Tim Turner indicted!

[Demosthenes]

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TAX
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 2012 (202) 514-2007
WWW.JUSTICE.GOV TTY (866) 544-5309

SELF-PROCLAIMED “PRESIDENT” OF SOVEREIGN CITIZEN GROUP INDICTED FOR TAX CRIMES

WASHINGTON – A federal grand jury in Montgomery, Ala., charged James Timothy Turner, also known as Tim Turner, with conspiracy to defraud the United States, attempting to pay taxes with fictitious financial instruments, attempting to obstruct and impede the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), failing to file a 2009 federal income tax return and falsely testifying under oath in a bankruptcy proceeding, the Justice Department, the IRS, and the FBI announced today.

According to the indictment, Turner, the self-proclaimed “President” of the sovereign citizen group “Republic for the united States of America,” conducted seminars at which he taught attendees how to file retaliatory liens against government officials and to defraud the IRS by preparing and submitting fictitious bonds to the United States government in payment of federal taxes. Turner is alleged to have attempted to pay his own taxes with a fictitious $300 million bond and to have assisted others in attempting to pay their taxes with fictitious bonds purporting to be worth amounts ranging from $10 million to $100 billion.

An indictment merely alleges that a crime has been committed, and a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If convicted, Turner faces a maximum of 164 years in federal prison, a maximum fine of $2,350,000 and mandatory restitution.

This case was investigated by special agents of the FBI and IRS – Criminal Investigation, and is being prosecuted by Trial Attorney Justin Gelfand of the Justice Department’s Tax Division and Middle District of Alabama Assistant U.S. Attorney Gray Borden.

[grixit]

Isn't this the group that removed all the governors last year, prepatory to a true common law government taking over?

[The Operative]

Isn't this the group that removed all the governors last year, prepatory to a true common law government taking over?

Yes, the same nuts.

[Demosthenes]

Pending Counts

18:371 CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD THE UNITED STATES
(1)
18:514(a)(2) FICTITIOUS OBLIGATIONS INTENDED TO DEFRAUD
(2)
18:514(a)(2)& 2 FICTITIOUS OBLIGATIONS INTENDED TO DEFRAUD; AIDING & ABETTING
(3-7)
26:7212(a) ATTEMPTING TO INTERFERE WITH ADMINISTRATION OF INTERNAL REVENUE LAWS
(8)
26:7203 WILLFUL FAILURE TO FILE RETURN
(9)
18:152(2) FALSE TESTIMONY UNDER OATH IN BANKRUPTCY PROCEEDING
(10)

[Demosthenes]

The indictment:
http://www.cheatingfrenzy.com/timturner1.pdf

And the CJA 23 means he's going for an attorney on the gov's dime. What a leech.

09/12/2012 1 INDICTMENT as to James Timothy Turner (1) count(s) 1, 2, 3-7, 8, 9, 10. (snc) (Entered: 09/13/2012)
09/18/2012 Case unsealed as to James Timothy Turner pursuant to notice of arrest from USMS. (ag, ) (Entered: 09/18/2012)
09/18/2012 4 MOTION for Detention by USA as to James Timothy Turner. (Gelfand, Justin) (Entered: 09/18/2012)
09/18/2012 Arrest of James Timothy Turner (kcg, ) (Entered: 09/18/2012)
09/18/2012 5 CJA 23 Financial Affidavit by James Timothy Turner (kcg, ) (Entered: 09/18/2012)
09/18/2012 6 Minute Entry for proceedings held before Honorable Judge Wallace Capel, Jr:Initial Appearance as to James Timothy Turner held on 9/18/2012 (PDF available for court use only) (Recording Time 2:10 - 2:15.) (kcg, ) (Entered: 09/18/2012)

[Demosthenes]

The Motion for Detention:

http://www.cheatingfrenzy.com/timturner4.pdf

[Famspear]

Here is some text, apparently from Tim Turner, at the web site for the "republic for the united States of America":

The United States exists in two forms: The original United States that was in operation until 1860; a collection of sovereign Republics in the union. Under the original Constitution the States controlled the Federal Government; the Federal Government did not control the States and had limited authority.

The original United States has been usurped by a separate and different UNITED STATES formed in 1871, which only controls the District of Columbia and it’s [sic] territories, and which is actually a corporation (the UNITED STATES CORPORATION) that acts as our current government. The United States Corporation operates under Corporate/Commercial Law rather than Common/Private Law.

The original Constitution was never removed; it has simply been dormant since 1871. It is still intact to this day. This fact was made clear by Supreme Court Justice Marshall Harlan (Downes v. Bidwell, 182, U.S. 244 1901) by giving the following dissenting opinion: “Two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and Independently of that Instrument.”

Tim Turner (or whoever actually wrote that) is a clever liar. The actual text from the dissent by Justice Harlan is as follows:

The idea prevails with some — indeed, it found expression in arguments at the bar — that we have in this country substantially or practically two national governments; one, to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to exercise. It is one thing to give such a latitudinarian construction to the Constitution as will bring the exercise of power by Congress, upon a particular occasion or upon a particular subject, within its provisions. It is quite a different thing to say that Congress may, if it so elects, proceed outside of the Constitution. The glory of our American system of government is that it was created by a written constitution which protects the people against the exercise of arbitrary, unlimited power, and the limits of which instrument may not be passed by the government it created, or by any branch of it, or even by the people who ordained it, except by amendment or change of its provisions.

In no way did Justice Harlan claim that "two national governments exist." He was reciting what he perceived to be an argument presented by someone else. And in any case, a dissenting opinion does not represent a ruling by the Court.

Tim Turner's blather continues:

The Restore America Plan reclaimed the de jure institutions of government of the 50 State Republics in order to restore Common Law that represents the voice of the people and ends Corporate Law that ignores the voice of the people while operating under Maritime/Admiralty/International Law. This occurred when warrants were delivered to all 50 Governors on March 30, 2010. The Governors refused to return to the de jure Constitutional Republican form of governance. We the People then elected officers and legislators to fill the vacant seats that were abandoned in 1871.

The rewritten 1871 Constitution of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION bypasses the original Constitution for the United States of America, which explains why our Congressmen and Senators don’t abide by it, and the President (CEO) can write Executive Orders to do whatever he/she wants. They are following corporate laws that completely strip sovereigns of their God given unalienable rights. Corporate/Commercial Law is not sovereign (private), as it is an agreement between two or more parties under contract. Common Law (which sovereigns operate under) is not Commercial Law; it is personal and private.

[ . . . ]

The UNITED STATES CORPORATION has no obligations or accountability to “We the People” except to make a profit as a corporation. The corporate interest does not benefit the people but uses the people and their labor to make profit for the corporation. This corporation is in concert with the corporate courts and banks to accomplish the theft of the people’s wealth. The unlawful transfer of the Constitutional money authority over to a private foreign bank (Federal Reserve) has completely devastated all of our lives. This crime of taking the money authority away from “We the People” must be corrected and restored back to the Constitutional Republican form of governance. This is the only way our country can become prosperous once again.

[ . . . .]

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: “The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States…

Prior to 1913, most Americans owned clear, allodial title to property, free and clear of any liens of mortgages until the Federal Reserve Act (1913) “Hypothecated” all property within the Federal United States to the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, in which the Trustees (stockholders) held legal title. The U.S. Citizen (tenant, franchisee) was registered as a “beneficiary” of the trust via his/her birth certificate. In 1933, the Federal United States hypothecated all of the present and future properties, assets, and labor of their “subjects,” the 14th Amendment U.S. Citizen to the Federal Reserve System. In return, the Federal Reserve System agreed to extend the federal United States Corporation all of the credit “money substitute” it needed.

Like any debtor, the Federal United States government had to assign collateral and security to their creditors as a condition of the loan. Since the Federal United States didn’t have any assets, they assigned the private property of their “economic slaves,” the U.S. Citizens, as collateral against the federal debt. They also pledged the unincorporated federal territories, national parks, forests, birth certificates, and nonprofit organizations as collateral against the federal debt. All has already been transferred as payment to the international bankers.
Unwittingly, America has returned to its pre-American Revolution feudal roots whereby all land is held by a sovereign and the common people had no rights to hold allodial title to property. Once again, We the People are the tenants and sharecroppers renting our own property from a Sovereign in the guise of the Federal Reserve Bank. We the People have exchanged one master for another.”

[ . . . ]

The Constitutional Republican form of government has been re-inhabited with office and legislative seats filled. As the Republic for the United States works hard to re-install this government, the knowledge and truth about what has happened needs to be told. All Americans need to know the history of this tragedy but with the good news about how it has been brought back. Much help is needed to correct all the unconstitutional laws, codes, and programs that plague our country today. The Republic for the United States of America is not a movement, it is the lawful government of the United States. Become part of the re-inhabitation process and get involved with the Republic for the United States of America.

From:

http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.or ... c/history/

[Famspear]

I assume that this is the guy, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfTFnvPq ... re=related

[notorial dissent]

Couldn't happen to a nicer, more deserving "person", at least it is comforting to know that he more or less practices what he preaches.

I suspect, that if they tried they could also get him for multiple counts of selling false, pseudo gov't documents, and generally defrauding his fellow sovruns, as he most certainly was the whole time he was pretend president, at least until they sort of wised up and quit paying attention to him. Amazing what a short attention span can do for you.

[ashlynne39]

With all the cheering about Tim's indictment, has anyone stopped to consider what this means. The President is under indictment. Who will run things? Who will make those all important decisions about the day to day business of the government? This is critical. The whole Rusa, Rap, whatever it is called might collapse and there goes the salvation of the whole country. Oh, what are we to do?

[fortinbras]

So far, Turner's organization has not reported this event to its followers:

http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/

(notice how the URL has a slightly different name for the org.

However the RFUS Facebook page does report the indictment with someone commenting that maybe they need to elect a new President.


And, it seems that the RFUS is sympathetic to one candidate for county sheriff in Nevada ....
http://ricoforsheriff.com/
... although he seems to think that the job has all the clout of the Sheriff of Nottingham.

[grixit]

With all the cheering about Tim's indictment, has anyone stopped to consider what this means. The President is under indictment. Who will run things? Who will make those all important decisions about the day to day business of the government?

Al Haig, of course!

[notorial dissent]

Isn't that taking the zombie thing just a little too far!!!

[Famspear]

With all the cheering about Tim's indictment, has anyone stopped to consider what this means. The President is under indictment. Who will run things? Who will make those all important decisions about the day to day business of the government?

Al Haig, of course!

I wonder how many people here catch that joke.

I mean, you have to be either up on your history, or, uhmmm....

..... a person of a certain age.....

[Famspear]

Here's a report from CBS News:

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/ ... rbLOw.cspx

And, please, let's have no jokes about the fact that Tim Turner is from a place called "Skipperville."

[Famspear]

And, a report from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/18/us/anti-g ... ?hpt=us_c2

[Famspear]

Skipperville, the small town that is regularly overshadowed by the bigger and more popular Barbietown, but slightly more desireable than Midgeton.

Ooooh, that's pretty bad.....



EDIT: And, can we please have a little decorum and solemnity around here? I mean, here we have Tim Turner, a great patriot, the "president" of the "Republic" of the "united" States of America and former leader of the "Guardians of the free Republics", who is ... (sob) facing (gulp...) oppression by the evil powers that be.....

Oh waaahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

[Thule]

EDIT: And, can we please have a little decorum and solemnity around here? I mean, here we have Tim Turner, a great patriot, the "president" of the "Republic" of the "united" States of America and former leader of the "Guardians of the free Republics", who is ... (sob) facing (gulp...) oppression by the evil powers that be.....

Nah, it´s just a ruse to flush out the ebildooers. After all, Tim arrested the governors' bonds and mumboed their kajiggers. They cannot do anything without his orders.

[Pottapaug1938]

Skipperville, the small town that is regularly overshadowed by the bigger and more popular Barbietown, but slightly more desireable than Midgeton.

Ooooh, that's pretty bad.....



EDIT: And, can we please have a little decorum and solemnity around here? I mean, here we have Tim Turner, a great patriot, the "president" of the "Republic" of the "united" States of America and former leader of the "Guardians of the free Republics", who is ... (sob) facing (gulp...) oppression by the evil powers that be.....

Oh waaahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

I have a mental picture of (ahahaha) President Turner, with a bewildered look on his face, sitting in his White House -- a white double-wide or a whitewashed cabin, parked in an open lot out in some remote neck of the woods....

[GlimDropper]

The Republic has issued a press release:

The Republic for the United States of America From the Desk of the Senate President pro tempore

Tuesday, September 18, 2012

Regarding: Detainment of President James Timothy Turner

RUSA Secured ID # RP364423711RUSA

On September 18, 2012 the unchartered Municipal Corporation unlawfully detained President James Timothy Turner. The unchartered Municipal Corporation (UNITED STATES) has taken a desperate action through their corporate policies which are clearly outside constitutional governance. This dishonorable act will reveal to Americans that the United States must return to the Constitution and the rule of law.

The re-inhabited government of the Republic for the United States of America was accomplished in law and documented with intent and determination to show the world that law is demanded by all peoples of all nations. The international community will condemn this act and reveal much about how the unchartered Municipal Corporation has enslaved, harmed, and stolen all people’s wealth and prosperity worldwide. The Republic for the United States always operates in honor, peace and dignity and will ensure a government that gives life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to “We the People” once again. This way of life can be for all peoples of the world with the Republic for the United States of America as the beacon to show the way. Please keep the Republic in your prayers and stay firm to demand in peace and honor that the rule of law prevails with God’s help to heal the land.

May God Bless the Republic,

James Buchanan Geiger

Senate President pro tempore

The Republic for the United States of America

The only thing I'll give President Turner credit for is that publicly at least he always advocated non violence. Let's hope his republic sticks to that.