This will not end well....Skankbeat wrote:When you follow the chain of command, you will find the buck stops at the US Secretary of Treasury. I have stopped dealing with the IRS minions and now only deal with the head honcho. My first round with the Secretary provoked a weak response regarding record correction. After i finish up my research on common law, my next round will be a notice and demand to Timothy Geitner, and then initiate common law action against him individually for detinue if timely remedy is not made.
The Legal Stylings of Skankbeat II
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The Legal Stylings of Skankbeat II
Continuing from the closed thread:
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At the usual TP rate of study, that should take about 10 years, so Geitner can breathe a little easier.After i finish up my research on common law, ...
"Here is a fundamental question to ask yourself- what is the goal of the income tax scam? I think it is a means to extract wealth from the masses and give it to a parasite class." Skankbeat
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Why stop there? Why not go directly to the White House? After all, the President is the person who appoints the Secretary of the Treasury. Save yourself some time, Skankie, and show up with a deputy to arrest the Executive under common law.Skankbeat wrote:When you follow the chain of command, you will find the buck stops at the US Secretary of Treasury.
Which probably explains the collective sigh of relief from all of the IRS service centers.I have stopped dealing with the IRS minions...
That was probably a subtle hint they were dropping you that the Sec couldn't be bothered with your request....and now only deal with the head honcho. My first round with the Secretary provoked a weak response regarding record correction.
Could you let us know before you start this last step. I want to get a good seat at the sidewalk outside of 1111 Constitution Avenue and see how far you get.After i finish up my research on common law, my next round will be a notice and demand to Timothy Geitner, and then initiate common law action against him individually for detinue if timely remedy is not made.
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This will end hilariously. I'll bring beer, someone order a pizza.Dr. Caligari wrote: This will not end well....
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But who will wear the peach chiffon bathrobe and hold a can of gasoline?
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How convenient, setting himself up for a nice "they don't respect and enforce the law" defence when the world fails to conforms to his royal whims and wishes.SB wrote:The King does not have to answer to his subjects, but the subjects do have to answer to the King. You have to assert sovereign status in order for the federal government to revert back to subject status. This is the proverbial "putting the genie back in the bottle". Sounds idealistic but that is the fundamental law. It only needs to enforced.
Why, SkankBeat, of course. I'll assert my sovrunity and direct peace officers to force him to wear it. Well, I might go easy on the gasoline. After all, dropping by 1500 Penn and saying "Tell Mr. Geithner that a man with a can of gasoline is here to see him" might make several people nervous. Pointy-shooty nervous.grixit wrote:But who will wear the peach chiffon bathrobe and hold a can of gasoline?
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Meanwhile, user "GraceDunn" is in a bit of a pickle. After enjoying a brief success with the CtC-scam, the IRS want's to set things straight again (plus a §5.000 penalty). So she prepares the usual garbage, she's not a "taxpayer", the letter isn't signed yada yada. And the letter is "constructive notice", of course.
Anyway, SkankBeat decides to join in with this weeks solution to all your problems;
http://www.losthorizons.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2656
Anyway, SkankBeat decides to join in with this weeks solution to all your problems;
Why don't you write to the head honcho instead, the US Secretary of Treasury, and have him take care of the matter. Or do you feel more comfortable dealing with the IRS minions?
http://www.losthorizons.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2656
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Probably another example of garbage in/garbage out. SB probably sent a letter with some of the usual Crackhead gibberish about refuting testimony and IRS records, and some low-level staff person responded by saying that they would forward the correspondence to the IRS so that the records could be corrected.Skankbeat wrote:My first round with the Secretary provoked a weak response regarding record correction.
I've known for some time that "common law" means something different to SB than it means to me and other lawyers, and I'm now sure that we also have different understandings of the words "research" and "finish."Skankbeat wrote:After i finish up my research on common law,
I love the smell of Rule 11 sanctions in the oven.Skankbeat wrote:my next round will be a notice and demand to Timothy Geitner, and then initiate common law action against him individually for detinue if timely remedy is not made.
Unless he gets together with some of his sovrun buddies, forms his own "common law court" and starts issuing judgments or arrest warrants, in which case we could be talking about criminal charges if he makes enough of a nuisance of himself.
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Just for fun someone ought to take Tim aside for a moment and get him to R4C it or accept it for value.Skankbeat wrote:When you follow the chain of command, you will find the buck stops at the US Secretary of Treasury. ... my next round will be a notice and demand to Timothy Geitner, and then initiate common law action against him individually for detinue if timely remedy is not made.
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By hand.Judge Roy Bean wrote:Better yet, if the name is still misspelled, return it as undeliverable.
The hands of a Secret Service agent -- uniformed division (their uniforms are TOTALLY sharp).
Accompanied by an armored personnel carier full of US Marshal SWAT agents -- otherwise known as a small can of whupass.
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Does SkankBeat have the figure to fill the robe the way Gene Chapman did?Thule wrote:Why, SkankBeat, of course. I'll assert my sovrunity and direct peace officers to force him to wear it. Well, I might go easy on the gasoline. After all, dropping by 1500 Penn and saying "Tell Mr. Geithner that a man with a can of gasoline is here to see him" might make several people nervous. Pointy-shooty nervous.grixit wrote:But who will wear the peach chiffon bathrobe and hold a can of gasoline?
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Well, someone is listening to him:
72 Hours? Let's see-- they don't understand tax law, they don't understand common law, they don't understand the UCC...the mind boggles.Some idiot at Lost Hopes wrote:Skankbeat - I wanted to be sure and preserve my ability to pursue common law remedies for this by replying within 72 hours. I fully intend to pursue further with Timothy under the UCC. Thanks for the input.
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I used to keep a dinosaur on my desk to remind me what I had to deal with daily. Might have been a diplodocus, if they were mouse-sized green glow-in-the-dark.CaptainKickback wrote:
Most importantly, they have no comprehension of government bureaucracy - it takes the bureaucracy 72 hours to decide whether to sh*t or get off the can. It is like a diplodocus - huge, massive, slow moving but crushingly unstoppable.
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The vision I have of the government is that of a glacier... it's so slow you can't even see it move but it carries all before it. And its power is more than enough to change the face of the planet.
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Or as a friend of mine put it: "The government takes its sweet time getting anywhere. But when they finally get there, you are going to definitely know they have arrived."
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And the tail brain is all that's needed to deal with a tp filing anyway.CaptainKickback wrote:Most importantly, they have no comprehension of government bureaucracy - it takes the bureaucracy 72 hours to decide whether to sh*t or get off the can. It is like a diplodocus - huge, massive, slow moving but crushingly unstoppable.Dr. Caligari wrote:Well, someone is listening to him:
72 Hours? Let's see-- they don't understand tax law, they don't understand common law, they don't understand the UCC...the mind boggles.Some idiot at Lost Hopes wrote:Skankbeat - I wanted to be sure and preserve my ability to pursue common law remedies for this by replying within 72 hours. I fully intend to pursue further with Timothy under the UCC. Thanks for the input.
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Wackadooster Harvester/Libre/Nationwide/johnthetaxist still believes, or at least apparently claims to believe, the delusional idea that Jay Adkisson and I are same person. At losthorizons, he creates a fantasy about a mock "60 minutes" type interview:
And SkankBeat responds with:
Oh, what's the matter, fellas? Slow news day over at losthorizons?
That's right. Nothing new. The Cracking the Code scam is still a scam, and Peter E. (Blowhard) Hendrickson is still in federal prison for using his scam on his own tax returns.
I wonder whether his Blowhardiness would be upset if he could see how his web site continues to deteriorate.
If only Doreen would stop taking care of the kids and watch the web site!
http://www.losthorizons.com/phpBB/viewt ... 4cec#25821if you missed 6 MINUTES the other night I transcribed it:
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If you've ever had doubts our nation's income tax system, and spent any time online in search of answers, then you've no doubt run into this man - Famspear.....
And SkankBeat responds with:
This, from SkankBeat, the currently-reigning doofus at lost horizons -- who couldn't find his a** with his hands tied behind his back. This from SkankBeat, who doesn't know the difference between shirt lint and common law.Famspear [apparently referring to Jay Adkisson, not me] is an "25-year tax attorney"!? Phhfff. This guy is shirt lint.
Oh, what's the matter, fellas? Slow news day over at losthorizons?
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That's right. Nothing new. The Cracking the Code scam is still a scam, and Peter E. (Blowhard) Hendrickson is still in federal prison for using his scam on his own tax returns.
I wonder whether his Blowhardiness would be upset if he could see how his web site continues to deteriorate.
If only Doreen would stop taking care of the kids and watch the web site!
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What doe that even mean?Famspear wrote: And SkankBeat responds with:
Famspear [apparently referring to Jay Adkisson, not me] is an "25-year tax attorney"!? Phhfff. This guy is shirt lint.
Is it supposed to be an insult?
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When we last left our hero, he was explaining how you could perform a citizens arrest of Federal Officials who won't listen to his secret hocus pocus to get your property back.
Now, he elaborates on this..
Now, someone who may be just a little skeptical might ask, but since no one with enough sense to be skeptical is allowed to post there, Submarine Vet pipes in on how can he get some of this action....
Now, he elaborates on this..
This will be useful in piercing official immunity if you decide to sue the Secretary in his individual capacity. In the common law action for detinue, if the US Secretary of Treasury is unlawfully detaining your property then he is exceeding jurisdiction. He is acting outside the bounds of office- official immunity does not extend to "ultra vires" acts.
You establish unlawful detainment of your property when you serve proper notice and demand to the US Secretary of Treasury and he fails to remedy. This notice and demand puts the Secretary on notice that the Payer has committed conversion and transferred your money property to him under color of law. If the Secretary does not remedy he will have consented and authorized the Payer to act as his agent. This links the Secretary to the Payer's unlawful acts. The defense of plausible deniability is extinguished. You can establish that the Secretary has control over your property by showing issuance of past refund checks.
You should be able to do similar to the revenue director or whoever is the "secretary" equivalent of your state.
Now, someone who may be just a little skeptical might ask, but since no one with enough sense to be skeptical is allowed to post there, Submarine Vet pipes in on how can he get some of this action....
And Skankbeat answers. But you'll notice he doesn't just show the letters he wrote and how quickly the Secretary of the Treasury got him a check right out. No, in his non-answer we can see that Skankbeat hasn't actually found anything that woks, and if he wrote such a letter at all the only thing he might have accomplished is to get himself put on the list of people the Secret Service will check up on anytime the President or Secretary is gonna be in his neck of the woods.SB - Any templates to use to file complaints?
You see, kids, Skankbeat is one of those "Warriors" who is only to glad to stand back and cheer you on as he encourages YOU to try out his crazy theory and see if YOU get arrested, prosecuted, or otherwise singled out for that special attention that the IRS is so good at. He may "think the US Secretary of Treasury would remedy at this point and not allow it to be established that he authorized third parties to act as his agent" but the fact is the low level aid, or intern who actually reads the letter will at best post it on the wall in the locker room for the other employees to laugh at. I hate to break it to you Skanky, but the man has more important things to deal with at work, and your demands fall at least a few lines below checking the belly button lint. But you hang in there Skank, cause you may eventually get someone delusional enough to listen to you and we all are looking forward to the U Tube episode of what happens when you try to citizens arrest a Federal Judge or even a Cabinet Member. I can promise you I'll be watching for that.My suggestion for now is to study a little about common law detinue. That should guide you in making appropriate notice and demand letter. You would make a 1-2 page letter with affidavit attached. The affidavit will be a statement of facts. You may properly serve via USPS registered mail with restricted delivery.
In this letter you would cover two topics. The first is that you are acting in your sovereign capacity and the common law is invoked. This effectively extinguishes legal presumptions to the contrary. The second topic is that you have suffered injury from conversion, where third parties took your property without consent under the color of law and transferred it to the US Treasury. This establishes unlawful detainment.
You then demand the immediate return of your property. I would think the US Secretary of Treasury would remedy at this point and not allow it to be established that he authorized third parties to act as his agent.
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Re: The Legal Stylings of Skankbeat II
Which is what Skanky always suggests. Study Common Law.SkankBeat wrote:My suggestion for now is to study a little about common law detinue.
Specifically Detinue.
For now.
Tomorrow, Skanky's suggestion might be to study conversion. Or replevin. Or trover. Or assumpsit. Or maybe even trespass.
It's obvious that The Answer is in Common Law somewhere. It's just a matter of doing enough studying to find The Answer.
But let's not be too hard on Skanky, because he's emulating the Master. When Hendrickson is asked a question about anything, what's his response? That's right, to re-read Cracking the Code.
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