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“I think they truly believe in what they’re doing,” said Craig Watz, supervisory special agent in the bureau’s Kansas City office. “That doesn’t make it legal.”

[Pottapaug1938]

"Fact is that which enough people believe. Truth is determined by how fervently they believe it."

-- Charles P. Pierce's Third Great Premise of Idiot America

[Unidyne]

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."

George Santayana, Life of Reason (1905)

[LPC]

I like the title: "Sovereign citizens: Crackpots, crooks or defenders of liberty?"

They got two out three right, which isn't bad.

[notorial dissent]

The thing is, that the only "liberty" they are usually defending is them not having to play by the same rules to rest of us have to. They're special you know, it doesn't apply to them.

[Pottapaug1938]

The thing is, that the only "liberty" they are usually defending is them not having to play by the same rules to rest of us have to. They're special you know, it doesn't apply to them.

That's why I sometimes think that our national motto is no longer "E Pluribus Unum" or "In God We Trust" but (said in the tones of a petulant child) "I Doan' WANNA Do That, An' You Can't MAKE Me!"

[Gregg]

E Pluribus Unum is latin for "out of many, one"

[Pottapaug1938]

E Pluribus Unum is latin for "out of many, one"

Yeah; but now the "one" isn't a collective "us", but an individual "ME, ME, ME!!!!!"

[Gregg]

What is Latin for, "Mine. mine, mine! Gimme, gimme, gimme!"?

Vote Democrat

[Paul]

Mike Royko used to claim that Chicago's motto (Urbs in Horto -- the city in the garden) should be Ubi est meum? -- Where's mine?

And, surprisingly enough, Greg, Chicago is famous for voting Democrat.

[Doktor Avalanche]

What is Latin for, "Mine. mine, mine! Gimme, gimme, gimme!"?

As near as I can tell:

Meis Meo Meum!

Source: Cassell's Latin-English Dictionary.

I can't render a proper translation for "gimme, gimme, gimme".

[grixit]

gimme: me date (may dah-tay)
mine: meum (may-oum)

[Number Six]

The thing is, that the only "liberty" they are usually defending is them not having to play by the same rules to rest of us have to. They're special you know, it doesn't apply to them.

"Special" and warped. The ones that I knew, like Walter Terhune of Barton, VT and "Reverend" Gary Hartsock of E. Lyndon, Vermont believed the laws were for the "slaves" not for themselves. Oh yes, some laws applied to every one, those that every civilization has enforced. But these modern pesky driving and tax laws simply do not apply to men of faith. That at least is the theory. By following "Caesar", submitting to his tyrranical dictates and the Beast system, you actually lose your eternal salvation, your soul as you grovel for your materialistic pottage, like Esau who despised his birthright. By having insurance, you abdicate your trust in God, who would provide for you 100% if you would just let go of your trust in the system. And by filing tax forms you actually make yourself and your family surety for the federal debt.

They leave quite a trail of unnecessary suffering, trying to "groom" recruits, Sandusky-like, so that the battle against the evil system will one day be won.

Narcissistic DSM IV Criteria



A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

[JamesVincent]

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

When did you meet my ex-wife? And what does it mean if they meet 8 out of the 9?

[Gregg]

Mike Royko used to claim that Chicago's motto (Urbs in Horto -- the city in the garden) should be Ubi est meum? -- Where's mine?

And, surprisingly enough, Greg, Chicago is famous for voting Democrat.

Especially the dead ones.