Tim Turner indicted!

[LightinDarkness]

I'm of the opinion that Turner could very well deserve 167 years - lets think about what hes done here. Over the years, he has engaged in paper terrorism and taught scores of others on how to do the same. Thanks to him and his followers, he has slowed down speedy due process in numerous courts (which impacts the people actually seeking justice through legitimate means) and harassed/threatened numerous civil servants with fake liens. He has through his numerous sovereign citizen schemes, including RuSA, essentially taught people how to guarantee they never get real solutions to their legal problems. His teachings have lead to numerous people taking things like routine traffic tickets and ending up in jail or with huge fines (RuSA weekly calls are a testament to this). People who could have declared bankruptcy and started clean of their debts years ago have held out for the promise of billions of tons of gold coming any day now for 5+ years.

Turner has essentially destroyed peoples lives. And its true, many of them are so gullible that if it wasn't Turner and RuSA it would be some other scam. But his actions should have consequences when they impact the courts - thus stopping others from getting justice while the court has to deal with the paper terrorism - and harass court personnel.

[grixit]

While the bombast and nerve does sound a great deal like our ole buddy Screwy Louis, and he'd certainly take the money, and would more than likely make the claim, I thought he was strictly a Washington boy, and I can't imagine PAM tolerating another loon of the first water sharing his territory.

I believe that "Territorial Conflict in the Loon of the First Water (Sovereignius Enabilus)" was one of David Attenborough's less popular documentaries.

[fortinbras]

I am not at all clear on Luis Ewing. The only one I can locate is in Seattle, where he is a chronic plaintiff but does not claim to be a lawyer. He may or not be the same Luis Ewing who posted an open letter to Wesley Snipes that he was going to have all his taxes redone and set him free.

Who is the one in San Diego - or is there a mountebank lawyer in San Diego of another name - and what craziness has he been in?

[notorial dissent]

The San Diego individual may well be a pretend lawyer to go along with the pretend FRUSAoids, or may well just be another figment of their collective imaginations. Since no one has actually come forward to claim the honor, I am betting on figment. Too much in FRUSA world is in cloud cuckoo realm to spend too much time worrying about it.

[wserra]

I am not at all clear on Luis Ewing. The only one I can locate is in Seattle, where he is a chronic plaintiff but does not claim to be a lawyer.

Actually, he does. We have a whole thread on him.

[fortinbras]

Oh Jeez. He says he's a "tribal attorney". This is not to be confused with being a real lawyer nor with being able to represent someone in federal or state courts.

It appears that once Ewing conned a client (defendant in a criminal case) that the client would appear pro se, but that Ewing would secretly ghostwrite his pleadings, and this was desirable because, according to Ewing, the case of Argersinger v. Hamlin (1972) 407 US 25, 32 L.Ed.2d 530, 92 S.Ct 2006 said that he couldn't be jailed before the end of the trial if he said he was pro se. Argersinger does not say that; it says that a misdemeanor defendant is entitled to a court appointed lawyer, if financially qualified, if the charges have a plausible risk of incarceration (as distinct from a fine or public service). Ewing wanted to be paid an enormous amount - $1,300 - just to review a limited number of pages arising from the case, and would charge additional sums for more pages. His former client is a very unhappy camper in a very unhappy camp for the next several years.

I am amazed that Ewing has not been locked up for this. For Ewing, prison would mean confronting some of his dissatisfied customers.

[notorial dissent]

Screwey Luis is a for real pretend attorney in the finest tradition. He and that other great legal mind PAM have a lot in common, starting with overweening egos, a lack of grounding in reality, and a similar win loss record, i.e. zip all.

[grixit]

an imaginary friend for hire.

[notorial dissent]

Actually, a pretend saviour for pretend President for Life Jimmy Tim, just like his pretend gov't. The only difference is that this imaginary friend is in someone else's delusion.

[gatsby]

Prexy Tim had another hearing today on his motion to dismiss his attorney. No news on what happened.

A docket update:

01/10/2013 Documents RECEIVED from US Marshal from Donna Louise Streier (as POA for James Timothy Turner). [Package of documents; not filed per Judge Capel; physically located in an expansion folder with case file.] (ag, ) (Entered: 01/10/2013)

01/10/2013 Documents RECEIVED as delivered by US Mail Post Office at 11:03 a.m. to Clerk's Office (opened in mail room per mail protocol) from Donna Louise Streier (as POA for defendant) as to James Timothy Turner. [Package of documents in envelope; not filed per Judge Capel; physically located in an expansion folder with case file.) (ag, ) (Entered: 01/10/2013)

01/16/2013 49 Minute Entry for proceedings held before Honorable Judge Wallace Capel, Jr:Pretrial Conference as to James Timothy Turner held on 1/16/2013 (PDF available for court use only) (Recording Time 9:13 - 9:17.) (kcg, ) (Entered: 01/16/2013)

01/16/2013 51 Pro Se MOTION to attend the pretrial conference by James Timothy Turner. (war, ) (Entered: 01/17/2013)

01/17/2013 53 ORDER as to James Timothy Turner that an ex parte hearing on Defendant's pro se Motion to Dismiss Attorney (Doc. 50 ) is set for January 24th at 10:30 a.m. in Courtroom 5A, Frank M. Johnson, Jr. Federal Building and United States Courthouse Complex, One Church Street, Montgomery, Alabama, before the undersigned Magistrate Judge. The Clerk of the Court is directed to provide a court reporter for this proceeding. The United States Marshal is directed to produce the defendant for this proceeding. Further, itis ORDERED that the Motion (Doc. 50 ) and Response (Doc. 52 ) shall be placed under seal. Further, it is ORDERED that Defendant's pro se Motion to attend the pretrial conference (Doc. 51 ) is DENIED as moot. Signed by Honorable Judge Wallace Capel, Jr on 1/17/2013. (ag, ) (Entered: 01/17/2013)

01/17/2013 54 SECOND PRETRIAL CONFERENCE ORDER as to James Timothy Turner: Jury Selection & Trial (ETT 2 Weeks) set for 3/18/2013 10:00 AM in Dothan, Alabama before Honorable Judge Myron H. Thompson; Notice of Intent to Change Plea due by noon on 3/6/2013. Signed by Honorable Judge Wallace Capel, Jr on 1/17/2013. (ag, ) (Entered: 01/17/2013)

01/18/2013 Document RECEIVED as delivered by US Mail Post Office at 10:32 a.m. to Clerk's Office (opened in mail room per mail protocol) from Donna Louise Streier (as POA for defendant) as to James Timothy Turner. [Document in envelope; not filed per Judge Capel; physically located in an expansion folder with case file.) (ag, ) (Entered: 01/18/2013)

[notorial dissent]

I see the pretend president is still filing pretend legal documents, that are getting the treatment they undoubtedly deserve, the equivalent of the judicial roundfile.

[gatsby]

How much can that "expansion folder" expand?

[Cathulhu]

Biggest expansion folder I ever used was good for just shy of a foot of paper documents. Poor clerk might have to go buy a second one!

[notorial dissent]

At the rate Jimmy Tim generates BS documents they might want to splurge on a filing cabinet just to be safe.

[The Observer]

Biggest expansion folder I ever used was good for just shy of a foot of paper documents. Poor clerk might have to go buy a second one!

Second one? They have to buy a new folder everytime a new motion or brief is filed.

[gatsby]

It appears that Prexy Turner did fire his attorney! While there's nothing on the docket about the Jan. 24 court hearing on that issue, suddenly there are references to "standby defense counsel."

Also, the federal prosecutor, in a recently filed motion, said "the United States anticipates calling more than ten witnesses from out-of-state."

01/28/2013 57 ORDER as to James Timothy Turner: Status Conference set for 3/8/2013 02:00 PM in Courtroom 2FMJ before Honorable Judge Myron H. Thompson. The government is to arrange for the presence of defendant Turner at the status conference; standby defense counsel is to be present; and government counsel are to be present.. Signed by Honorable Judge Myron H. Thompson on 1/28/2013. (ag, ) (Entered: 01/28/2013)

01/28/2013 58 ORDER as to James Timothy Turner that the United States Magistrate Judge is to make appropriate arrangements for the subpoenaing of witnesses for defendant Turner. Signed by Honorable Judge Myron H. Thompson on 1/28/2013. (ag, ) (Entered: 01/28/2013)

01/28/2013 59 ORDER as to James Timothy Turner that, four business days before the jury-selection date, the government and defendant are each to file a brief (1) summarizing the evidence to be presented at trial; (2) setting forth the elements of the crime(s) charged and how the evidence does or does not satisfy those elements; and (3) addressing any evidentiary issues they think may arise at trial. Signed by Honorable Judge Myron H. Thompson on 1/28/2013. (ag, ) (Entered: 01/28/2013)

01/28/2013 60 MOTION Set Trial First on Trial Term by USA as to James Timothy Turner. (Gelfand, Justin) (Entered: 01/28/2013)

01/28/2013 Document RECEIVED as delivered by US Mail on 1/28/2013 to Clerk's Office from Donna Louise Streier (as POA for defendant) as to James Timothy Turner. Physically located in an expansion folder with case file. (ag, ) (Entered: 01/29/2013)

01/29/2013 61 ORDER granting 60 Motion to set trial first on trial term as to James Timothy Turner (1). Signed by Honorable Judge Myron H. Thompson on 1/29/2013. (ag, ) (Entered: 01/29/2013)

01/30/2013 62 ORDER as to James Timothy Turner: Status Conference set for 3/8/2013 10:00 AM in Courtroom 2FMJ before Honorable Judge Myron H. Thompson. Again, the government is to arrange for the presence of defendant Turner at the status conference; standby defense counsel is to be present; and government counsel are to be present. Signed by Honorable Judge Myron H. Thompson on 1/30/2013. (ag, ) (Entered: 01/30/2013)

01/30/2013 63 ORDER as to James Timothy Turner: Ex Parte Hearing (w/defendant and standby counsel) set for 2/4/2013 11:00 AM in Courtroom 5A before Honorable Judge Wallace Capel Jr. The U.S. Marshal is directed to produce Defendant for the hearing. The Clerk of the Court is directed to provide a court reporter for this proceeding. Signed by Honorable Judge Wallace Capel, Jr on 1/30/2013. (ag, ) (Entered: 01/30/2013)

[gatsby]

It seems like this is headed toward something in Turner's favor if he's allowed to represent himself. His "defense" will be a sovcit farce that will prove better than the prosecution's case that he's a nut who wanted to avoid paying taxes while making money by showing others how to do the same.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems such a charade that resulted in conviction would be overturned on appeal.

[ArthurWankspittle]

01/28/2013 60 MOTION Set Trial First on Trial Term by USA as to James Timothy Turner. (Gelfand, Justin) (Entered: 01/28/2013)

What does this mean?

[gatsby]

01/28/2013 60 MOTION Set Trial First on Trial Term by USA as to James Timothy Turner. (Gelfand, Justin) (Entered: 01/28/2013)

What does this mean?

It means the federal government requested that the judge hold the trial for this case before he holds trials for other (unrelated) cases. It's for scheduling reasons. The judge granted the motion.

I uploaded the motion here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/123241322/USA ... Trial-Term

[gatsby]

The transcript from Prexy Tim's Oct. 1 arraignment and detention hearing was scheduled for release yesterday. I just tried to download it from pacer.gov, but was told I don't have access. Maybe it'll be available in a few days.

Here's the docket entry that says it would be available for public download yesterday:

11/05/2012 30 TRANSCRIPT of ARRAIGNMENT AND DETENTION HEARING (PDF ACCESS RESTRICTED FOR 90 DAYS.) held on October 1, 2012 before Judge Wallace Capel, Jr. as to James Timothy Turner. Court Reporter/Transcriber Patricia Starkie, Telephone number 334 262-1221. Transcript may be viewed at the court public terminal or purchased through the Court Reporter/Transcriber before the deadline for Release of Transcript Restriction. After that date it may be obtained through PACER. NOTICE OF INTENT TO REQUEST REDACTION DUE WITHIN 7 BUSINESS DAYS. Redaction Request due 11/26/2012. Redacted Transcript Deadline set for 12/6/2012. Release of Transcript Restriction set for 2/4/2013. (snc) (Entered: 11/05/2012)