Letters, we get letters ...
Letters, we get letters ...
Perry Como aside,
Why do all the TP sheep believe that a letter-writing campaign will somehow make everything better?
The LoserHeads are a prime example.
It seems that every other post there is a discussion of the proper letter to rebut an IRS notice <your choice>.
They discuss the proper way to inform the IRS staff what the law really is, how the Service is violating procedure, that the IRS is remiss in not sending them any one of a number of forms -- many of which are years obsolete -- and that [according to their interpredtation of includes] all of the IRS's actions are wrong.
Where did this start? Which of the previous gurus advocated a letter-writing campaign? Did he only do this so he could sell additional form letters to the sheep?
Demosthenes: do you have any good history on this?
Why do all the TP sheep believe that a letter-writing campaign will somehow make everything better?
The LoserHeads are a prime example.
It seems that every other post there is a discussion of the proper letter to rebut an IRS notice <your choice>.
They discuss the proper way to inform the IRS staff what the law really is, how the Service is violating procedure, that the IRS is remiss in not sending them any one of a number of forms -- many of which are years obsolete -- and that [according to their interpredtation of includes] all of the IRS's actions are wrong.
Where did this start? Which of the previous gurus advocated a letter-writing campaign? Did he only do this so he could sell additional form letters to the sheep?
Demosthenes: do you have any good history on this?
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My experience leads me to believe it starts with the attempt to mimic a portion of the administrative remedy/notice gibberish and the old adage that unless you put it in writing it doesn't have any weight. The fact that it has no weight just because it's in writing is yet another story.Nikki wrote:....
Where did this start? ....
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Observation:
From the cases I've had an opportunity to review, the non-filers who compose and send the most responses (i.e., rebuttals) get in worse trouble than those who send the fewest.
Both classes may suffer the same civil fate (i.e., pay taxes and fines), but the group that makes the most noise (i.e., sends the most letters) risks criminal sanctions as well.
This is just my perception, but it seems to be fairly accurate.
If a non-filer believes there's legitimate legal issues to challenge, the proper place to do so would be in a court somewhere. So, file a petition in tax court, file a suit in district court or file a claim in the court of claims, but bring it in the proper place.
Don't rely upon a letter-writing campaign that will get you nowhere but into deeper trouble.
From the cases I've had an opportunity to review, the non-filers who compose and send the most responses (i.e., rebuttals) get in worse trouble than those who send the fewest.
Both classes may suffer the same civil fate (i.e., pay taxes and fines), but the group that makes the most noise (i.e., sends the most letters) risks criminal sanctions as well.
This is just my perception, but it seems to be fairly accurate.
If a non-filer believes there's legitimate legal issues to challenge, the proper place to do so would be in a court somewhere. So, file a petition in tax court, file a suit in district court or file a claim in the court of claims, but bring it in the proper place.
Don't rely upon a letter-writing campaign that will get you nowhere but into deeper trouble.
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And from our "Let-them-eat-cake" dept....
Who knows, Nikki. Maybe they think its their right or something.Nikki wrote:Why do all the TP sheep believe that a letter-writing campaign will somehow make everything better?
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But their folly is they may actually be giving up their rights; in the main they're incriminating themselves. They may not like the law, they may not even believe it applies to them, but they should not be handing the prosecution evidence that they are knowingly and willfully determined to break it and will use frivolous arguments when confronted.Weathervane wrote:And from our "Let-them-eat-cake" dept....
Who knows, Nikki. Maybe they think its their right or something.Nikki wrote:Why do all the TP sheep believe that a letter-writing campaign will somehow make everything better?
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You bet. But one man's folly is another man's dissent.Judge Roy Bean wrote:But their folly is they may actually be giving up their rights; in the main they're incriminating themselves. They may not like the law, they may not even believe it applies to them, but they should not be handing the prosecution evidence that they are knowingly and willfully determined to break it and will use frivolous arguments when confronted.Weathervane wrote:And from our "Let-them-eat-cake" dept....
Who knows, Nikki. Maybe they think its their right or something.Nikki wrote:Why do all the TP sheep believe that a letter-writing campaign will somehow make everything better?
I despise the KKK, but I defend their right to speak their mind. As long as they don't engage in or advocate physical violence, give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves and that's fine with me.
I'm not saying these people have to be taken seriously, I just think its the height of arrogance, hubris, if you will, to call into question a citizen's right of exercising free speech. As inconvenient to you as it may seem, whether or not you happen to agree with what he says is beside the point.
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Demosthenes is busy baking on a white sand beach, collecting freckles, and sipping a delightful drink known as a "dirty monkey.". She cannot be disturbed.Nikki wrote:Demosthenes: do you have any good history on this?
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Dirty Monkey:Demosthenes wrote:Demosthenes is busy baking on a white sand beach, collecting freckles, and sipping a delightful drink known as a "dirty monkey.". She cannot be disturbed.Nikki wrote:Demosthenes: do you have any good history on this?
1 1/2 oz Irish creme
1 oz dark rum
1 1/2 oz cognac
Pour into brandy snifter in order above, serve unstirred.
Hammered, we get hammered...
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I think I've said this before, but a lot of what tax deniers do seems to be more like an apish kind of mimicry than what could be considered rational, intelligent thought. And a lot of the mimicry seems to be directed at lawyers.
So, lawyers are perceived as writing long, prolix, turgid, incomprehensible verbiage, and tax deniers therefore write long, prolix, turgid, incomprehensible verbiage.
Lawyers use lots of Latin, and so tax deniers use lots of Latin.
Lawyers write cease and desist letters and other forms of notices, so tax deniers write "seize" and desist letters and other forms of notices ("constructive" or otherwise).
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but tax deniers are incapable of understanding the sense in what lawyers do, so their mimicry tends to be senseless. (And when it's not senseless, it's wrong.)
So, lawyers are perceived as writing long, prolix, turgid, incomprehensible verbiage, and tax deniers therefore write long, prolix, turgid, incomprehensible verbiage.
Lawyers use lots of Latin, and so tax deniers use lots of Latin.
Lawyers write cease and desist letters and other forms of notices, so tax deniers write "seize" and desist letters and other forms of notices ("constructive" or otherwise).
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but tax deniers are incapable of understanding the sense in what lawyers do, so their mimicry tends to be senseless. (And when it's not senseless, it's wrong.)
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Ironically, many of these legal wannabes distrust attorneys, who they think are part of some kind of massive conspiracy involving the IRS, the BAR, Queen Elizabeth, or shape-shifting lizards.LPC wrote:Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but tax deniers are incapable of understanding the sense in what lawyers do, so their mimicry tends to be senseless. (And when it's not senseless, it's wrong.)
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What? lawyers arent shape shifting reptiles? Then what kinda shap shifters are they?Cpt Banjo wrote:Ironically, many of these legal wannabes distrust attorneys, who they think are part of some kind of massive conspiracy involving the IRS, the BAR, Queen Elizabeth, or shape-shifting lizards.LPC wrote:Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but tax deniers are incapable of understanding the sense in what lawyers do, so their mimicry tends to be senseless. (And when it's not senseless, it's wrong.)
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Lawyers are shape-shifting bunny slippers. Judges are shape-shifting footed pajamas. Beware the red herrings.mutter wrote:What? lawyers arent shape shifting reptiles? Then what kinda shap shifters are they?Cpt Banjo wrote:Ironically, many of these legal wannabes distrust attorneys, who they think are part of some kind of massive conspiracy involving the IRS, the BAR, Queen Elizabeth, or shape-shifting lizards.LPC wrote:Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but tax deniers are incapable of understanding the sense in what lawyers do, so their mimicry tends to be senseless. (And when it's not senseless, it's wrong.)
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Different dirty monkey. This one is coconut milk, bananas, rum, and coffee liqueur, blended with ice and poured into a hurricane glass that's been coated with chocolate sauce.it's a girlie drink.Weathervane wrote:
Dirty Monkey:
1 1/2 oz Irish creme
1 oz dark rum
1 1/2 oz cognac
Pour into brandy snifter in order above, serve unstirred.
Hammered, we get hammered...
Follow up with a local Dominican Republic pilsner called "el presidente."
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Yikes! That sounds combustive, creme drink and beer? That monkey'l come flying out of ya pretty fast I bet.Demosthenes wrote:Different dirty monkey. This one is coconut milk, bananas, rum, and coffee liqueur, blended with ice and poured into a hurricane glass that's been coated with chocolate sauce.it's a girlie drink.
Follow up with a local Dominican Republic pilsner called "el presidente."
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Lots of stuff in DR is referred to or named after whoever happens to be "el Presidente" at the time.
Guzman was big in the '80s, the last time I was there. Do they still have the taxi system where cabs only run north/south or east/west in Santo Domingo or have they decided that big government planning isn't such a great idea?
Guzman was big in the '80s, the last time I was there. Do they still have the taxi system where cabs only run north/south or east/west in Santo Domingo or have they decided that big government planning isn't such a great idea?
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Quit bothering Demo, she's finishing her book.
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Oh, a beach? My impure thoughts about her vacation involve her on the beach in a bikini, but the beach is mostly an afterthoughtCaptainKickback wrote:"Yeah Garth, and maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt......."
Sorry, Wayne's World moment there.
I think I woud stick with the ice cold El Presidentes.
Of course I amy be one of the few readers NOT envious of Demo's plight. Living in SoCal has jaded me I suppose.......
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The resort is an hour out of Punta Cana (which I swear is spanish for "land of a million potholes" in an area called Uvero Alto and is frequented mostly by Europeans (aka topless sunbathers.) Once you leave the abject poverty of the towns and cities, the natural beauty here is stunning. No sign of Charlie Rangel yet.
Gotta' go. Another thousand freckles just emerged despite the #30 sunscreen. Cheeky little bastards.
Gotta' go. Another thousand freckles just emerged despite the #30 sunscreen. Cheeky little bastards.
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Yeah, but remember, those melon bikinis are transparent to uv, so you have to use sunscreen all over.Gregg wrote:Oh, a beach? My impure thoughts about her vacation involve her on the beach in a bikini, but the beach is mostly an afterthoughtCaptainKickback wrote:"Yeah Garth, and maybe monkeys will fly out of my butt......."
Sorry, Wayne's World moment there.
I think I woud stick with the ice cold El Presidentes.
Of course I amy be one of the few readers NOT envious of Demo's plight. Living in SoCal has jaded me I suppose.......
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My fondest memory of the place is in my mispent youth, whilst helping Ronald Reagen keep the world safe for capitolism, I crashed a helicoptor not too far from where Demo is being assaulted by freckles.Demosthenes wrote:The resort is an hour out of Punta Cana (which I swear is spanish for "land of a million potholes" in an area called Uvero Alto and is frequented mostly by Europeans (aka topless sunbathers.) Once you leave the abject poverty of the towns and cities, the natural beauty here is stunning. No sign of Charlie Rangel yet.
Gotta' go. Another thousand freckles just emerged despite the #30 sunscreen. Cheeky little bastards.
I will ignore the topless comment, the thought makes me unstable... I mean think ofit, a topless cat with a melon on it's head? Does topless in this situatiom mean sans melon?
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