Amish sovereign

[Demosthenes]

Dear Amish Brethren,

Government propaganda says the Washington Government operates under the Constitution.
The truth is, it actually operates mostly under CONTRACT LAW. Contracts supersede the Constitution, and many Amish have unknowingly signed many "adhesion contracts" with the government. These "Invisible contracts" are very real, and are sealed by your receiving a "benefit." You entered into these contracts voluntarily, by choice, giving them ironclad legal power over you.
When a Commercial contract with the "King" ( Government) is in effect, the Bill of Rights is irrelevant, and properly so, as the Consitution forbids interference with contracts. This information comes from a Federal Judge and is supported by thousands of Federal Statues and Supreme Court Rulings.

FORM 4029
This form sounds like it gives you "exemption" from a tax you would otherwise owe, but unless you have somehow contracted to owe the SS tax, you don't owe it.
Form 4029 only gives you the BENEFIT of a number with which you can engage more easily in "the King's Commerce."
In return for the benefits the number gives you, you pay dearly because:
1) Form 4029 declares you, (a previously unindentured freeman), to be a "TAXPAYER", a code-word that binds you to the entire 7000+ pages of the Internal Revenue Code, and more.
2) Form 4029 contains a forbidden Perjury Oath (cleverly called a perjury declaration)
3) Form 4029 collects your signature
4) Form 4029 associates you with the "ALL CAPS NAME" which the Government owns and controls
5) Form 4029 asserts that you owe many other taxes which you don't actually owe (unless you are party to certain contracts)
OPTION : Do not ever sign any IRS form. Those forms are very cleverly worded traps. A free man is not liable to any Federal corporation just by being born upon this land. The only way one can be held liable to the IRS is by contracting for a benefit. Do not accept any governmnent benefit.

[Pottapaug1938]

Too late, Amish-boy. You accepted the benefit of the taxpayer-funded military, keeping us secure; the benefit of the taxpayer-funded police, doing the same for your state and your community; the benefit of things like the Clean Air Act, which helps keep you healthy and helps keep the crops you grow healthy and able to be consumed. That's just for starters; but from the moment of your birth you've been accepting federal, state and local benefits of one sort or another.

Say hello to the nice Federal marshals, for me, when they come to seize your farm and all of your valuable assets, after you are convicted of tax evasion.

[wserra]

Demo - where did this come from? I actually know a couple of Amish, and this doesn't sound Amish at all.

That's funny, you don't sound Amish.

[grixit]

Ach, the dumkopf has been too long among the English and their greed and wickedness.

[JamesVincent]

Demo - where did this come from? I actually know a couple of Amish, and this doesn't sound Amish at all.

That's funny, you don't sound Amish.

I went to college for awhile at Shippensburg, dead in the middle of Amish country and got to know quite a few of them and it definitely doesnt sound like any I met or talked to. They were quite happy to pay their due as it was part of just that, their due. Part of their creed was that everyone pulls their own weight and helps their neighbor when its needed. There would have been no issues with paying to help fund anything that was needed so taxes would have been a non-issue with them.

[notorial dissent]

I gotta go with wserra on this, doesn't sound even remotely Amish, in either text or tone.

What I think we do have here is an affinity fraud attempt by someone who really doesn't know his intended audience/victims. This sounds much too much like all the things the Amish try and avoid if at all possible. I should think this clown will have a real hard sell.

[Omne]

Demo - where did this come from? I actually know a couple of Amish, and this doesn't sound Amish at all.

That's funny, you don't sound Amish.

I've frequently worked with them before. As far as income tax they're not a problem and 98% of them are fine on sales taxes too. We have had some sales tax problems with the ones that are running puppy mills up here though. It seems to attract a bad element of their community.

That said, my strong impression is that if someone actually started spouting this stuff the Amish would be looking at them like they grew an extra head.

[LPC]

FORM 4029
This form sounds like it gives you "exemption" from a tax you would otherwise owe, but unless you have somehow contracted to owe the SS tax, you don't owe it.
Form 4029 only gives you the BENEFIT of a number with which you can engage more easily in "the King's Commerce."
In return for the benefits the number gives you, you pay dearly because:
1) Form 4029 declares you, (a previously unindentured freeman), to be a "TAXPAYER", a code-word that binds you to the entire 7000+ pages of the Internal Revenue Code, and more.
2) Form 4029 contains a forbidden Perjury Oath (cleverly called a perjury declaration)
3) Form 4029 collects your signature
4) Form 4029 associates you with the "ALL CAPS NAME" which the Government owns and controls
5) Form 4029 asserts that you owe many other taxes which you don't actually owe (unless you are party to certain contracts)
OPTION : Do not ever sign any IRS form. Those forms are very cleverly worded traps. A free man is not liable to any Federal corporation just by being born upon this land. The only way one can be held liable to the IRS is by contracting for a benefit. Do not accept any governmnent benefit.

Form 4029?

Form 4029 is titled "Application for Exemption From Social Security and Medicare Taxes and Waiver of Benefits"

From the instructions on page two:

Who may apply. You may apply for this exemption if you are a member of,
and follow the teachings of, a recognized religious group (as defined below).

[...]

Recognized religious group. A recognized religious group must meet all the
following requirements:
• It is conscientiously opposed to accepting benefits of any private or public insurance that makes payments in the event of death, disability, old age, or retirement; makes payments for the cost of medical care; or provides services for medical care (including social security and Medicare benefits).
• It has provided a reasonable level of living for its dependent members.
• It has existed continuously since December 31, 1950.

This is a "trap"?

[JamesVincent]

FORM 4029
This form sounds like it gives you "exemption" from a tax you would otherwise owe, but unless you have somehow contracted to owe the SS tax, you don't owe it.
Form 4029 only gives you the BENEFIT of a number with which you can engage more easily in "the King's Commerce."
In return for the benefits the number gives you, you pay dearly because:
1) Form 4029 declares you, (a previously unindentured freeman), to be a "TAXPAYER", a code-word that binds you to the entire 7000+ pages of the Internal Revenue Code, and more.
2) Form 4029 contains a forbidden Perjury Oath (cleverly called a perjury declaration)
3) Form 4029 collects your signature
4) Form 4029 associates you with the "ALL CAPS NAME" which the Government owns and controls
5) Form 4029 asserts that you owe many other taxes which you don't actually owe (unless you are party to certain contracts)
OPTION : Do not ever sign any IRS form. Those forms are very cleverly worded traps. A free man is not liable to any Federal corporation just by being born upon this land. The only way one can be held liable to the IRS is by contracting for a benefit. Do not accept any governmnent benefit.

Form 4029?

Form 4029 is titled "Application for Exemption From Social Security and Medicare Taxes and Waiver of Benefits"

From the instructions on page two:

Who may apply. You may apply for this exemption if you are a member of,
and follow the teachings of, a recognized religious group (as defined below).

[...]

Recognized religious group. A recognized religious group must meet all the
following requirements:
• It is conscientiously opposed to accepting benefits of any private or public insurance that makes payments in the event of death, disability, old age, or retirement; makes payments for the cost of medical care; or provides services for medical care (including social security and Medicare benefits).
• It has provided a reasonable level of living for its dependent members.
• It has existed continuously since December 31, 1950.

This is a "trap"?

So just like basically everything else these whackjobs come up with its mis-interpeted BS. It doesnt have jack to do with what he says it has to do with and doesnt mean what he says it means. And since the Amish dont really meet the requirements since the group as a whole doesnt provide for the individuals, they provide for themselves, they wouldnt be using this form anyway.

[Unidyne]

Probably some Sovrun trying to rope unsuspecting Amish into his network.

Also, Amish don't have SSN's because they don't participate in Social Security. They DO, however, have TINs (Taxpayer Identification Numbers). I had an argument with someone over this who claimed that the Amish paid no income taxes. After I proved him wrong, he replied (his exact words), "Well, anyone can post anything on the Internet."

[Demosthenes]

Source:

http://yhvh.name/?w=842

[notorial dissent]

This isn't exactly rhetorical, but how many Amish do you know who use, and /or have a computer????

That website is something else entirely, a bit too English for my taste one way or another.

[Gregg]

This isn't exactly rhetorical, but how many Amish do you know who use, and /or have a computer????

That website is something else entirely, a bit too English for my taste one way or another.

Given a little thought, that is an excellent post. Set back, take a drink of your coffee, and try to imagine the idea of rallying the Amish,

on the internet.


And then go back to the other ideas, building a neo nazi political party to run in Israel, or the Luxury Jet pilot training targeted at the blind, music websites for the deaf.....

[ArthurWankspittle]

Given a little thought, that is an excellent post. Set back, take a drink of your coffee, and try to imagine the idea of rallying the Amish,

on the internet.

...In English (not high German). It is rather Kosher pig farming territory, isn't it?

[wserra]

Other pages from the same site: the mark of the beast, how DES is really "Lucifer encryption", the "right to travel" (in buggies?), and jobs making videos.

Amish, Shmamish.

[notorial dissent]

Certainly every bit as Amish as I am.

[Gregg]

A chain of rib joints


in Saudi Arabia

[notorial dissent]

The web site is so bad or good depending on how you look at it, that it could very easily be a very elaborate spoof, but if it is, someone has way too much time on their hands, and if it is for real they really have way too much time on their hands, as well as not being terribly bright.

[Pottapaug1938]

A chain of rib joints

in Saudi Arabia

With an attached brewpub.

[Arthur Rubin]

Source:

http://yhvh.name/?w=842

YHVH.name? Isn't the ".name" TLD supposed to be reserved for those who are the "person" named? Seems a bit blasphemous to me....

There's a solution of sorts inherent in that....

Edited to fix BBCODE.