Elisabeth Nolson, Universal Community Trust, absolute madness

[lunaEl]

Hi all,

I’m new here, I’ve read a previous thread on Elisabeth and her crackpot theories. I’ve been doing a ton of research on fmotl, as I have a family member who is now heavily involved and actually believes the crap she sprouts which to me is nothing more than word salad and what seems like the ramblings of a mad woman.

She’s now offering free energy meters to people ?? How could that go wrong? Not only is it hugely dangerous and fraudulent, it’s just plain stupid to expect to freeload and have to pay nothing!

I feel like she should be reported for the fraudster she is, and I am so worried that my family member is going to end up jailed or loosing everything if she keeps down this road.

I’d appreciate an open discussion if anyone has any information that could help me?

Has anyone actually checked out her website/facebook? I’m surprised she’s allowed to keep posting this absolute drivel!

Thanks L

[ArthurWankspittle]

I suggest you run a search for her on here and see what you hit where.
The meter thing is a common FOTL / sovcit thing but I doubt many have actually done it. Too much risk of winning a Darwin Award let alone the issues and costs you will be hit with along with a lack of electricity.

[TBL]

Unfortunately, if your family member has already swallowed the FMOTLer line, their critical-thinking skills are significantly in question. Logical arguments will probably not get through. Maybe point to some FMOTLers in prison as examples of where this road ends?

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Maybe point to some FMOTLers in prison as examples of where this road ends?

Like Elisabeth Nolson? Who spent time in Greek jail after being arrested for her "We Buy Any Debt" Kindness Credits con until her gullible followers coughed up her fine!

[longdog]

I though she got nicked in possession of a large quantity of cannabis.

[John Uskglass]

It may not help much, but you could point out that the address given on her website:

The Suites 125 Home Street Halifax HX7 8AA

Is almost certainly false. That postcode refers to Holme Street in Hebden Bridge, which has no numbered properties. It consists of a school, the Trades Club, a theatre and the Post Office. While it could just be that she has a PO box, my understanding is that they are always identified as such on the address.

Aside from the UCT, the only other result from googling that address is a filing at Companies House for Artemis Sorras Ltd
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... 2/officers

You'll note that Ms/Mr Sorras is a Greek national resident in Greece.

One suspects that s/he is this Artemis Sorras
https://neoskosmos.com/en/117568/the-st ... is-sorras/
https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2018/ ... st-athens/

Convicted fraudster and extreme right winger

In 2012, the unknown Artemis Sorras went public claiming to own shares of a Greek bank worth 600 billion USD. Bank Anatolia was absorbed by a Greek bank in 1924. He was claiming he was able to buy off the Greek debt from the lenders provided that the Greek political system would transfer to him political powers.

He started his debt vs billions campaign in and thus among the diaspora Greeks in USA and Canada.

Later it was revealed that he had bought the bank shares in a flee market for a couple of euros.

He had established an ultra-nationalist organization called Greeks’ Convention. He was urging his supporters to not pay taxes and sent messages to tax authorities saying the state could claim the money from the $600 billion.

One day his supporters were surprised to see that they kept owing to the state despite their letter.

He lost many supporters after an organization member murdered another one, a woman, in Central Greece. and he lost even more when a court sentenced him to 8 years imprisonment for having embezzled the money of a previous business partner.

[HardyW]

My brief search gives four "companies" registered at that address

1 William Brook Tomlinson Ltd;
Other credit granting (not including credit granting by non-deposit taking finance houses and other specialist consumer credit grantors and activities of mortgage finance companies) n.e.c. (64929)
Private security activities (80100)
2 Elisabeth Maria Nolson Ltd
Security dealing on own account (64991)
3 Artemis Sorras Ltd
Security dealing on own account (64991)
Private security activities (80100)
4 Stavros Stavropoulos Ltd
Private security activities (80100)


each has a sole director; all give "minister" as their occupation
Minister William Brook De Tomlinson (British);
Minister Elisabeth Maria De Nolson ("stateless");
Artemis Sorras (Greek)
Minister Stavros Stavropoulos (Greek)


https://suite.endole.co.uk/explorer/postcode/hx7-8aa

[CrankyBoomer]

Luna,

I'm so sorry you actually have to deal with FMoTL belief from a member of your family. I don't know if I can offer any practical advice which is what you came here seeking, but when did your family member start to have these beliefs? Did he/she believe thus before the lockdown/quarantine began? If it's a late onset thing is there any chance your relation will go back to non-Ftler beliefs once the restrictions in place during the quarantine are lifted? It's so easy to become a bit stir-crazy. There is a YouTube video where a cop addresses the phenomenon of Sovereign Citizens which is the American version and here is a clip where an American judge gives a sovereign citizen/freeman short shrift.

[CrankyBoomer]

When I mention become a little stir-crazy I meant that it's easy to become frustrated with the limitations imposed during the quarantine.

[longdog]

...and here is a clip where an American judge gives a sovereign citizen/freeman short shrift.

I really must correct m'learned friend... That's actually quite a long shrift

[Burnaby49]

It's my opinion that some individuals, once they go down the sovereign madness road, never come back. Case in point, Michael Millar. I've written extensively on sovereign believers in Quatloos and attended many of their trials. Millar was perhaps the most fanatical believer I've run across. He based his entire defense at his tax evasion trial on sovereign gibberish which had absolutely no chance of prevailing at court. When he appealed his conviction an appeals bench judge told him outright that all of his proposed appeal arguments but one were hopeless and to focus on delay, the only argument that could help him. Delay was actually a substantial argument with some arguable merit and, argued properly, had at least a chance of a favorable decision at appeal. He instead argued everything except delay. He's now serving jail time. I'd suggest you read some of the Millar thread to get an idea of what you might be facing. Not all of it, but a good place to start is at his conviction appeal hearing I mentioned above. It's reported in the June 27th, 2019 posting on this thread.

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=10834&start=60#p276994

[notorial dissent]

...and here is a clip where an American judge gives a sovereign citizen/freeman short shrift.

I really must correct m'learned friend... That's actually quite a long shrift

I get great enjoyment from that judge, he seems to have a wicked sense of humor and doesn't mind using it, and he must have been really bored that particular day as he really does hand that sovidjit his ass repeatedly without engaging with him and using his own wurdz back at him. The guy was so lost and looked so bewildered, although I think that was his native state to begin with, when he got them handed back to him, lost his bail, got jailed til trial, and was told that WAS his remedy. He was also apparently a repeat customer.

[letissier14]

Hi all,

I’m new here, I’ve read a previous thread on Elisabeth and her crackpot theories. I’ve been doing a ton of research on fmotl, as I have a family member who is now heavily involved and actually believes the crap she sprouts which to me is nothing more than word salad and what seems like the ramblings of a mad woman.

She’s now offering free energy meters to people ?? How could that go wrong? Not only is it hugely dangerous and fraudulent, it’s just plain stupid to expect to freeload and have to pay nothing!

I feel like she should be reported for the fraudster she is, and I am so worried that my family member is going to end up jailed or loosing everything if she keeps down this road.

I’d appreciate an open discussion if anyone has any information that could help me?

Has anyone actually checked out her website/facebook? I’m surprised she’s allowed to keep posting this absolute drivel!

Thanks L

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=11548&sid=08c8b8c7 ... 9854a046db

[lunaEl]

Hey thanks for the replies.

These beliefs are long held but seem to be worse because of lockdown. I’ve tried to debate and I have done as much research as possible but it’s always end up in some strange circular argument and I end up just giving up and changing the subject.

Maybe it’s a lost cause which is sad but what can I do.

Thanks to the people who have done a little background research on Elisabeth.

Apologies for the late reply. Busy with kids and work!

[letissier14]

Universal Law Community Trust Homeschool School

https://www.facebook.com/groups/261948048484083

Elisabeth Nolson shared a link.

Whos in Wales ? If only these "business" owners learnt Kindness Credits and by changing the currency before POS would keep them in the private, they would find they have no "commercial"obligations to fulfill (story below)

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/loca ... JgvCxZBUMs

[aesmith]

Anyone looking for a job? Pays 1200 kindness credits per month, tax free.

You will be responsible for assets and property maintenance and repair. Immediate start and tax free pay through our Kindness Credits structure. Our prepaid credit package discharges up to 1200 a month in utilities and debt and also gives you cash in hand. Contact us now for flexible terms..

https://www.facebook.com/jobs/job-openi ... 4856608097

They seem to be in favour with this bunch as well, although they are so bonkers that this ULCT stuff seems sane in comparison. They seem to be a sort of intergalactic PLD operation whose guru "is a young Extraterrestrial lady with the ancient soul who has been in a written live and almost daily Internet contact with us since December 2017."

https://forum.swaruu.org/viewtopic.php?id=1382

[wserra]

That is a medal-round collection of wackos. Some excerpts from their own introductions:

I recently created my own private server and started to write down indepth knowledge beyond cabal-accepted limits there, e.g. for the topics of Free Energy, Alternative Healing, Autarky, and much more

inside almost every class I trained, there was at least 1 inmate who knows a little about freemasons, illuminati, rothchilds, starseed

The whole notion that ET souls could incarnate on Earth had never occurred to me before. The more I learned about it, the more it seemed to describe me to a tee. It finally started to make sense why I feel the way I do. The idea of being a Pleiadian starseed seemed to resonate strongly with me . . . "Subaru" is the Japanese word for "Pleiades."

I've been interested in the nature of reality and UFOs since I was very young but it only started to click when realised consciousness was non-local to the human brain about 9 months ago . . . My focus now, is on starting projects that will promote self sufficiency, in the ubuntu contributionism or Autarky vein

I am grateful to the Source which guided my path, up to this moment, to connect with this intergalactic community of star-seeds.

As scenes took place in my mind of fighting those who look like doctors trying to force me into a table [I can believe that part. - WS] I began to awaken . . . After accepting the stars and our families in the sky, I find myself battling with many of you the threatening lower density. Stay shining bright, and always do what is right. Keep your frequencies high and head outside to the planets night skies to say hi to your star family. Watch as the lights begin to signal you.

I'm a starseed from Erra. Through my assorted gifts and others with gifts I've learned a bit about my pleiadian self. One of these things I've learned is I have a spouse or consort named Rylon. He recently took a position on a ship to be closer to earth as I ascend. I'm told He's on the science station. Is there a way I can to have one of your pleiadian contacts locate him and help me gain internet contact with him?

So Yazhi finally fix that ugly platypus snout of her craft. A wide sparce console and single seat in middle. I man-spread but that was ridiculous. LoL!
Pls Ask her if she had fitted the extra seat like I asked.

Aneeka Aneeka dont throw stuffs a me. You're a sprightly girl. You moved so fast my heart flutter, had a chuckle when I raised a shield wall.

Yazhi, the suit fits and serves you well i presume

Grr...I love you both...and Gosia too.

My sight is not good. I still got etheric blocks needing remove.

So i've been pretty lonely over here as ever since that awakening day i've had Out of body experiences, visitations, abductions except a physical meeting, dont get those, most of the offworlders dont say anything, just do what they need to do and leave, have had some brief talks with some beings over the years but nothing really meaningful.
My biggest and most powerful out of body was in a MASSIVE Meeting, 10s of thousands of Offworlders in this large Ampitheatre style hall, races seemingly seated by racial type (Reptilian, god/hd being, humanoid, plant based, insectoids) it was immense and i couldnt take it all in.
Found out i've been a milab victim, a father to at least 6 hybrid children and a current living pincushion or cadaver for a lot of races (operations are mainly head and face area), still dont know what in the universe they are doing............i did ask at 1 point and a grey put grey-plastic words on my bed that said "3d human, we treat you 1st place priority above that of other humans" Not much of an answer felt more like a flat statement.

Met so many races, seen so much, including other timelines, woke up on an offworld space station orbiting another races homeworld (inhabiting a Droid, a simple cargo handler for crying out loud) found out the Race are called "Fynax" and the Planet is Called "Finari", if anyone knows the world say hello to "Plix & Etum" for me.

Oh and by the way i'm connected by soul to a god and to one of the sons of Anu.......Apparently

I believe that I am a starseed from Electra, my spirit guide is Woodinaz. If the team on the ship knows me, I have a longing to return home. I also know I am here to affect the collective consciousness, but will be glad to come home when I am done.

We are running out of time as far as we terrestrials are concerned. You need to help us get to GOD mode faster. We need to be pushed to the limit. We humans are at our best when we are pushed beyond what we thought we were capable of. We need to get as many of us as possible to GOD mode to help make up for the sleepy ones.

At least they seem harmless. Unless you're one of the sleepy ones.

[exiledscouser]

Well I don’t understand your skepticism here. An intergalactic set of good guys with laws and everything. There’s no proof that they exist as to provide such would go against the prime directive or something. But they have decided to breach this directive and contact some new age hippies on the grounds that no one believes a word they say.



There is a fully-formed belief system right there with our intergalactic overlords flying about in their moon, just like in Space 1999. Of course, as in Star Wars there just has to be bad guys too, those pesky reptilians, comin’ down to our planet, causing reptilian mischief as that’s what the do, ok? I’ll bet the costume department has fun designing bad-guy uniforms. “You have failed me for the last time Emoven” says the chief poobah as he does special magical things with his scaly fingers causing the demise of our Liz.

My word but this lockdown has a lot to answer for; the devil certainly does make work for idle hands!

[Juisarian]

They're only allowed to contact Earthlings who are reincarnated extraterrestrials from Federation worlds obviously.

[Arthur Rubin]

Well I don’t understand your skepticism here. An intergalactic set of good guys with laws and everything. There’s no proof that they exist as to provide such would go against the prime directive or something. But they have decided to breach this directive and contact some new age hippies on the grounds that no one believes a word they say.

I think I've read some relatively good SF with that theme.