raised her head above the parapet and resulted in an additional charge to go with the 19 previous. At which point she was under closer scrutiny.

Neelu has, in general, just continued with her online harassment to a small audience, which the police have better things than to monitor on a daily basis. I would hope though that she entered dangerous territory with her phone calls.

[longdog]

After she told the Psychiatrist that she was a qualified pharmacist who specialised in Mental Health and was an Expert in two reports of criminal cover-up by the NHS Trusts, Police, Coroner and the law courts, he decided there were no mental health issues.

How is that psychiatrist still allowed to practice?

Neelu is assuming that her delusional ramblings had some sort of effect and her claim the psychiatrist found there were no mental health issues should be taken with the same massive pinch of salt as everything else she says. I suspect the truth is that the shrink thought she was nuts but didn't fall within any category which would legally warrant her being sectioned.

Whilst she is obviously delusional, and a massive pain in the arse to anybody who offers her any real or imagined slight, that's not enough to get you sectioned. In these days of inadequate MH provision it probably wouldn't be enough for a voluntary admission but then if you realised you were delusional you probably wouldn't be delusional.

Some years back I attended an appointment with my psychiatric nurse only to be met by him and two psychiatrists... Pretty obviously they were considering sectioning me but they didn't. The lack of a section didn't mean I wasn't quite badly ill, I clearly was, but I wasn't over the threshold. Admittedly I was prepared to work with them as an out-patient and had good insight but 'not being sectioned' is not even close to being the same thing as 'sane'.

[AndyPandy]

A friend's 15 year old daughter kept harming herself, having to be rushed twice for stomach pump and then emergency surgery after slitting her wrists, she's now been sectioned for 6 months and under 24/7 obs.

It's not something they do lightly as not only is it traumatic for the patient, there's a massive cost involved, it's only when someone's a danger to themselves or others.

[notorial dissent]

I don't think she really qualifies for sectioning, but that doesn't mean she isn't several fries short a Happy Meal. She does warrant being locked up though.

[notorial dissent]

I don't think she really qualifies for sectioning, but that doesn't mean she isn't several fries short a Happy Meal. She does warrant being locked up though.

[MaritalArtist]

"Adam has millions of supporters"
And 2 Youtube subscribers.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdx0EN ... TpO2K5Y_lA

[Siegfried Shrink]

I looked at one of his videos and he did not strike me as unstable or crazy. A bit boring which may account for the 2 subscribers, but compared to Neelu, for example, quite normal.

[exiledscouser]

The Seventh String wrote;
How to put this diplomatically....

Let’s say perhaps you should consider regarding some moral panics with a very large pinch of salt. Gin is stronger than beer, but people (generally) therefore consume it in smaller quantities.

Not that alcohol in quantity is a good idea for many people with mental health problems such as schizophrenia or depression. It’s a highly addictive depressant with some very unpleasant potential side effects.

I think current peer-reviewed research is a little more informative than moral panics.

Take this 2017 research paper "Cannabis use Across Europe: A Ticket to Psychosis?"

Background: The risk of individuals having adverse effects from drug use (eg, alcohol, tobacco) generally depends on the frequency of use and potency of the drug used. The risk of individuals having a psychotic disorder showed a roughly 3 times increase in users of skunk-like/high potency cannabis and over 5 times in daily users of high potency cannabis compared with those who never used cannabis.

Or perhaps "Lower-Risk Cannabis Use Guidelines: A Comprehensive Update of Evidence and Recommendations"

We developed 10 major recommendations for lower-risk use: (1) the most effective way to avoid cannabis use–related health risks is abstinence, (2) avoid early age initiation of cannabis use (i.e., definitively before the age of 16 years), (3) choose low-potency tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or balanced THC-to-cannabidiol (CBD)–ratio cannabis products, (4) abstain from using synthetic cannabinoids, (5) avoid combusted cannabis inhalation and give preference to nonsmoking use methods, (6) avoid deep or other risky inhalation practices, (7) avoid high-frequency (e.g., daily or near-daily) cannabis use, (8) abstain from cannabis-impaired driving, (9) populations at higher risk for cannabis use–related health problems should avoid use altogether, and (10) avoid combining previously mentioned risk behaviors (e.g., early initiation and high-frequency use).

Finally "Traditional marijuana, high-potency cannabis and synthetic cannabinoids: increasing risk for psychosis"

Epidemiological evidence demonstrates that cannabis use is associated with an increased risk of psychotic outcomes, and confirms a dose-response relationship between the level of use and the risk of later psychosis. High-potency cannabis and synthetic cannabinoids carry the greatest risk.

Try as I might I have been unable to locate a scholarly, peer-reviewed article that suggests that frequent use of high potency cannabis is in any way beneficial to mental health although Dodgy Dave who hangs about near the all-night kebab house swears by it and I'm sure there isn't a disease, plague or syndrome that Ceylon can't cure with it. But to be fair comparing Skunk with Gin isn't really comparing like with like. The current Mrs. Scouser is partial to a Brockmans with Fentimans Elderflower tonic and whilst she can be on occasion grumpy and irrational, I think the timings indicate that other factors might be in play......

I have to admit to speculating in any event as there is no evidence to support the supposition that Mr. Mustafa is a user of psychotropic substances of this (or indeed, any) type, other than witnessed in his self-filmed videos where he displays increasingly erratic borderline psychotic behaviour.

Rather more empirically though I have managed to track down a copy of a photo of him in possession of a shotgun mentioned above, the one most likely to have brought the police to his door looking for one. The cops came looking for a Section 1 firearm but as many will know, a shotgun, although requiring a licence to own and possess in normal circumstances isn't S1.



Whatever its status, I'm sure anyone faced with the above wouldn't be pondering the legal niceties as to the status of the weapon pointing at their face!

I do wish Neelu, passionate as she is about things, would find someone less a danger to himself and the wider world at large to champion.

[Siegfried Shrink]

Why would anyone mount a sight on a shotgun?. Even usinng rifled slugs which are probably very difficult if not impossible to acquire in the UK, the shotgun is not a precision weapon. Typically, even with a full choke barrel, dispersion of the shot of whatever size (apart from fifled slugs) averages one inch per yard so at 30 yards you get peppered with birdshot, not blasted.

[longdog]

That doesn't look like a shotgun to me. Bolt action shotguns are a thing and low powered scopes on shotguns are also a thing if you're shooting rifled slug but together in the UK where slug ammunition is Section 1 FAC? That's something I never saw in all my years shooting.

That gun also appears to have a silencer on it which appears to be at least an order of magnitude too small to be effective for a 12 bore or even a 20 bore.... .410 perhaps but who in their right mind uses a scoped, silenced, bolt action .410? That doesn't make sense. If you can get an FAC to buy .410 slug you might as well get an FAC for a rifle that will do any job a .410 slug can do a hundred times better.

I'm pretty good at identifying guns but that picture is baffling. If somebody held a gun to my head (ha-ha) and forced me to guess I'd guess it was an air rifle but its odd looks would probably baffle a cop too so I can see why they'd treat it as a potential S1 firearm.

[Burnaby49]

I have little background in guns but I'll hazard a guess. Looks like an old single-shot bolt action I had as a kid with some kind fake silencer (just a metal tube) stuck on the end. The 'silencer' doesn't seem to be aligned with the direction of the rifle barrel, seems a little askew to the right.

[Pottapaug1938]

This picture reminds me of the picture of Patricia Hearst after she was brainwashed into becoming "Tania". She is holding some sort of rifle with a banana clip -- and a HUGE scope on top; and she is staring vacantly off into space.

I never thought much of the Symbionese Liberation Squad -- excuse me, "Army"; but this picture made it clear that the military knowledge of the squad (whoops, again -- army members) must have been gleaned from those World War II comic books readby so many American boys in the 50s and 60s.

[Siegfried Shrink]

Blowing up the picture a bit I thought I could see what looked like an ejection port on one side, then another look showed a similar feature on the other side and both are forward of where the chamber would be and also partially blocked by his fingers, and also out of place on a bolt action weapon. (lets not be calling a shotgun a 'rifle' please). The thing looks increasingly like a fantasy piece.

The police are notorious for mistaking almost anything for a firearm. There are many permissable firearms that do not need a FAC at all, because the ammunition is obsolete or indeed b;ack powder and a ball.Crush them all, is the probable approach, and let god sort them out.

Sometimes it is inevitable that a legal object of gun like form may lead to a fatal shooting of the holder, but under non emergency situations the competence of the average policeman when it comes to gun identification and the many exempt wepons is rather poor. So much to learn, so little time.

[The Seventh String]

I'm pretty good at identifying guns but that picture is baffling. If somebody held a gun to my head (ha-ha) and forced me to guess I'd guess it was an air rifle but its odd looks would probably baffle a cop too so I can see why they'd treat it as a potential S1 firearm.

I very much doubt it’s a shotgun as well. The photo’s distorted so the bore can’t be guessed at so can’t be 100% certain of course. I wonder if the distortion and shadow which makes the muzzle end look deeper than it is wide led the police to conclude it might be an over and under double barrel? But with a bolt? And a scope? Mind you some people will fit anything to anything if they think it makes them look like a gangster.

I’d go with it possibly being an air rifle, one that’s a visually realistic copy of a bolt-action historic rifle.

Or maybe an airsoft BB gun (for the uninitiated they fire light plastic balls and are designed to be safe to shoot your mates with). “Realistic” ones (i.e. not in a bright colour not associated with actual firearms) have some tight legal restrictions on who can have them.