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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
As Arthur points out, Morocco is a MUCH better off third world country, if that, has had a much longer period of contact with the west, and has long ago discovered the value in taking full advantage of the tourist trade from Europe, so long as they are willing to spend lots of money, ignore the locals, and not scare the horses, or maybe it is camels, never sure which, and at least make an appearance of not offending local religious customs and rules. The problem that Heather and company will soon face is that the economic value they bring to the area will not exceed the level of annoyance they generate just by being and doing, and will at that point find themselves VERY unwelcome guests. The question is how long will they be able to maintain the balance?
The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.
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A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing?LightinDarkness wrote:The more they post about the QEG the more I am convinced this is technology cargo cult worship. Read here:
http://sitsshow.blogspot.com/2014/05/st ... day-9.html
This supposedly has "comments from an engineer" - do we have anyone here that has a engineering background to decipher this? I am wondering if the comments are the equivalent of sov'run gibberish in legal filings - they appear to indicate something, but anyone who knows the language can tell its basically made up.
What they reported was that their generator put out 35% of the energy that came in, but hey, it's not in tune yet. The good news is they got capacitors and aren't afraid to use them! They also got a big ass probe (for high voltages, higher than they'll ever get) and an oscilloscope trace!
It's not so much gibberish, as the testimony of a believer (see their blog's other entries) who can make at least somewhat valid measurements but is blinded by all the DOing and BEing. And he's moving to Morocco! I'm sure with his help, someday they'll be able to find an excuse why it doesn't actually generate power! Unless of course he gets QEGged out.
Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow ...
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In one sense, they are telling the truth, sort of. The thing does actually generate power, but so does my car's alternator. The capacitors store power, and give it back when the circuit is switched. Doesn't alter the fact that it will never give back more than it has taken from the grid, and will never give back what has been taken from the grid due to inertial losses that can't be overcome. No matter how many good "vibes" are sent at it or how much tinsel and pretty bits they put on the housing, it will never be self sustaining or put out as much as was put in to it.
The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
LiD:
That's one 'HOT' engineer with a name like Jalepeno, puns aside however, all he is doing is pushing HopeGirl as the next great hope for humanity without truly understanding what they are doing. I would venture a guess that the guy's only Engineering degree is from a Cracker Jack box and doesn't have a clue what a Capacitor is really used for.
I grew up around all these neat components, my father was an EE and designed control systems for Power Plants (real ones like Coal and Nuclear) so I just have to sit back and laugh at the sheer absurdity of these "fine tuned instruments' and wonder which one of the gang is going to be the first to be brought out, stripped naked and shot in the town square for duping these poor people...
That's one 'HOT' engineer with a name like Jalepeno, puns aside however, all he is doing is pushing HopeGirl as the next great hope for humanity without truly understanding what they are doing. I would venture a guess that the guy's only Engineering degree is from a Cracker Jack box and doesn't have a clue what a Capacitor is really used for.
I grew up around all these neat components, my father was an EE and designed control systems for Power Plants (real ones like Coal and Nuclear) so I just have to sit back and laugh at the sheer absurdity of these "fine tuned instruments' and wonder which one of the gang is going to be the first to be brought out, stripped naked and shot in the town square for duping these poor people...
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I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that they haven't informed anyone in the village of their plans to build a free energy powered water pump. None of these idiots speaks Arabic, unless I've missed an update I haven't seen any videos of them speaking with the local community leaders sharing their plans. My bet is they've been hanging out, drugged out of their minds, doing not much else.JennyD wrote:which one of the gang is going to be the first to be brought out, stripped naked and shot in the town square for duping these poor people...
By my count nobody in the OPPT crew has had a job in at least 3 years, if not more. There is no "economic value" to them being there.the economic value they bring to the area
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"I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that they haven't informed anyone in the village of their plans to build a free energy powered water pump. None of these idiots speaks Arabic..."
Sure.
The idea of the Water Pump - is there are a rationale for Fund-raising. So there is no need to speak arabic or talk to anyone in the local community, unless it helps the fund-raising effort. Hope seems pretty single-minded, and never, never stops promoting, except when she is over-promoting. Her switch has two setting: ON and OVERDRIVE. (there may be a fast sleep setting too, but there's no real evidence for that, which I have seen.)
"the economic value they bring to the area..."
Those selling drugs, must be very happy to see so many new customers who are not familiar with the local pricing and quality conventions, and can be induced to pay more.
Sure.
The idea of the Water Pump - is there are a rationale for Fund-raising. So there is no need to speak arabic or talk to anyone in the local community, unless it helps the fund-raising effort. Hope seems pretty single-minded, and never, never stops promoting, except when she is over-promoting. Her switch has two setting: ON and OVERDRIVE. (there may be a fast sleep setting too, but there's no real evidence for that, which I have seen.)
"the economic value they bring to the area..."
Those selling drugs, must be very happy to see so many new customers who are not familiar with the local pricing and quality conventions, and can be induced to pay more.
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
Shane Bennett's latest video appears to suggest that he is appealing his home's foreclosure to the Supreme Court (or whatever Canada's equivalent is). In preparation he's dropped a hundred bucks on an annotated copy of the court rules. I left a comment trying to explain why his new argument based on a misinterpretation of "consent judgment" is wrong. My guess is it won't help.
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
THE FUTURE of One People
From QEG to Viagra
The One People show
( http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thecollect ... one-people )
is now busy selling the concept that you can help "Save the World" by sending money to the Sex-Drug-Tour people in Morocco to build their community. They need to have an improved internet connection, so they can sell their dodgy concepts more widely. You can also help Hopegirl and her team fly more engineers around the world, and get more capacitors from Taiwan (or wherever they are built.)
How will this help the world?
There may be more home-made videos of machines reaching "resonance". And that brings loud cheers, from people who have no idea what over-unity means, and also attracts some shining orbs in the middle of the night.
Is there a long term plan?
OP may launch more bogus ideas in the future, mystifying those who are still thankful to Heather for "foreclosing on the banks" - but apart from that we have not heard much clear "visioning" about the long term ideas of their community. Perhaps the best way to find out, is to look at the track record. Virtually everything they have done has proven to a failure. One area that was not was the 5-D Forum:
Link: http://tinyurl.com/5d-Forum
Originally, this is where the Dream Team would answer the questions that people had about the OPPT and Heather's documents. It has (apparently) morphed into a "thriving" business of another type. A sort of huge wailing wall for online sellers of pirate drugs.
Fake drug sellers from all over the worldwide web are dumping their ads there.
Examples:
"Viagra Soft Flavoured fast, orders Viagra Soft Flavoured, Viagra Soft Flavoured "
"Purchase Norvasc Online Over The Counter, Norvasc Cheap No Prescription Shipped"
Maybe this is what will happen in Morocco. People may go there to make, sell, and use Viagra. The Magical-Sex-Bus-Tour can stop touring, and get busy with activities that OP supporters really want - the One People can "follow their passion" for depravity. Victory to the Light!
From QEG to Viagra
The One People show
( http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thecollect ... one-people )
is now busy selling the concept that you can help "Save the World" by sending money to the Sex-Drug-Tour people in Morocco to build their community. They need to have an improved internet connection, so they can sell their dodgy concepts more widely. You can also help Hopegirl and her team fly more engineers around the world, and get more capacitors from Taiwan (or wherever they are built.)
How will this help the world?
There may be more home-made videos of machines reaching "resonance". And that brings loud cheers, from people who have no idea what over-unity means, and also attracts some shining orbs in the middle of the night.
Is there a long term plan?
OP may launch more bogus ideas in the future, mystifying those who are still thankful to Heather for "foreclosing on the banks" - but apart from that we have not heard much clear "visioning" about the long term ideas of their community. Perhaps the best way to find out, is to look at the track record. Virtually everything they have done has proven to a failure. One area that was not was the 5-D Forum:
Link: http://tinyurl.com/5d-Forum
Originally, this is where the Dream Team would answer the questions that people had about the OPPT and Heather's documents. It has (apparently) morphed into a "thriving" business of another type. A sort of huge wailing wall for online sellers of pirate drugs.
Fake drug sellers from all over the worldwide web are dumping their ads there.
Examples:
"Viagra Soft Flavoured fast, orders Viagra Soft Flavoured, Viagra Soft Flavoured "
"Purchase Norvasc Online Over The Counter, Norvasc Cheap No Prescription Shipped"
Maybe this is what will happen in Morocco. People may go there to make, sell, and use Viagra. The Magical-Sex-Bus-Tour can stop touring, and get busy with activities that OP supporters really want - the One People can "follow their passion" for depravity. Victory to the Light!
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
Update on yet another OPPT "success story." Brian Kelly and the other OPPT gurus trumpeted this big time last year when a women claimed have gotten her house free and clear using OPPT gibberish documents. Of course, if you read the lien release, it looks like the bank with the lien just gave upon trying to collect because it was trying to get blood out of a turnip and the document specifically says she still has a mortgage and owes on it (VICTORY?!).
http://briankellysblog.blogspot.com/201 ... 69221.html
But I noticed a recent comment from December 2013 at the bottom of the post - Shirley has another lien on her property again for, it looks like, an unpaid tax again this time. How could this be if the courtesy notice is real? Interesting that Brian Kelly didn't update this OPPT success story...I wonder why?
http://briankellysblog.blogspot.com/201 ... 69221.html
But I noticed a recent comment from December 2013 at the bottom of the post - Shirley has another lien on her property again for, it looks like, an unpaid tax again this time. How could this be if the courtesy notice is real? Interesting that Brian Kelly didn't update this OPPT success story...I wonder why?
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
LightinDarkness wrote:Update on yet another OPPT "success story." Brian Kelly and the other OPPT gurus trumpeted this big time last year when a women claimed have gotten her house free and clear using OPPT gibberish documents. Of course, if you read the lien release, it looks like the bank with the lien just gave upon trying to collect because it was trying to get blood out of a turnip and the document specifically says she still has a mortgage and owes on it (VICTORY?!).
http://briankellysblog.blogspot.com/201 ... 69221.html
But I noticed a recent comment from December 2013 at the bottom of the post - Shirley has another lien on her property again for, it looks like, an unpaid tax again this time. How could this be if the courtesy notice is real? Interesting that Brian Kelly didn't update this OPPT success story...I wonder why?
They will not update "success stories" whens something goes wrong because it makes them look foolish when something doesn't end up working in the end. If they do decide to update a failure, it always takes the form of "See we were right the cabal is trying everything to keep your value" et al, ad nauseum ...
and of course they end it all with Nunc Pro Dorkus, PIzza PIzza..
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
(Some duplication here - but you might get some more detail from this):
Not much news from The One People recently.
Last podcast is dated 12/13 May 2014
MP3 : http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thecollect ... d=download
Hear the story of L., who:
"Before she got here, wanted to do a million things, and hit the ground running.
Now that she's here, she just wants to... relax."
Brian also says:
"I still want to stay involved in the QEG... but I don't really have an engineering mindset...
Resonance has been achieved, what we need now is over-unity... Jamie's in the garage, he's been given solitude."
So Brian's got another project in mind: A holistic cure institute.
"I become aware of various exotic cures... cannabis oil is one of them...
Morocco is very rich... in, eh, hemp farms."
"It sounds like it would be extremely fulfilling to get involved..."
"We need the right place, and the right supply lines... funders need to come forward..."
Not much news from The One People recently.
Last podcast is dated 12/13 May 2014
MP3 : http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thecollect ... d=download
Hear the story of L., who:
"Before she got here, wanted to do a million things, and hit the ground running.
Now that she's here, she just wants to... relax."
Brian also says:
"I still want to stay involved in the QEG... but I don't really have an engineering mindset...
Resonance has been achieved, what we need now is over-unity... Jamie's in the garage, he's been given solitude."
So Brian's got another project in mind: A holistic cure institute.
"I become aware of various exotic cures... cannabis oil is one of them...
Morocco is very rich... in, eh, hemp farms."
"It sounds like it would be extremely fulfilling to get involved..."
"We need the right place, and the right supply lines... funders need to come forward..."
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
I suppose everyone is to busy getting high in Morocco? There have been VERY few posts from D of the removing the shackles chief OPPT propaganda blog either...
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
The LONG term value of OPPT Remedies
Kerry says : June 26, 2014 at 9:56 pm
I followed all the procedures of the OPPT documents for a period of 2 years fighting the legal system and my rights only to find that NONE OF IT IS RECOGNIZED in a court room and our corrupt leaders just end up punishing you twice as hard for fighting back. So, 6 months in jail I have just served for something that would of been a slap on the wrist but because I chose to follow the path of OPPT I got fucked up the ass that hard. Unless you people putting out this information have something concrete that works don’t fucken advertise it as you are just ruining peoples lives giving them false illusions that they can beat such a corrupt system that has been in place for years.
> http://i-uv.com/oppt-absolute/#comment-113578
Yeah. Right.
It is because "corrupt leaders... fight back", that these remedies did not work.
Their complete ineffectiveness has nothing to do with the fact that OPPT was a complete and utter scam from odd beginning to tragic end.
Heather's a hero. The Dream team were saviors.
Kerry says : June 26, 2014 at 9:56 pm
I followed all the procedures of the OPPT documents for a period of 2 years fighting the legal system and my rights only to find that NONE OF IT IS RECOGNIZED in a court room and our corrupt leaders just end up punishing you twice as hard for fighting back. So, 6 months in jail I have just served for something that would of been a slap on the wrist but because I chose to follow the path of OPPT I got fucked up the ass that hard. Unless you people putting out this information have something concrete that works don’t fucken advertise it as you are just ruining peoples lives giving them false illusions that they can beat such a corrupt system that has been in place for years.
> http://i-uv.com/oppt-absolute/#comment-113578
Yeah. Right.
It is because "corrupt leaders... fight back", that these remedies did not work.
Their complete ineffectiveness has nothing to do with the fact that OPPT was a complete and utter scam from odd beginning to tragic end.
Heather's a hero. The Dream team were saviors.
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
The OPPT is trying to rename themselves as the OPC
Isn't it time we LABELLED THEM accurately ?
BEE-ing = Stinging people, taking their money, for scammy projects
DO-ing . = Leaving a trail of B.S. (total nonsense: "horsefeathers")
The great renaming...
"I was prompted to come to Morocco and join with the One People's
'Community' , a word that is under continual reassessment and
definition, because of a consciousness shared via the many online
radio shows. As I entered this world of hope, dreams and imaginings a
pandora's box awaited each and every individual. How one related to
this box was the variety of perspectives to be revealed.
Upon arrival in Aouchtam, Morocco, it was only 1 week before the QEG
Project was to be launched. As a result 60-70 people were due to
arrive. Very shortly before this event Wayne, Lisa and Whitney had
boldly signed their names to a 1 year lease of what is presently
referred to as The Sanctuary, Consciousness Clubhouse and The
Compound. Alongside this bold action Brian and Jorge had signed a 1
year lease to what is commonly referred to as the Front or Seaside
Apartments. There was preparation for the many that would need
housing, cooking ware, blankets, towels, etc.
As a result of the QEG on the heels of The Sanctuary bee-ing embraced
the core group, Lisa, Brian, Bob and Whitney, directed their attention
to the needs of the upcoming event and the original vision of The
Sanctuary was put on a back burner."
Still like a religious cult:
"The OPC perspective does not offer the new paradigm unless everyone
involved in the OP community understands and implements what it means
to act from the "I Am". I believe this discrepancy is what emerged as
we arrived in Aouchtam, Morocco. What clearly presented itself was the
remnants of the old paradigm versus the new one..."
. . .
"When our beautiful hosts of the One People Radio Shows came forth,
along with the introduction of Heather Tucci-Jarraf*, we were
introduced or rather re-introduced to a vocabulary and language of our
"I Am", One Source, Eternal Essence. Documents were presented in what
we referred to as a sort of "divine language" an "I Am" language. And
as many of you know, especially those of you who chose to come to
Aouchtam, this topic went viral. The 5D Media Network ( recently
repurposed as The One Network) delved into the materials presented by
Heather and thus opened an ongoing dialogue with the online community."
+ source: http://briankellysblog.blogspot.hk/2014 ... chive.html
*Heather's new name is: Heather Gibberish-Speaker
Isn't it time we LABELLED THEM accurately ?
BEE-ing = Stinging people, taking their money, for scammy projects
DO-ing . = Leaving a trail of B.S. (total nonsense: "horsefeathers")
The great renaming...
"I was prompted to come to Morocco and join with the One People's
'Community' , a word that is under continual reassessment and
definition, because of a consciousness shared via the many online
radio shows. As I entered this world of hope, dreams and imaginings a
pandora's box awaited each and every individual. How one related to
this box was the variety of perspectives to be revealed.
Upon arrival in Aouchtam, Morocco, it was only 1 week before the QEG
Project was to be launched. As a result 60-70 people were due to
arrive. Very shortly before this event Wayne, Lisa and Whitney had
boldly signed their names to a 1 year lease of what is presently
referred to as The Sanctuary, Consciousness Clubhouse and The
Compound. Alongside this bold action Brian and Jorge had signed a 1
year lease to what is commonly referred to as the Front or Seaside
Apartments. There was preparation for the many that would need
housing, cooking ware, blankets, towels, etc.
As a result of the QEG on the heels of The Sanctuary bee-ing embraced
the core group, Lisa, Brian, Bob and Whitney, directed their attention
to the needs of the upcoming event and the original vision of The
Sanctuary was put on a back burner."
Still like a religious cult:
"The OPC perspective does not offer the new paradigm unless everyone
involved in the OP community understands and implements what it means
to act from the "I Am". I believe this discrepancy is what emerged as
we arrived in Aouchtam, Morocco. What clearly presented itself was the
remnants of the old paradigm versus the new one..."
. . .
"When our beautiful hosts of the One People Radio Shows came forth,
along with the introduction of Heather Tucci-Jarraf*, we were
introduced or rather re-introduced to a vocabulary and language of our
"I Am", One Source, Eternal Essence. Documents were presented in what
we referred to as a sort of "divine language" an "I Am" language. And
as many of you know, especially those of you who chose to come to
Aouchtam, this topic went viral. The 5D Media Network ( recently
repurposed as The One Network) delved into the materials presented by
Heather and thus opened an ongoing dialogue with the online community."
+ source: http://briankellysblog.blogspot.hk/2014 ... chive.html
*Heather's new name is: Heather Gibberish-Speaker
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
You may be interested in this email I just received unexpectedly:
Same scam different scammers?
The hyperlinks weren't hyperlinks built into the email, were all the same and I've not tried them.Olá one of my many email addresses!
Seu amigo ==$$$$$The FIRST FREE ENERGY GENERATOR - Humiliates Top Scientists------------------------, achou que poderia estar interessado em Coletânea de Defesas de Multas de Trânsito da Valor Jurídico.
Dear Friend,
Revealed the first energy generator thats
violates all law of physics and humiliates
top scientists even after 84 years..
http://cr.tl/********
Big Energy shut us down 6 months ago...
but now we`re back, and we`re here to stay.
http://cr.tl/********
They may not like it... and they may lose
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its from our nature..
Best Regards..
hendergenerator
Same scam different scammers?
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
"FIRST FREE ENERGY GENERATOR - Humiliates Top Scientists"
???
Only the ones who ignore scientific method and believe the Dodgy tests
that the OPC/OPPT have applied to the QEG,
which cannot yet even power itself
I think Brian's urine treatments may prove to have more long term value than QEG.
???
Only the ones who ignore scientific method and believe the Dodgy tests
that the OPC/OPPT have applied to the QEG,
which cannot yet even power itself
I think Brian's urine treatments may prove to have more long term value than QEG.
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
Weren't you arguing a short while ago that free energy exists and there may be machines that could access it? I'm trying to figure out where you are in relation to the fencepost.DailyPlanet wrote:"FIRST FREE ENERGY GENERATOR - Humiliates Top Scientists"
???
Only the ones who ignore scientific method and believe the Dodgy tests
that the OPC/OPPT have applied to the QEG,
which cannot yet even power itself
I think Brian's urine treatments may prove to have more long term value than QEG.
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
Seeking The Truth - is my aim.
It is almost certain that Free Energy exists IMHO.
(If you believe otherwise, you need to do more research IMO.
Attack me on the thread set up for that purpose, if you like.)
But the QEG device is not a genuine Free Energy device for a whole variety of reasons.
Putting a pin in one device, does not mean that all are phony.
But the ones that are scams, should be "knocked on the head"
It is almost certain that Free Energy exists IMHO.
(If you believe otherwise, you need to do more research IMO.
Attack me on the thread set up for that purpose, if you like.)
But the QEG device is not a genuine Free Energy device for a whole variety of reasons.
Putting a pin in one device, does not mean that all are phony.
But the ones that are scams, should be "knocked on the head"
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Re: Prosperity Scam: IUV Exchange, One Peoples Public Trust,
DP:
To date, EVERY alleged 'free energy' device has been proven to be a scam or just a wet dream on the part of the 'inventor.'
Simply stated, every 'free energy' theory violates one or more of the basic FACTS of physics.
Until such time as someone can come up with something that produces a usable power output while disconnected from all sources of power, the "measurements" and "demonstrations" all fall into the "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" category.
To date, EVERY alleged 'free energy' device has been proven to be a scam or just a wet dream on the part of the 'inventor.'
Simply stated, every 'free energy' theory violates one or more of the basic FACTS of physics.
Until such time as someone can come up with something that produces a usable power output while disconnected from all sources of power, the "measurements" and "demonstrations" all fall into the "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" category.
Taxes are the price we pay for a free society and to cover the responsibilities of the evaders
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How could you know that?
There are many reports, some highly credible that:
+ Some parts of humanity are using advanced technologies, including free energy technologies, as part of a "Breakaway Civilisation"
+ Inventors who have come up with working machines have been bought out, or have their machines stolen, and been threatened.
These reasons are why the new trend towards Open Sourcing technologies may prove so important. Because it may allow a working technology to get out into the public before the machine is disrupted.
Of course, there remains a big risk that scams are being launched, and crowd funding is being misused. Hence, am am also watching closely the attempts to bring in a new more rigorous testing and evaluation of devices at an early stage - even as, or before some of the early funding is requested.
(Let's take this discussion away from here - and onto the other thread):
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10021&start=40
There are many reports, some highly credible that:
+ Some parts of humanity are using advanced technologies, including free energy technologies, as part of a "Breakaway Civilisation"
+ Inventors who have come up with working machines have been bought out, or have their machines stolen, and been threatened.
These reasons are why the new trend towards Open Sourcing technologies may prove so important. Because it may allow a working technology to get out into the public before the machine is disrupted.
Of course, there remains a big risk that scams are being launched, and crowd funding is being misused. Hence, am am also watching closely the attempts to bring in a new more rigorous testing and evaluation of devices at an early stage - even as, or before some of the early funding is requested.
(Let's take this discussion away from here - and onto the other thread):
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