The NESARA scam has touched pyramid schemes half a dozen times while I've been watching them (e.g. Rama, Tara & Beth's association with Webmaster Ed's 777 program "not a pyramid, more like a spiral"). The person who is really Deep Knight became acquainted with these in College in the early 70's and wrote a computer program to model the system, so although an amateur, I'm knowledgeable.
Pyramid schemes are usually explained by the scamster using a chart with a triangle. The person starting the pyramid is on top, with two people below him, 4 below them, and 8 at the bottom. The 8 don't fit side-to-side nearly as well as the upper participants, crowding 8 figures into a line only "4" wide. This is the reason they never show lower levels of the pyramids in these illustrations, the next line would have 16 in a line 5 wide, 32 in a line 6 wide, and 64 in a line 7 wide, a bit too crowded to see in the back rows.
If somebody asks about this, the clever huckster will say that a real pyramid is 3 dimensional and that fits all those extra people. Well, it could, but only to a point. Once you get 7 levels deep, crowding once again explodes. In fact, that's a good word for it, "Explodes."
This is an exponential growth curve from an online biology class. Note how it seems to take off and go almost straight up past a certain point. This is because the numbers in exponential growth do exactly that. The pyramid scheme's base "explodes" outwards quickly, becoming so big that there aren't enough suckers around to feed it.
It's hard to wrap your mind around exponential growth as something intuitive. To us, it appears that something simply appears and explodes in rapid growth. A good example is bread mold. You have a loaf of bread sitting on the counter in the bag for a week or more until one day it's covered with spots of mold. To your senses they suddenly appeared, but in actuality they were growing exponentially the whole time, until enough generations grew that you saw the "explosive" results as visible mold. The same it true of flowers and fresh growth in the springtime, after a spell of warm weather it's "bursting out all over," but actually the result of a growth ramp that was minimally perceivable until that point.
Let's take for example a simple scheme where each participant recruits two new members. Each new member gives $100 to the person who recruits them. If you join and successfully recruit 2 new members, you're $100 ahead on the deal. The numbers of people at each level are:
Level Number
1 1
2 2
3 4
4 8
5 16
6 32
7 64
8 128
9 256
10 512
11 1024
12 2048
13 4096
14 8192
15 16384
16 32768
17 65536
18 131072
19 262144
20 524288
So, to go 20 generations, all you need are a bit more than a million people willing to play the game, half a million of which are left holding the bag unless they can find another million suckers to hold it for them. This is because nowhere is any money somehow "made" in this scheme, it's simply transferred from the bottom up towards the top.
You will never see an actual scheme like this because 1) the person at the top who originated it doesn't get to really cash in and 2) the promised payout isn't big enough to attract a loads of people. Here's how to make your own pyramid scheme, make tons of money, and get thrown in jail when the Postal authorities find you (based on the one I studied in the early 70's).
To enter costs $100, which you give to the person who recruits you. You remove the name and address of the person at the top of the 10-name "pyramid list" and put your name & address at the bottom, making 3 copies which you sell/recruit for $100 each. You send $200 to the person who's name is at the top of your list (the one you removed for the copies) keep $100 yourself (making you even at this point) and wait for your name to come to the top of the list. In this case (the list being 10 long with 3 times the people every generation) if everyone recruited and was honest, you would get $11,809,800! Even if only 10% of that level is filled, the line goes, that's still more than a million dollars. You would be a chump not to join!
In reality, if "only 10% join" in every generation, the scheme dies immediately, you need 33% participation minimum just to keep it chugging along with a $200 total profit by the time you reach the top of the list.
So, you're talked into it, talk 3 friends into it, and send your $200 to the person at the top of the list. Another risk taker, much like yourself, waiting for his/her payoff, right? In reality, the 10 people at the top of the original list are all the same person. The other people get some fee for being a mail drop, but that's it (unless they're not honest and skim a few envelopes after realizing the scam), but the originator of the scam makes the money. Almost all the money, as it turns out.
When I modeled this it was for a town of 1 million people where 1% would be susceptible to this scam, but they become harder to find as the "low hanging fruit" is harvested. Even though 10,000 could enter, only about 1,000 do, or about 7 generations - ALL of which could send their money to the originator of the scam (well, if it fills evenly, which it won't). This assumes that the originator is honest and only sells 3 copies of the original list, I mean, what's to keep him/her from selling as many in slightly different markets at he/she can?
What it means is the suckers down the line see nothing and those at the bottom are left holding the bag. In the case I knew of, the friend who tried to talk me into this only sold one of his copies, not 3, and ended up not sending any money to the person at the top of the list. The person he sold it to actually sold all 3 of his, but none of his people sold any (and he was hounded about this for months). Of course the amount was only $15 instead of $100, but it was worth about the same, and enough to make someone mad enough to go to the postal authorities, who will pursue these schemes since they use the US mail (Online equivalents such as Paypal will cancel any account where there's even a hint of it being a pyramid scheme).
The other way of doing this is the 777 Prosperity way, where the originator "sells" something and gets a large chunk of each transaction along the way. The product is worthless, the sale comes from the promise of money for recruiting new members, and even if it "spirals" or is a "matrix" it still goes flat when new membership dries up leaving the last buyers holding the bag.
Pyramid Schemes Explained
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Dad
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"I read very slowly owing to a low IQ. Even so, I was able to finish your book in 3 minutes as promised. It’s really short."
Matt W.
"I was in a desperate position with bills coming in faster than I could pay them. Then I saw your advertisement and a little glimmer of hope filled my heart. I spent my last $29.95 on your little 'book', so now I've got nothing left at all. Is it always desperate people who fall for these scams? I mean, I knew it was nonsense, I just wanted to believe so badly. Oh, I get it"
Judy H
http://www.mr-shouty-trousers.com/You-r ... illionaire
"You're only 5 Minutes Away From Becoming a Millionaire!"
(Note : owing to the limitations of this web template, I am unable to adequately convey the full majesty of this Amazing Money-Making Secret as I can not use italics or coloured text. The photo above is meant to convey limitless wealth, but it's been badly resized and merely conveys limited talent - sorry. Also, I am on a strict exclamation mark limit which is also annoying – this offer deserves thousands of exclamations!!)
As incredible as it may sound you're about to discover just like I did how you can become a Millionaire in less than 5 minutes!
I came across this Amazing Secret Information almost by accident from a couple of guys that belong to an Exclusive Insiders Financial Club. (It’s right next door to the Evil Genius World Domination Club, and only two doors away from Santa’s Secret Workshop). They were two of the richest guys I have ever met : one of them had a yacht tethered right outside the Club – and it was on dry land! “No worries”, he said, “I’ll just buy a new one when it’s time to go home”. That’s the sort of people I mix with now. Pure class.
I have to tell you: as soon as I found out about this well guarded Secret Information I took full advantage of it right away (to the tune of 20 Million) for myself! Now I'm offering this same Incredible Information to people just like you in a short "Special Report" that only takes about three minutes to read. In fact, it only took two minutes to write! And you've already spent more than 3 minutes reading this sales pitch, so you're halfway there!
In this valuable Millionaire Money Making Special Report I tell you exactly where and how you can start Accumulating Thousands and Thousands and even Millions immediately for yourself! Even fools can do it. People like you! Yes, you, the fat slob who’s called in sick so he can spend the day surfing for porn! You, sir. Yes, that’s right. Don’t think I don’t know all about your one-handed typing technique. Even you could get rich. It isn’t laziness or stupidity holding you back . . . it’s the Secret Knowledge!
Even though this Special Report is a quick read, people realize information like this is worth a small fortune. It's the kind of Money Making Information many people would expect to pay hundreds of dollars for.
(Incidentally, if you’re not feeling very convinced so far, cut and paste this text into Word and highlight every seventh or eighth word in a different colour. Then italicise and emphasise words randomly. See? Much more impressive.)
You'll find out how you can put down just $2.30 for a possible unheard of return of $1,000! This is not a misprint!!! It’s a genuine hypothetical sum!! Yes, just two dollars and thirty cents for a return of $1,000! How about $32.47 for a possible return of $25,000? Or $0.01 for a possible return of $1,000,000? The hypothetical returns are simply staggering!
And...get this! You can decide to Accumulate Thousands and Thousands or even Millions and Millions daily, weekly or monthly, it's totally up to you! Some of my clients accumulate weekly, others prefer monthly. One guy collects his money in a wheelbarrow every second Thursday. And there’s no work to do! Nothing! You just need Secret Knowledge. Obviously.
When you check out this well kept Secret Information like I did you'll find out how Major Institutions like Banks and Real Insiders (influential people) quietly use this same Secret Information to make Millions and Millions of Dollars while poor saps like you have to worry about having enough money to pay your broadband fees. Think the Money Men worry about stuff like that? They don’t even have to surf for porn, they just lift a phone and some hot redhead walks in wearing a skimpy outfit and . . . well, I’ll have to leave that to your imagination.
And by the way...it doesn't matter what part of the world you live in because this is not about some multi-level marketing company or buying Stocks or doing joined-up writing or any of that complicated stuff. In fact, there were some complete twats who were fortunate enough to find out about this perfectly legitimate little known Secret that Bankers knew. Those average everyday people (or twats, as they’re known in the business) also used that exact same Secret Information for making Millions and Millions of Dollars just like the banks. Ever wonder how banks are so full of money? That's right - it's the Secret Information. Now you're going to have this same Valuable Secret Information that you can use too!
You'll be able to start Accumulating your Wealth just as soon as you're finished reading my 3 minute Special Report! There’s an endless amount to go round, which is why I’m happy to share my vast wealth with workshy masturbators like yourself.
Now, before I let you go I want to give you one word of caution. So please, pay very close attention to this! You’re very, very stupid, and if you don’t send off for this offer RIGHT AWAY you’ll probably forget all about it, and waste the money on food or shit like that. Or worse, you might stumble across SOMEONE ELSE’S secret money-making information scam, and give him the thirty dollars instead. People like you make me want to puke. (Sort out that last paragraph, Susie, needs a little work).
Well, that's why I knew as soon as I found out about this Amazing Secret Information that I had to get it put into a Special Report and get it out immediately because this wasn't going to last forever! Unfortunately...this window of opportunity could be gone in a moments notice. So here's what I'm willing to do for you, but you must act immediately!
I'll give you the full and complete details on where and how you can access this highly sought after Secret Information so You can Become a Millionaire in only 15 Minutes too!
It's the exact same Secret Information I used to acquire over 16 Million and that I'm still using for Accumulating four more Million. But...instead of charging you $1,000.00 dollars or even $300 or $400 hundred dollars I'm going to make it available to you right now for only $29.95 if you order this very moment! So, get your fair share before it's too late! That's about half what you spend on lottery tickets and beer in a week - a bargain!
I know what you’re wondering. If this guy’s a multi-millionaire, why does he need my $29.95? Well, I don’t. Obviously. I’m nothing like you. I don’t live in a shitty rented place with food stains on the wall. My girlfriend – Sally – didn’t leave me because she was sick of my endless scams which barely cover their costs (and the premature ejaculation, but that's another story). No, that’s somebody else. I’m just sharing this Secret Information because, er, a pixie told me to. In a dream.
You'll receive your "Zillionaire Money Making Special Report" delivered instantly right to your computer via download when you pay with a major credit card. So you can immediately begin making your first million – how great is that?
Now I do know that you may also want a guarantee before ordering. So, here is my personal guarantee to you. After you have checked out this Amazing Secret Information and found out how you can plunk down just $4.60 for a possible unheard of return of $1,000! or just $32.47 for a possible return of $25,000! And...if you're not satisfied after discovering how you can Accumulate Thousands and Thousands or even Millions and Millions daily, weekly or monthly just come visit me on my yacht and I'll refund your money. Follow the signs to Brigadoon and turn left at the pixie ring.
Testimonials
"Thanks to your "Special Report", I've already accumulated twenty Million for myself! And I’m a prat!"
David B
"This is so absolutely incredible, I'll never be able to thank you enough! I not only got two Million for myself but now because of your "Special Report" everybody in my home town is a Millionaire too! "
Dad
"I needed that thirty dollars, you lying shit" Mr Angry of Warrington.
"I read very slowly owing to a low IQ. Even so, I was able to finish your book in 3 minutes as promised. It’s really short."
Matt W.
"I was in a desperate position with bills coming in faster than I could pay them. Then I saw your advertisement and a little glimmer of hope filled my heart. I spent my last $29.95 on your little 'book', so now I've got nothing left at all. Is it always desperate people who fall for these scams? I mean, I knew it was nonsense, I just wanted to believe so badly. Oh, I get it"
Judy H
"Follow the Money"
Re: Pyramid Schemes Explained
MLMs have pyramid structures, but are not necessarily pyramid schemes. The key differentiator is where the money comes from. If it comes from product sales rather than dues/investments, then it is not a pyramid scheme.
Of course, most MLMs tightly skirt this line, as most product sales are self sales.
Of course, most MLMs tightly skirt this line, as most product sales are self sales.
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Re: Pyramid Schemes Explained
Or sales to your family. Where I used to work 30+ years ago a VP's wife sold Amway and he had a promotional chart on his office wall listing 10 benefits of selling their MLM products. Somebody had penciled in #11 on the bottom - "Your relatives will never complain about your not speaking to them ever again."Brandybuck wrote:MLMs have pyramid structures, but are not necessarily pyramid schemes. The key differentiator is where the money comes from. If it comes from product sales rather than dues/investments, then it is not a pyramid scheme.
Of course, most MLMs tightly skirt this line, as most product sales are self sales.
"Follow the Money"
Re: Pyramid Schemes Explained
I was doing Amway a short while back in the 80s. It was almost like church, you would go to a weekly meeting where some guy on stage would tell you how you the glorious benefits of the products. All the charts showed every distributor buying $200 worth of product for themselves and their family. No need to sell outside the faith, just buy for yourself and the miracle of MLM will make you a millionaire so long as you can trick twenty people a month into coming to a meeting.