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ErsatzAnatchist wrote:Six counts of possession of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence. Potentially six consecutive 5 year minimum sentences. :shock:
It's way way way worse than that for Gerhard.
§ 924. Penalties
(c) (1) (A) Except to the extent that a greater minimum sentence is otherwise provided by this subsection or by any other provision of law, any person who, during and in relation to any crime of violence or drug trafficking crime (including a crime of violence or drug trafficking crime that provides for an enhanced punishment if committed by the use of a deadly or dangerous weapon or device) for which the person may be prosecuted in a court of the United States, uses or carries a firearm, or who, in furtherance of any such crime, possesses a firearm, shall, in addition to the punishment provided for such crime of violence or drug trafficking crime--
(i) be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 5 years;
(ii) if the firearm is brandished, be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 7 years; and
(iii) if the firearm is discharged, be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 10 years.
(B) If the firearm possessed by a person convicted of a violation of this subsection--
(i) is a short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, or semiautomatic assault weapon, the person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 10 years; or
(ii) is a machinegun or a destructive device, or is equipped with a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, the person shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 30 years.
(C) In the case of a second or subsequent conviction under this subsection, the person shall--
(i) be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 25 years;
and
(ii) if the firearm involved is a machinegun or a destructive device, or is equipped with a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, be sentenced to imprisonment for life.
(D) Notwithstanding any other provision of law--
(i) a court shall not place on probation any person convicted of a violation of this subsection; and
(ii) no term of imprisonment imposed on a person under this subsection shall run concurrently with any other term of imprisonment imposed on the person, including any term of imprisonment imposed for the crime of violence or drug trafficking crime during which the firearm was used, carried, or possessed.
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Brown supporter faces 125 years
Updated indictment charges nine felonies

By Margot Sanger-Katz
Monitor staff

September 21, 2007

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A photograph posted on MySpace.com shows (from left) Jason Gearhard, Cirino Gonzales and Ed Brown during a recent meeting at the Browns' home in Plainfield.

Jason Gerhard, one of four supporters of Ed and Elaine Brown arrested last week, faces a maximum sentence of more than 125 years if he is convicted on all charges.

Gerhard, 22, of Brookhaven, N.Y., was arraigned yesterday on an updated indictment that charges him with nine federal felonies.

The recent Army recruit, who was arrested at basic training in Missouri, chose not to enter pleas during his hearing yesterday at the New Hampshire District Court. Magistrate James Muirhead entered not guilty pleas on his behalf.

Cirino Gonzalez, 30, of Alice, Texas, the Browns' former blogger and security guard and an alleged co-conspirator with Gerhard, also appeared in court today. He pleaded not guilty to four felonies.

Gerhard was one of several supporters who spent time living at the home of Ed and Elaine Brown, a retired exterminator and dentist who were convicted of multiple tax-related crimes in January. The Browns have been holed up in their fortified concrete home for nearly eight months, refusing to surrender and threatening violence if marshals try to arrest them.

According to his indictment, Gerhard purchased his first gun for the couple in January, about a week after Ed Brown walked out on his federal trial and announced that his home might become "another Waco." Between January and August, he purchased a total of six weapons, the indictment says, including a high-powered .50-caliber sniper rifle, which shoots bullets capable of piercing body armor. The indictment says Gerhard lived with the Browns for several months.

During that time, Gerhard was a relatively quiet member of the Brown entourage, frequent visitors to the house said. Gerhard had one brush with local law enforcement this summer came after he hit the car of a teenage girl while shopping for the Browns in their SUV. Ed Brown described the accident as a "fender bender," but the girl's mother said that her daughter's car had been totaled and that Gerhard had tried to flee the scene. Marshals impounded the Browns' vehicle after the accident.

When marshals searched the home of Gerhard's mother on Long Island last week, they found a pipe bomb and other weapons, according to the local police. He has not been charged with any crimes related to that finding.

Gerhard is charged with six counts of carrying and possessing a firearm in connection with a crime of violence, two counts of conspiring to hinder authorities, and one count of accessory after the fact. The weapons charges carry a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years for each count after the first.

A prosecutor said yesterday that he believed Gerhard was likely to flee, was a danger to his community and was likely to obstruct justice if he was released from federal custody. A hearing to decide whether he will be released is scheduled for Tuesday.

The court has unsealed detailed affidavits summarizing federal marshals' evidence in three of the four cases, but an affidavit describing Gerhard's alleged actions has not yet been made public. The new indictment was dated Wednesday.

Gonzalez, a former military contractor, was the public face of the Browns' home for several months this summer when he lived at the house and posted frequent updates on their status online. Gonzalez appeared in online photos and videos, many of which showed him armed. He also posted long, rambling accounts of goings-on at the house and his evolving political views.

He was charged with conspiracy, accessory after the fact, and one count of carrying and possessing a firearm in connection with a crime of violence.

The indictment alleges that he purchased the .50-caliber rifle in April. In a blog post a few days later, Gonzalez bragged about owning the gun.

"I get sad knowing not everyone has one," he wrote on his MySpace page. "Then I think about everyone . . . that is not even close to being ready."

Gonzalez's hearing was brief. He pleaded not guilty and will remain in federal custody. A judge in Texas already ruled that Gonzalez should remain held until trial. According to Magistrate B. Janice Ellington's ruling, Gonzalez is "both a flight risk and a danger to the community."

"The defendant resisted attempts by the Marshal to arrest him at a residence where numerous firearms, including assault weapons, were present," the ruling said. "During the arrest, defendant attempted to gain access to those weapons."

Gonzalez's father, Jose Gonzalez, said in an interview that it was not surprising that his son appeared to resist arrest, because he was sleeping and startled when marshals arrived about noon last Wednesday.

According to the Alice Echo-News Journal and a blog post made by Gonzalez's friend Donna Van Meter, Gonzalez's custody hearing in Texas included rumors of a possible escape plot and an outburst by Jose Gonzalez, who was escorted from the courtroom.

Both men are scheduled for trial in November.
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Post by ErsatzAnatchist »

There is going to be some serious pressure for these clowns to roll over on Ed and each other. The ironic part is that these dumb *sses are going to do more time than Ed and Elaine (primarily because of Ed and Elaine's ages). Dan the Dog Walker apparently talked a great deal with the marshals already. I suspect that the marshals will be mostly interested in learning more about the weapons Ed has and his defensive efforts.

The funny thing is how all these bad *sses who were going to turn this into another Waco, etc., and are now calling for help from the ACLU. :lol:

This is going to end very badly for anyone helping Ed and Elaine.

Now I wish I hadn't sent them the 2 cents via paypal. I'll let ya'll know if the Marshals contact me. :oops:
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sleeping and startled when marshals arrived about noon
I guess Constimatoooshunal militia-type dudes aren't up at the crack of dawn.
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ErsatzAnatchist wrote:Now I wish I hadn't sent them the 2 cents via paypal. I'll let ya'll know if the Marshals contact me.
You'd better turn yourself in and get your ankle bracelet.
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Lambkin wrote:You'd better turn yourself in and get your ankle bracelet.
Is it sparkly and does it come in a little blue box?

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Oooh. Shiny.
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Not shiny.

Uncool.
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Anyone else notice the rather striking resemblance between Ed Brown, er, I mean Ed Lewis of the clan Brown, and Gerhard?

You don't suppose that...naw, not Ed.
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Post by Imalawman »

What a waste of a life. That's very sad, such a young man making such a big mistake. Sometimes when you're young and get caught up in something, you forget that your actions have very real consequences.

Oh, I don't think that the conspirators will be sentenced to more years than Ed Brown (maybe Gerhard). Ed (and Elaine) will die in prison. When they are apprehended, and I think they will be, they will be facing another trial and a long, long list of charges.
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Imalawman wrote:Oh, I don't think that the conspirators will be sentenced to more years than Ed Brown (maybe Gerhard). Ed (and Elaine) will die in prison. When they are apprehended, and I think they will be, they will be facing another trial and a long, long list of charges.
A trial that the Browns can't walk away from. I am betting that Ed will either refuse to leave his cell to participate in the trial or he will try to turn the courtroom into a circus, thus getting himself removed for contempt of court.
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The Observer wrote:
Imalawman wrote:Oh, I don't think that the conspirators will be sentenced to more years than Ed Brown (maybe Gerhard). Ed (and Elaine) will die in prison. When they are apprehended, and I think they will be, they will be facing another trial and a long, long list of charges.
A trial that the Browns can't walk away from. I am betting that Ed will either refuse to leave his cell to participate in the trial or he will try to turn the courtroom into a circus, thus getting himself removed for contempt of court.
So you both think that Ed's proclamation that he "won't be taken alive" is so much fluff and that he will be taken alive.

I'm not so certain that he won't commit suicide by cop in his attempt to achieve martyrdom in the patriot community. But there is some validity to the belief that he is full of hot air and has never really done anything affirmatively and will cower like a baby when they eventually do come.
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Dezcad wrote:I'm not so certain that he won't commit suicide by cop in his attempt to achieve martyrdom in the patriot community. But there is some validity to the belief that he is full of hot air and has never really done anything affirmatively and will cower like a baby when they eventually do come.
Depending on Ed's mood at the time of his capture, he may very well commit suicide by cop. Brown has shown that he is unstable, arrogant and has a lot of rage against the system. But my money is that, given the low-profile approach that the US Marshal's office has used, Ed Brown will probably be taken alive - and then will have to ask for a change of clothing.
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I thought suicide by cop was Ed's plan.
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Post by ErsatzAnatchist »

Five possible outcomes, in order of likelihood (Based solely upon my MNSHO):

1) Ed is grabbed without serious violence (Like Reno)
2) Ed surrenders (maybe cutting a deal with the .gov)
3) Ed Resists arrest with serious violence (ala Waco)
4) Ed leaves the compound shooting to commit suicide by cop (ala Carl Drega of New Hampshire notoriety)
5) Ed dies of old age (While Reno and company rot in jail).

Maybe we should have a poll?
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