I am starting a new topic on this, and none of the research is mine, but I do find it credible.
Here's a start at showing that Adam Montana is a guy named James Wolf who apparently started out trying to make a go of money making on the net in porn, and the odd MLM demiscam, before he discovered the big sucker list in the sky, Dinaridgits....
http://www.iraqidinarmoney.com/dinarspe ... om-review/
It also comes with the threatening lawyer trick!
more later...
Is this the real Identity of Adam Montana, Dinar Guru?
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Is this the real Identity of Adam Montana, Dinar Guru?
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Re: Is this the real Identity of Adam Montana, Dinar Guru?
Interesting how so very many different Dinar RV websites have the same IP address, or are run by the same people, or both.
Old-time snake oil salesmen would pepper the crowds with shills to drive up buyers' interest. Phony faith healing preachers would plug their crowds with people pretending to be healed. Here we have a few hucksters putting up multiple websites in an attempt to get suckers to believe there really is widespread marketplace confidence in Dinar RV profits.
It's all just internet spam.
Old-time snake oil salesmen would pepper the crowds with shills to drive up buyers' interest. Phony faith healing preachers would plug their crowds with people pretending to be healed. Here we have a few hucksters putting up multiple websites in an attempt to get suckers to believe there really is widespread marketplace confidence in Dinar RV profits.
It's all just internet spam.
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Re: Is this the real Identity of Adam Montana, Dinar Guru?
From Dinar Douchebags yesteray.
Thursday, May 10, 2012 Adam Montana Speaks
Yesterday Adam Montana spoke publicly for the first time about the revelations posted on my blog over the past six months. In his weekly Q&A session James Wolf aka Adam Montana responded as follows:
[kcw] Patriotic_mess Adam, you are well respected in the Dinar community and many people look to you as a guide (including myself). Yet there some people who have websites listing groups of gurus as scammers and you're name happens to pop up on a few of them. You yourself have said Adam Montana is not your real name and that's fine if you want to hide your real identity, but a few sites go into a lot of detail about the man behind the name and give pages of evidence that person or people are involved in some shady business. What do you have to say to these claims? I'm not accusing you of anything, I just want to hear what you have to say to these accusations. Thanks.
[Adam Montana] I'm perfectly happy to respond to the "accusations", but first I want to know if your name is really "patriotic mess" lol!
[Adam Montana] I assume not, but let's move on - no, my name isn't Adam. My contacts are real, the benefits provided for my VIP members after the RV have nothing to do with my "real" name, and my opinions are mine whether I'm an 80 year old Harvard graduate or a 25 year old business man.
[Adam Montana] If you agree with my opinions, awesome. If you don't - good for you as well
[Adam Montana] Regarding the "scam" part of my sites - lol! I don't give financial advice, it's clearly stated all over the place that VIP supports the site and there is no guarantee on anything here, and I'm probably the only "guru" out there that will actually tell you that you might take a loss on this investment.
[Adam Montana] *MIGHT*. We all know that.
[Adam Montana] Now, if you want my real name and address... please, give me a break I have a family, I have a life outside of Dinar, and I hope you can all respect that. [Adam Montana] next please!
Okay, now for my response to his response. First of all, I'm really surprised that Wolfyman even bothered responding to the "accusations". I think he would have been better off to simply ignore them, but just like Breitling he felt the need to say something. I guess I just assumed that he's smarter than Breitling. Maybe not.
As for protecting his family, Rudy Coenen, Brad Huebner, and Frank Villa have all provided their names for their members. Don't they have families? Do they care less about their families than "Adam" does? Or is something else at play here?
Personally I don't care if his name is James Wolf, Adam Montana, or Ebenezer McGillicuddy. The name isn't what's important. It's what the name is covering up that most people are concerned about. Maybe his name has nothing to do with VIP membership, but his claims about being a Harvard graduate who profited off the Kuwaiti dinar certainly do. Aren't people more likely to join VIP to take advantage of the best negotiated cash-in rates and the lucrative post-RV deals set up by a 50 year old Harvard grad who was savvy enough to profit off the Kuwaiti dinar than they are from a 35 year old high school dropout who was too young to profit off the Kuwaiti dinar and who has a history of running porn sites? Sure they are! And his alias is obviously a way of covering up his true identity which would cut into his bottom line.
What struck me the most about Adam's response is his non-denial denial. Wikipedia defines a non-denial denial as:
"a statement that seems direct, clearcut and unambiguous at first hearing, but when carefully parsed is revealed not to be a denial at all, and is thus not untruthful. It is a case in which words that are literally true are used to convey a false impression"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-denial_denial
In this session "Adam" never denied that his real name is James Wolf, and he never said that his claims about being a Harvard grad who profited off the Kuwaiti dinar were true. In fact he essentially said that it doesn't matter whether they're true or not. Incredible, huh? He also didn't say that he indeed traveled to Dubai where he met with his CBI contact. He just said "my contacts are real". Wow! Could you be more ambiguous?
Then he finishes up with "I don't give financial advice" and "there is no guarantee on anything here". Not the point. The point is he sold VIP membership based largely on a persona that he created rather than on the person he really is.
If people want to entrust their hard earned money to a guy with James Wolf's credentials then be my guest. But I think it's only fair that they know his true qualifications as opposed to what he has been presenting up until now.
Posted by Sam I Am at 7:34 AM
Thursday, May 10, 2012 Adam Montana Speaks
Yesterday Adam Montana spoke publicly for the first time about the revelations posted on my blog over the past six months. In his weekly Q&A session James Wolf aka Adam Montana responded as follows:
[kcw] Patriotic_mess Adam, you are well respected in the Dinar community and many people look to you as a guide (including myself). Yet there some people who have websites listing groups of gurus as scammers and you're name happens to pop up on a few of them. You yourself have said Adam Montana is not your real name and that's fine if you want to hide your real identity, but a few sites go into a lot of detail about the man behind the name and give pages of evidence that person or people are involved in some shady business. What do you have to say to these claims? I'm not accusing you of anything, I just want to hear what you have to say to these accusations. Thanks.
[Adam Montana] I'm perfectly happy to respond to the "accusations", but first I want to know if your name is really "patriotic mess" lol!
[Adam Montana] I assume not, but let's move on - no, my name isn't Adam. My contacts are real, the benefits provided for my VIP members after the RV have nothing to do with my "real" name, and my opinions are mine whether I'm an 80 year old Harvard graduate or a 25 year old business man.
[Adam Montana] If you agree with my opinions, awesome. If you don't - good for you as well
[Adam Montana] Regarding the "scam" part of my sites - lol! I don't give financial advice, it's clearly stated all over the place that VIP supports the site and there is no guarantee on anything here, and I'm probably the only "guru" out there that will actually tell you that you might take a loss on this investment.
[Adam Montana] *MIGHT*. We all know that.
[Adam Montana] Now, if you want my real name and address... please, give me a break I have a family, I have a life outside of Dinar, and I hope you can all respect that. [Adam Montana] next please!
Okay, now for my response to his response. First of all, I'm really surprised that Wolfyman even bothered responding to the "accusations". I think he would have been better off to simply ignore them, but just like Breitling he felt the need to say something. I guess I just assumed that he's smarter than Breitling. Maybe not.
As for protecting his family, Rudy Coenen, Brad Huebner, and Frank Villa have all provided their names for their members. Don't they have families? Do they care less about their families than "Adam" does? Or is something else at play here?
Personally I don't care if his name is James Wolf, Adam Montana, or Ebenezer McGillicuddy. The name isn't what's important. It's what the name is covering up that most people are concerned about. Maybe his name has nothing to do with VIP membership, but his claims about being a Harvard graduate who profited off the Kuwaiti dinar certainly do. Aren't people more likely to join VIP to take advantage of the best negotiated cash-in rates and the lucrative post-RV deals set up by a 50 year old Harvard grad who was savvy enough to profit off the Kuwaiti dinar than they are from a 35 year old high school dropout who was too young to profit off the Kuwaiti dinar and who has a history of running porn sites? Sure they are! And his alias is obviously a way of covering up his true identity which would cut into his bottom line.
What struck me the most about Adam's response is his non-denial denial. Wikipedia defines a non-denial denial as:
"a statement that seems direct, clearcut and unambiguous at first hearing, but when carefully parsed is revealed not to be a denial at all, and is thus not untruthful. It is a case in which words that are literally true are used to convey a false impression"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-denial_denial
In this session "Adam" never denied that his real name is James Wolf, and he never said that his claims about being a Harvard grad who profited off the Kuwaiti dinar were true. In fact he essentially said that it doesn't matter whether they're true or not. Incredible, huh? He also didn't say that he indeed traveled to Dubai where he met with his CBI contact. He just said "my contacts are real". Wow! Could you be more ambiguous?
Then he finishes up with "I don't give financial advice" and "there is no guarantee on anything here". Not the point. The point is he sold VIP membership based largely on a persona that he created rather than on the person he really is.
If people want to entrust their hard earned money to a guy with James Wolf's credentials then be my guest. But I think it's only fair that they know his true qualifications as opposed to what he has been presenting up until now.
Posted by Sam I Am at 7:34 AM
"Follow the Money"