Baron David Ward

[TheNewSaint]

Do you remember what was on the flip side of that song?

That would be "Ah ah yawa em ekat ot gnimoc er'yeht" if I'm not mistaken.

Yes. The flip was exactly the same recording but played in reverse.

I... learned something today.

[grixit]

Get thee to the Doctor Demento archive!

[Pottapaug1938]

That would be "Ah ah yawa em ekat ot gnimoc er'yeht" if I'm not mistaken.

Yes. The flip was exactly the same recording but played in reverse.

I... learned something today.

I still have that 45 somewhere....

[notorial dissent]

I miss Dr Demento, who ironically the batty baron looks a lot like, although without the fashion sense.

[Pottapaug1938]

I miss Dr Demento, who ironically the batty baron looks a lot like, although without the fashion sense.

He's still around, but strictly online and on Facebook.

[SteveUK]

The baron has his appointment with the men in white coats tomorrow.
Additionally, he's been sending out a few default notices after his liens were cruelly ignored by the judges.

Ps - I've no clue what a bug update is, or why the waffen ss is involved.

BUG UNPLUG UPDATE

Tomorrow will be an interesting day. Caroline from the SS is coming round while we have a long chat and I de-compartmentalise the poor woman. Anyone that spends 4 hours with me will let you know that fried Bran cells smells like fried Bacon.

Things are moving along nicely with the 8 Liens against 6 Judges.
Yes now there is 8 Liens in Progress I found two more court orders from District Judge Lateef in the paperwork pile.... Oooops

Deputy District Judge Buckley http://bit.ly/2iZrW8J http://bit.ly/2i8zGRm http://bit.ly/2iUzN4Q http://bit.ly/2k4HKYE
Deputy District Judge Masheder http://bit.ly/2jkAJib http://bit.ly/2iUjTHL http://bit.ly/2j9soOP http://bit.ly/2iC0r5C
Deputy District Judge Woodward http://bit.ly/2iuXQ9P http://bit.ly/2ivcbCU http://bit.ly/2jojldE http://bit.ly/2iRKYwU
District Judge Fitzgerald http://bit.ly/2iV3x3G http://bit.ly/2i8CCxx http://bit.ly/2iZxVdS http://bit.ly/2iRIBtU
District Judge Gray http://bit.ly/2iUrial http://bit.ly/2i5Dd82 http://bit.ly/2iUAlIb http://bit.ly/2k0zR2G
District Judge Lateef
WA14D00277-06-11-2015 http://bit.ly/2iZy294 http://bit.ly/2i5IPil http://bit.ly/2j9BURR
WA14D00277-18-12-2015 http://bit.ly/2i8DFNZ http://bit.ly/2jkzO1e http://bit.ly/2iJFPDZ
WA14D00277-27-05-2016 http://bit.ly/2j9g4hH http://bit.ly/2jkJEA5 http://bit.ly/2jkI8xV http://bit.ly/2k4OqWY

This is some of what I have been doing today. There was also the 7 Default notices for 7 liens against 7 Lawyers.

What has everybody else been doing today?
I cant change the planet all on my own.

[TheNewSaint]

fried Bran cells smells like fried Bacon.

I suppose that's possible, depending on how your nose interprets things. Scientifically, bran has high oil content, and is therefore subject to becoming rancid.

[SteveUK]

fried Bran cells smells like fried Bacon.

I suppose that's possible, depending on how your nose interprets things. Scientifically, bran has high oil content, and is therefore subject to becoming rancid.

Much like the baron's emails.....

[TheNewSaint]

Silence creates a binding agreement through acquiescence.

No, it does not, you insufferable prick.

The Baron really needs to be disabused of this notion. It's the linchpin of his entire campaign of paper terrorism. Apparently un-rebutted affidavits can be used to dismiss judges:

Deputy District Judge Masheder is making a claim that Deputy District Judge Masheder has some form of authority. We would bring to the Deputy District Judge Masheder attention an Affidavit of truth and statement of fact which was served upon the 657 MP’s in office as of the 20th Day of February 2015 and we would note that the content of this Affidavit of truth and statement of Fact has never been contested or disproved and as such stands as an agreed foundation in fact with the 657 MP’s in office.

http://bit.ly/1WV48PH

Followed by 6 pages of CC: addresses.

I'm guessing the UK doesn't have strong laws against this sort of thing. This is understandable, as false liens are a new tactic. Even in the US, where the Posse Comitatus popularized the practice in the 90s, the law is still catching up.

[The Observer]

The Baron really needs to be disabused of this notion.

Good luck with that. This particular notion is one of the main "tactic" in the "strategy" manual for TPs/sovruns/FOTLs. It has been around for a long while and the idiots will not recognize it as a loser argument until the gavel is hammered in the courtroom...and sometimes not even then.

[longdog]

I'm guessing the UK doesn't have strong laws against this sort of thing. This is understandable, as false liens are a new tactic. Even in the US, where the Posse Comitatus popularized the practice in the 90s, the law is still catching up.

I would imagine that a case could be made that he was attempting to intimidate a public official and I'm pretty sure his actions would fall within the category of 'causing harassment, alarm or distress' but it's also possible that some of the recipients of the letters have worked out the guy is actually a sandwich short of a picnic and referred the matter to social services.

Either way he guy is obviously nuts but it remains to be seen whether social services, with whom he is determined not to cooperate, take things further down the line to sectioning him or just say 'Fuck it... If he wants to be a dick and lose everything let him get on with it'.

[TheNewSaint]

I would imagine that a case could be made that he was attempting to intimidate a public official and I'm pretty sure his actions would fall within the category of 'causing harassment, alarm or distress' but it's also possible that some of the recipients of the letters have worked out the guy is actually a sandwich short of a picnic and referred the matter to social services.

Agreed, they're probably treating him as a harmless nut. Which I think will stop the minute one of his phony liens shows up on someone's credit report.

[longdog]

Agreed, they're probably treating him as a harmless nut. Which I think will stop the minute one of his phony liens shows up on someone's credit report.

I can see no conceivable way that could ever happen.

Apart from Baron Trampbeard and the lucky recipient of the lien nobody knows or cares about their existence. This isn't like the US where people can file a lien at the local courthouse... Here nobody will give a fuck. The courts would strike out any attempt to enforce one of these liens as being totally without merit and the credit reference agencies wouldn't and couldn't take any notice of them.

His 'liens' are based on the US system and that's obvious from the wording of his gibberish but under British law they're not just worthless they're not even liens in the first place.

[littleFred]

I think David is fully aware that his fantasy liens have no basis in UK law, and that if someone doesn't rebut his pathetic allegations this doesn't make them automatically guilty of anything, and there is no chance at all of them doing prison time for his fictitious allegations, or of them paying him anything, or getting bad credit ratings.

Like Chrisy Morris, David enjoys jerking people around, trying to make them squirm. Chrisy does it on video, David does it by email.

[notorial dissent]

Baron Bonkers strikes me as just another in a long line of bullies of one kind or another. He just happens to be lazier in one respect and more prolific in others, but he is still a bully.

[SteveUK]

He's at least persistent. I mean, how many liens has he sent over the years?

You'd have thought he'd got the hint by now, but in his mind, he's probably only ever one step away from the combination of magic words and obscure statutes....

[TheNewSaint]

Good luck with that. This particular notion is one of the main "tactic" in the "strategy" manual for TPs/sovruns/FOTLs. It has been around for a long while and the idiots will not recognize it as a loser argument until the gavel is hammered in the courtroom...and sometimes not even then.

Sure, some people are incurable. But for those are curable, this is a very effective medicine IMO. If you can make someone understand that binding agreements cannot be created through non-response, they can easily see for themselves why many FMOTL arguments are doomed from the start. And it's easy to illustrate why this is a good principle: imagine if every piece of junk mail you got created a binding agreement. Anyone can relate to that, and see why it's a bad idea.

Lately, I've been thinking that you could rebut all of FMOTLism with a short list of fallacies such as this one. Less than 10 would probably be enough. Such as:

• Appeal to spam: Non-response does not create a binding agreement.
• Appeal to imperfection: Agreements cannot be voided over minor paperwork flaws. (And if it did, it would void the entire agreement; it would not let you keep the house but escape the mortgage).
• Appeal to being a special snowflake: You cannot opt out of laws by assigning a special status to yourself, or by "opting out."
• Appeal to irrelevant law: You cannot apply laws which are from other jurisdictions; superseded by subsequent law; don't exist at all; or are not applicable to your situation.
• Appeal to magic words: Phrases like "notice to principal is notice to agent", "accepted for value", and punctuating your name strangely, are of no relevance.
• Appeal to not being yourself: You cannot escape your obligations by creating a distinction between yourself and the entity that agreed to them (e.g., "straw man" arguments).

And so on.

[The Observer]

Anyone can relate to that, and see why it's a bad idea.

Anyone with common sense and the ability to be intellectually honest. People like the Baron not so much. They simply will not listen and will just come up with more rationalizations as to why they are right. I have been on this site for nearly 16 years, and I have yet to see anyone suddenly make an U-turn and say "Gee, whiz, I was wrong." We have had a couple of protestors come in from the cold to Quatloos, but that was only after they reached the end of the line and finally realized they lost. Nearly every TP or sovrun simply just move on to the next flavor of the month or the current guru. Why? Because their ego, greed and ignorance will not let them see the light of day.

Lately, I've been thinking that you could rebut all of FMOTLism with a short list of fallacies such as this one

A similar thing has been done with Dan Evans' Tax Protester FAQ. But as the old saying goes just because you lead a horse to water, doesn't mean it's going to drink.

[notorial dissent]

Non, no, no, the phrase is "just because you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him read", everyone knows that. People believe the things they want to believe, and no amount of proof or reason will ever change that, and then coupled with magical thinking it is pretty much bullet proof against reason.

[The Observer]

Non, no, no, the phrase is "just because you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him read", everyone knows that. People believe the things they want to believe, and no amount of proof or reason will ever change that, and then coupled with magical thinking it is pretty much bullet proof against reason.

No, no no, you are mixing it up with the corollary: "Trying to lead TPs to sanity is likely to drive you to drink."