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[grixit]

I don't know about other states, but here in California i have run into several cases where someone became a notary on top of their regular job just for convenience. Specifically they were: a college guidence counselor, a college financial aid office clerk, a secretary in a 4 person office, and a part time staffer at a UPS store. So i'm guessing it's not that big a deal, probably just have to have a clean record, attend a seminar and sign some severe terms and conditions form. So why don't more sovereigns just try to become notaries themselves?

[Pottapaug1938]

I don't know about other states, but here in California i have run into several cases where someone became a notary on top of their regular job just for convenience. Specifically they were: a college guidence counselor, a college financial aid office clerk, a secretary in a 4 person office, and a part time staffer at a UPS store. So i'm guessing it's not that big a deal, probably just have to have a clean record, attend a seminar and sign some severe terms and conditions form. So why don't more sovereigns just try to become notaries themselves?

In Massachusetts, you have to show some sort of need for your commission; but that requirement is easy to satisfy. We don't have to attend any seminar; we just have to be familiar with, and comply with, the laws concerning notaries public.

As for why sovruns don't become notaries themselves, I'll bet that the leading reasons are 1) they don't want to be seen to accept any privilege from a government, which would injure their sovrun status, 2) since sovruns "outrank" notaries, that would be a step down for them; and 3) they know that their fellow sovruns engage in seriously sketchy legal maneuvers, and they don't want their notary seal on any of the paperwork generated in the process.

[webhick]

So i'm guessing it's not that big a deal, probably just have to have a clean record, attend a seminar and sign some severe terms and conditions form. So why don't more sovereigns just try to become notaries themselves?

You answered your own question.

[Kestrel]

If you're a sov'run why do you need to kiss the government's a** by using a government sanctioned notary? Can't you just commission yourself with your own hand-carved notary seal and homemade ink?

[ArthurWankspittle]

..... So why don't more sovereigns just try to become notaries themselves?

They do, meet "mrs" Jerry Kane aka Donna Wray and Florida notary.
As recommended by George Tran. (IIRC)

[Kestrel]

..... So why don't more sovereigns just try to become notaries themselves?

They do, meet "mrs" Jerry Kane aka Donna Wray and Florida notary.
As recommended by George Tran. (IIRC)

OK, that page names her a "Notary Presenter," along with a scant handful of other people in the nation. What the heck is a "Notary Presenter" anyway? I googled the term and got a bunch of hits that all appear to be sov'run websites.

The phone number listed on that Notary Presenter website is a Clearwater, FL, landline. The Florida Department of State official website does list the name Donna L. Wray of Clearwater, FL, as a legitimate Florida notary with a current notary certificate, valid 4/17/09 to 4/6/13.

She also appears to have held other Florida licenses, expired and void since 10/31/08, as a Face Specialist, Nail Specialist, and Body Wrapper.

[grixit]

Ok then. But did she give those beauty treatments to natural people or their strawmen?

[The Observer]

What the heck is a "Notary Presenter" anyway?

I don't know, but I know we should try to work it into the next Quatloosian title we hand out.

[notorial dissent]

She also appears to have held other Florida licenses, expired and void since 10/31/08, as a Face Specialist, Nail Specialist, and Body Wrapper.

Sounds like excellent credentials for a career in complicity to real estate and document fraud, and now that I think of it definitely slander of title.

[Gregg]

I don't know about other states, but here in California i have run into several cases where someone became a notary on top of their regular job just for convenience. Specifically they were: a college guidence counselor, a college financial aid office clerk, a secretary in a 4 person office, and a part time staffer at a UPS store. So i'm guessing it's not that big a deal, probably just have to have a clean record, attend a seminar and sign some severe terms and conditions form. So why don't more sovereigns just try to become notaries themselves?

There is a test. In Ohio, if you are a lawyer you are automatically a notary and you stamp reads "My Commission does not expire", and they get out of the test.

[JamesVincent]

I don't know about other states, but here in California i have run into several cases where someone became a notary on top of their regular job just for convenience. Specifically they were: a college guidence counselor, a college financial aid office clerk, a secretary in a 4 person office, and a part time staffer at a UPS store. So i'm guessing it's not that big a deal, probably just have to have a clean record, attend a seminar and sign some severe terms and conditions form. So why don't more sovereigns just try to become notaries themselves?

There is a test. In Ohio, if you are a lawyer you are automatically a notary and you stamp reads "My Commission does not expire", and they get out of the test.

My mother was a Notary for 30+ years while she was working as a Para-legal. The law firm she worked for paid for her fees when she needed to renew.

[Gregg]

What the heck is a "Notary Presenter" anyway?

I don't know, but I know we should try to work it into the next Quatloosian title we hand out.

Quatloosian Registrar Of Notary Presenters - currently vacant

Illuminati Pay Grade KS8, non-torture powers, appointed by secret committee for life

[notorial dissent]

A "Notary Presenter" is a soon to be ex-notary, as they apparently have severe reading and common sense issues.

The whole thing is based on the sovrun misconceptions about what a "notorial protest" is, and the very mistaken, read deluded, belief that by having a notary issue a protest over some issue, like a traffic ticket, jail sentence, fill in the blanks, that when whoever gets the nonsense tosses it as it so rightly deserves, then they have an automatic get out of jail free card for whatever nonsense they are peddling.

If their licensing authority gets wind of it, i.e. a complaint, the "Notary Presenter" will be a very quick ex-notary as the practice is a violation of the notary's office and authority, not to mention the state statutes involved.

The main thing is that if these bozo notaries don't understand that what they are doing is not only wrong, but illegal, it puts into question their other actions as well.

[Montana Notasovrun]

If their licensing authority gets wind of it, i.e. a complaint, the "Notary Presenter" will be a very quick ex-notary as the practice is a violation of the notary's office and authority, not to mention the state statutes involved.

The main thing is that if these bozo notaries don't understand that what they are doing is not only wrong, but illegal, it puts into question their other actions as well.

Well then, fine.... way to burst my bubble. I thought I might have a legitimate career choice here. I did wonder why all the sovereigns seemed to use the same notary and I think this is what that is all about. Probably big bucks to be made here as the sovrun types seem to be a just a wee bit gullible.

[JamesVincent]

Probably big bucks to be made here as the sovrun types seem to be a just a wee bit gullible.

Did we get an understatement of the year winner yet? I nominate ^

[notorial dissent]

The big/main/salient point here, if you care to delve further in to the website and look at a few of these things is that, the "Notary Presenter" is essentially preparing legal documents, taking legal actions, and in a sense acting as legal representative for their "client", a seriously big no-no under any state's laws, and they are charging upwards of $250 a pop for their services.

I think almost every state says about the same thing, and most of them have a set level of fee that can be charged for any given action, and only for the actions that are allowed by the notary law, and what they are proposing isn't allowed, or legal.

They aren't allowed to ad lib with the legitimate notorial protests that they can lawfully do, as those also come on proscribed forms, and have to be followed strictly to be valid and legal.

In fact, most states generally advise their notaries NOT to do or become involved in notorial protests unless they have been specifically trained in them.

[wserra]

Y'know, I've never really understood what a "notorial protest" is. As I think someone remarked earlier in the thread, if you google the phrase, almost all of the hits are to wacko sites like SEDM or famguardian. So I thought I'd try WestLaw. I searched the phrase in all NYS cases and statutes, NY federal opinions, and NYJur (the 70+ volume NY counterpart to AmJur).

Results: nothing. Not a single hit.

Good job, Illuminati TacOps team. Keep it up.

[notorial dissent]

A true "notorial protest"is really nothing more than a notarized cerificate by a notary stating that a negotiable instrument, note, bill of exchange, etc was presented for payment and rejected, basically an nsf for a negotiable instrument.

Before the days of central clearing and electronic transfers, bills of exchange etc were used to pay in distant/foreign markets, and when one of those was rejected for whatever reason, procedure was for the holder to go before a notary and have an official protest, certificate, done to preserve their legal rights. It is included in the UCC, but I doubt if it is much if at all used anymore simply because there are better more reliable ways to transfer funds these days.

Most jurisdictions discourage notaries from doing them, and it has ceased to be a function in some others altogether.

The make it up as they go along crowd latched on to this for some reason as a magic way to get around dealing with courts in their fantasy world, unfortunately for them, the process only applies, by the UCC, to a very narrow list of financial paper, and nothing else, but that doesn't stop them from trying.

[Pottapaug1938]

This "notorial protest" business reminds me of the way that sovruns try to use "allonges" for all sorts of uses not even remotely contemplated by the laws concerning them.

[Gregg]

Somewhere out there there is a group that found the phrase "Accredited Foreign Minister" or something similar. Now to me, (and the law's real meaning) that means The Honorable Minister From the Republic of France or some other person entitled to Diplomatic Immunity. This group thought it meant "what we do is have a church and print up ID tags where we're all Foreign Accredited Ministers, and then we'll be outside the jurisdiction of XXXXX, it says so right here...."

They have a little Sov'run Church Group, and they all have little laminated badges and everything. I remember reading about what happened when they tried to go into court with them....hilarity ensued.