Sooey charged with murder 2

[Nikki]

at Sooey Thread

Wrongfully Charged!!!!!! Fellow friend in need!!!

A criminal charge gone bad, a charge that should have been "vechicluar manslaughter" changed to second degree murder, now how does a drunk, very drunk person go and do such a thing on purpose? It doesnt happen, it was an accident and just that but anyways here is the case..

We put the whole entire court on notice via "NOTICE BY WRITTEN COMMUNICATION/SECURITY AGREEMENT",
"AFFIDAVIT BY SPECIAL VISITATION",
"SECURITY AGREEMENT"(FIRST 2 PAGES),
"HOLD-HARMLESS AND INDEMNITY AGREEMENT",
"PRIVATE AGREEMENT",
CERTIFED COPY OF UCC FINANCING STATEMENT
AND A CERTIFED PUBLISHED COPYRIGHT NOTICE FROM THE COUNTY RECORDERS OFFICE.

Once all these documents were sent out, on the 6th day we went back to the notary and asked if anyone of the listed on the letter of "CERTIFICATION OF NON-RESPONSE", REPLIED and she said NO!!! Therefore another letter was sent out via REGISTERED MAIL and it contained the letter "CERTIFICATION OF NON-RESPONSE", therefore justifing a non-pros judgement.

We were under the impression that if a judgement of "NON-PROS" was received that the case was over with and dismissed??? Can someone please verify if this is correct or if we were living in a twilight zone....

The Prosecutor said that we are MENTALLY ILL...

PLEASE ADVISE IF WE ARE DOING THIS CORRECTLY.

Seems to be doing it perfectly. He's laid the grounds for an insanity plea.

Actually, a drunk driver who kills someone gets absolutely zero sympathy. It's just a shame that the rest of us are going to have to pay for his room and board for the next 20 years.

Perhaps he could be sentenced to go to work for the Insurance Institute -- as a passenger in the crash tests.

[aksis]

at Sooey Thread

Wrongfully Charged!!!!!! Fellow friend in need!!!

A criminal charge gone bad, a charge that should have been "vechicluar manslaughter" changed to second degree murder, now how does a drunk, very drunk person go and do such a thing on purpose? It doesnt happen, it was an accident and just that but anyways here is the case..

We put the whole entire court on notice via "NOTICE BY WRITTEN COMMUNICATION/SECURITY AGREEMENT",
"AFFIDAVIT BY SPECIAL VISITATION",
"SECURITY AGREEMENT"(FIRST 2 PAGES),
"HOLD-HARMLESS AND INDEMNITY AGREEMENT",
"PRIVATE AGREEMENT",
CERTIFED COPY OF UCC FINANCING STATEMENT
AND A CERTIFED PUBLISHED COPYRIGHT NOTICE FROM THE COUNTY RECORDERS OFFICE.

Once all these documents were sent out, on the 6th day we went back to the notary and asked if anyone of the listed on the letter of "CERTIFICATION OF NON-RESPONSE", REPLIED and she said NO!!! Therefore another letter was sent out via REGISTERED MAIL and it contained the letter "CERTIFICATION OF NON-RESPONSE", therefore justifing a non-pros judgement.

We were under the impression that if a judgement of "NON-PROS" was received that the case was over with and dismissed??? Can someone please verify if this is correct or if we were living in a twilight zone....

The Prosecutor said that we are MENTALLY ILL...

PLEASE ADVISE IF WE ARE DOING THIS CORRECTLY.

Seems to be doing it perfectly. He's laid the grounds for an insanity plea.

Nikki, more non-sense from you?

People traveling via the right of way doesn't excuse a violation of someone else's Right to Life.


Regardless of the charge,

The paperwork they submitted simply means the man is who needs to be charged and not the person. Not that they are crazy.

People should be held accountable, not the fiction. You can't hide behind a 'mask' when you harm others.

Non of that paperwork prevents valid suits at law. It simply requires that the case be tried in a Court, and not in an Administrative forum, and, that the man be charged and not the fiction.

The Prosecutor needs to name the man, and the Court needs to summon the man, not his LEGAL PERSON.

Call him by his true name, as one of the People.


Sincerely,

Christopher Theodore: Rhodes

P.S.

Also note, after the paper work the charge changed from a statutory charge to a common law one:

"vechicluar manslaughter" changed to second degree murder...

Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life

[notorial dissent]

I don’t know about the mentally ill part, but certifiably stupid and delusional though for a fact.

Thee who babbles incessantly about fictions and does not recognize one when it comes up and slaps you in the face. You are truly pathetic. The so called documents are a crock and legally and actually meaningless. The person committing the crime has been charged and the collection of nonsense sent to the court has no bearing on anything, reality in particular. It is you who needs to get a grip on reality, for you have only a nodding acquaintance with it currently. The silliness sent to the court is of no meaning or value, and the it is the DA who determines what charges will be filed and how they will be prosecuted, not someone making up silly documents to waste time. I will also add that I hope the DA has the sense to file a complaint with the state notary supervisor to have the fool who got herself involved in this license revoked for stupidity above and beyond what is acceptable in a public officer.

[aksis]

Thee who babbles incessantly about fictions and does not recognize one when it comes up and slaps you in the face. You are truly pathetic. The so called documents are a crock and legally and actually meaningless. The person committing the crime has been charged and the collection of nonsense sent to the court has no bearing on anything, reality in particular. It is you who needs to get a grip on reality, for you have only a nodding acquaintance with it currently. The silliness sent to the court is of no meaning or value, and the it is the DA who determines what charges will be filed and how they will be prosecuted, not someone making up silly documents to waste time. I will also add that I hope the DA has the sense to file a complaint with the state notary supervisor to have the fool who got herself involved in this license revoked for stupidity above and beyond what is acceptable in a public officer.

That's your opinion. I find it smacks of psychosis.

You fail to even make clear distinctions between lawful and legal.

You put form over substance.

You fail to look past the 'mask' because you have confused your self with it... and thus you confuse People with their person[s].

May you be judged by a jury of the very people you have mislead.

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The Prosecutor said that we are MENTALLY ILL...

It appears that the prosecutor has a good handle on things.

Looks like the Sooooeys will be able to count yet another jailbird among their number, assuming any insanity defense fails.

[Randall]

You fail to even make clear distinctions between lawful and legal.

Oh, do tell us the difference - if you can.

[Imalawman]

Also note, after the paper work the charge changed from a statutory charge to a common law one:

"vechicluar manslaughter" changed to second degree murder...

Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life

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I'm pretty darn sure that whatever state he's in has a statutory 2nd degree murder or murder in the second degree. Not that you really understand the difference anyway.

[Judge Roy Bean]

This is one I'd normally reply to on Sui, but the technocrats around this office aren't comfortable with what happens when logging in on their site so I'll do the next best thing:

Wrongfully Charged!!!!!! Fellow friend in need!!!

A criminal charge gone bad, a charge that should have been "vechicluar manslaughter" changed to second degree murder, now how does a drunk, very drunk person go and do such a thing on purpose? It doesnt happen, it was an accident and just that but anyways here is the case...

How does a very drunk person do such a thing on purpose? By drinking and then making the decision to drive which deliberately and knowingly puts everyone else at risk.

...We put the whole entire court on notice via "NOTICE BY WRITTEN COMMUNICATION/SECURITY AGREEMENT",
"AFFIDAVIT BY SPECIAL VISITATION",
"SECURITY AGREEMENT"(FIRST 2 PAGES),
"HOLD-HARMLESS AND INDEMNITY AGREEMENT",
"PRIVATE AGREEMENT",
CERTIFED COPY OF UCC FINANCING STATEMENT
AND A CERTIFED PUBLISHED COPYRIGHT NOTICE FROM THE COUNTY RECORDERS OFFICE.

Once all these documents were sent out, on the 6th day we went back to the notary and asked if anyone of the listed on the letter of "CERTIFICATION OF NON-RESPONSE", REPLIED and she said NO!!! Therefore another letter was sent out via REGISTERED MAIL and it contained the letter "CERTIFICATION OF NON-RESPONSE", therefore justifing a non-pros judgement.

We were under the impression that if a judgement of "NON-PROS" was received that the case was over with and dismissed??? Can someone please verify if this is correct or if we were living in a twilight zone...

Your impression was wrong. And yes, you are living in the Twilight Zone. Nothing you spent all that time putting together and plastering around various places has any meaning, let alone effect. It's something you picked up from nutballs who will now tell you you didn't quite do it just right, but they know it worked for someone, somewhere.

The Prosecutor said that we are MENTALLY ILL...

He or she is just being courteous. It is very difficult not to laugh when these kinds of things crop up in civil cases. In criminal cases involving the death of someone at the hands of a drunk driver there is really no amusement.

PLEASE ADVISE IF WE ARE DOING THIS CORRECTLY.

Only if you like wasting your time, making fools of yourselves and jepoardizing your friend's(?) case. 'Round here I'd have your sorry butt in the cell next to him just to protect local folks from dangerously stupid people.

Oh, and the accused needs someone to at least provide him or her with real-world (not your Twilight Zone) advice.

[Dezcad]

The paperwork they submitted simply means the man is who needs to be charged and not the person.

I have one question about this.

When the "person" is convicted and then housed in prison, where will the "man" be?

Could you answer in reality terms, please?

[Prof]

Also note, after the paper work the charge changed from a statutory charge to a common law one:

"vechicluar manslaughter" changed to second degree murder...

Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life

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I'm pretty darn sure that whatever state he's in has a statutory 2nd degree murder or murder in the second degree.
not that you really understand the difference anyway.

I'll try to explain the difference:

MOST STATES DO NOT HAVE COMMON LAW CRIMES IN THE YEAR 2007. MOST STATES HAVE ADOPED CODES OF CRIMINAL LAW AND CODES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE. THOSE CODES DEFINE CRIMES, DEFINE THE ELEMENTS OF CRIMES, FREQUENTLY DEFINE DEFENSES, AND DEFINE THE EXACT PROCEDURES USED TO PROSECUTE THOSE CRIMES.

When I was a very young man in law school, at the University of South Carolina, there was a course called "Common Law Crimes," because, in large part, South Carolina had not adopted a criminal code and still used common law pleadings and procedures.

Since that date, (in fact, beginning in the mid-1970's) SC has enacted a code of laws (and procedures) not unlike the United States Code. See it here: http://www.scstatehouse.net/code/statmast.htm You will notice that SC now has two titles dealing with crimes:

Title 16-- Crimes and Offenses
Title 17-- Criminal Procedures

In title 16, you will find an extensive discussion/definition of the crime of murder and lesser offenses where the killing of another human is involved.

Codification of the Common Law has been an on-going process since the 1840's. Many folks did not want to leave what the "law" was to the elite, judicial analysis of common law precedents and commentary. Therefore, reformers pushed state legislatures and Congress to "codify" the law to remove caprice and uncertainty. While you can criticize the results, Codification won. By the way, the "end" of the common law has nothing to do with Erie. That case stands for the propsition that there is no federal common law in diversity cases. Erie says that the common law (or, now, statutory law) of the jurisdiction whose law would otherwise apply in state court controls, although federal procedure applies.

There is federal common law in non-diversity (federal jurisdiction) cases, where there is no applicable codification of the law in the US Code. One example is the adoption of UCC art. 9 in the context of competing liens, one held by the SBA (a federal agency) and the other (s) held by banks. The 5th Circuit held that art 9 had become the common law of the US for purposes of lien perfection and lien priority in a case in which the SBA and the banks were fighting for superiority (banks won, SBA lost).

These concepts really are not very complicated, and actually make sense.

[Cpt Banjo]

It's hard to believe that there are people so out of touch with reality that they think that homicide charges should be dismissed simply because no one responded to their unbelievably inane filings.

[Prof]

Not always known for his reasonable views on things, even BOBT12 is trying to reach these crazies:

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A few of us have been studying the UCC and Common-law rules and laws, after all the study we have came across and all the people we talked to that have used this system, they said put the ENTIRE court house and whomever is involve on NOTICE and give them 5 days to response to a true and correct "AFFIDAVIT BY SPECIAL VISITATION", or a "JUDGEMENT" of "NON-PROS" would be received by the defendant, all of this has been done and is very well documented, so we ask you, have the rules or laws changed for these procedures???

Your friend is not charged with anything that falls under the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC). He is charged with,


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A criminal charge gone bad, a charge that should have been "vechicluar manslaughter" changed to second degree murder, now how does a drunk, very drunk person go and do such a thing on purpose?

And you are not addressing this situation, which falls under CRIMINAL LAW!


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Is this not the correct way of doing this???

I am afraid it is NOT! Please see my prior post. At the very least check your copy of the UCC for how it deals with the charge of Murder.


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Doesnt the "JUDGEMENT" of "NON-PROS" mean anything???

No! Your friend is charged with a CRIME, there is a DEATH involved, the state may make him stand trial under the CONSTITUTION! PLEASE READ YOUR STATE'S CONSTITUTION, before continuing this line of thought!
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Ok, keeping in mind you say none of these tactics work what-so-ever, how about start INVOICING all people involved for violating the unauthorized use of the comman-law Copyright Name, start the paperwork and come down to the last day where you take all of which is mentioned in the Copyright Notice non-judically and then play a game of "LETS MAKE A DEAL", more or less they(court) lose their stuff(i.e. money, houses, cars, etc. $500,000.00 per occurence) and win a case or keep their stuff and lose the case (i.e. driver gets a case dismissed) (fair trade huh?).... Does anyone think this is the only option???


THE_WHITE_FOUNDATION

Hopefully, these folks will not try to "invoice" the Court, the law enforcement agents and the prosecutors involved, or they may find themselves in jail with their employer. And, their employer may find himself facing even more criminal charges including those related to attempting to coerce the judge.

[Nikki]

Not always known for his reasonable views on things, even BOBT12 is trying to reach these crazies:

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Hopefully, these folks will not try to "invoice" the Court, the law enforcement agents and the prosecutors involved, or they may find themselves in jail with their employer. And, their employer may find himself facing even more criminal charges including those related to attempting to coerce the judge.

But there's always a voice of insanity to offset those who think at all

If it did not work it is likely you did something incorrectly.

Did the man being charged do his paperwork himself or did he have help?

The CERTIFICATION OF NON RESPONSE should not have said CERTIFICATION.

It should have been an AFFIDAVIT OF TRUTH IN THE FORM OF A CERTIFICATION OF NON RESPONSE.

Was it apostiled or just notarized?

You probably needed to wait until AFTER the TENTH day, and likely jumped the gun by going on the SIXTH day.

Also why did you send the same CERTIFICATION OF NON RESPONSE paperwork out twice?

Your copyright papers might have been worded incorrectly.

Did you have the four red fox stamps in each corner?

Did you have the post office cancel the stamps?

Did you mail it to yourself from the same post office that cancelled the stamps on the paperwork?

This is a very important step.

Are you certain you put the whole court on Notice?

Did you include the Clerk of Court?

Did you include Risk Management?

Did you Notice each PARTY AT INTEREST by certified mail return receipt?

Did you get the Green Cards back?

The notary should have known to do that.

Did you send copies of the Green Cards out with your second mailing?

Did you make sure to locate a notary that specializes in these things?

Not all notaries know what they are doing when it comes to this.

Also, are you sure that this is one of the instances where using a notary is called for?

If you use a notary when you were supposed to be doing it yourself, it will not work.

Did you include the letter rogatory?

Do you have a certified copy of the judge's Oath of Office?

There was no need to send a "NOTICE BY WRITTEN COMMUNICATION/SECURITY AGREEMENT."

This could go against you.

Also a SPECIAL VISITATION is only served in person, under the supplemental rules for Admiralty.

What was in the PRIVATE AGREEMENT?

Are you absolutely certain you did everything correctly?

When you use this stuff you have to dot every "i" and cross every "t."

Also what exactly did you put the court on notice OF?

This is very important.

When the accused went to court did he go straight to the judge and say:

1. "I am here to contract?"

2. "Who wants to contract?"

3. "What is your name?"

4. "Do you have a claim against me?"

5. "Does anyone here have a claim against me?"

6. "I am here to contract."

7. "Who wants to contract?"

etc.?

This should work if you do it right.

If it does not work it is because you did it wrong.

(Emphasis added)

[Imalawman]

Wow, that is the rambling of a mad man. I wonder if you could involuntarily commit someone based on that writing alone. I think it might just be possible.

[webhick]

ISNT there a Commercial Issue when the Government sticks there head in to a soveriegn mans life without permission and started using there private property for the benefit of the court, where they will turn around and start using the defendants name for monetary gain(in more then 1 way)????

The guy royally pissed me off with his first post...and now his total lack of regard for the person who died - a person who can never come home, never provide for their family, never see their kids again.

This guy is really stacking up evidence to the theory that "sovereigns" only care their rights and couldn't give a rat's ass about the rights of others.

Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to a fair trial, but this guy seems to want the case dismissed. He seems to want to pretend that his boss had a right to kill someone and get away with it because he owns a business that employs 25-30 people. Tough noogie. Maybe his boss should have thought of that before he made the mistake of getting behind the wheel when drunk.

And then this "story" about a rig running his boss off the road...Well, if he and his passenger hadn't been inebriated (with the inevitable muddied reactions that come with it) then the severity of the accident more than likely could have been avoided. Or perhaps he caused the whole mess by driving recklessly causing the rig to lose control and accidentally run him off the road; driving in the rig's blind spot and when the rig goes to change lanes, he was run off the road; driving down the wrong side of the road and the rig had to swerve to miss him and he also swerved off the road. No one knows because it's just an unverified story.

I got so pissed off last night, I tried to search news articles for recent drunk driving deaths...must have been doing it wrong because the only recent thing I came up with was something out of Kentucky where a 24-year-old killed his 20-year-old passenger in a drunk driving accident.

This Sui is disgusting.

[The Observer]

Was it apostiled or just notarized?

You probably needed to wait until AFTER the TENTH day, and likely jumped the gun by going on the SIXTH day.

Also why did you send the same CERTIFICATION OF NON RESPONSE paperwork out twice?

Your copyright papers might have been worded incorrectly.

Did you have the four red fox stamps in each corner?

Did you have the post office cancel the stamps?

Did you mail it to yourself from the same post office that cancelled the stamps on the paperwork?

This is a very important step.

The above strikes me as bordering on the practice of alchemy. The mental image is of Mssr. MRG, sitting in his basement-converted-to-a-medieval laboratory, continuing to look for the philospher stone that will convert illiterate court briefs into non-taxable FRNS.

[Cobalt Shiva]

Good grief. I guess the dead guy falls under "acceptable losses" to a "sovereign citizen."

I really wish these dumbasses could get their paradise for 24 hours--because most of them would be dead long before that time was up.

[silversopp]

Anyhow, the gist of their arguments is that, as "sovereign citizens," "common law freemen," or whatever, they are not subject to any laws they have not consented to. I kid you not.

Why can't our legal system be fun? If a SC goes to court over a traffic infraction and uses that argument to get out of paying $100 or so, I say the court should accept the argument. The following day, the court prints a statement in the local newspapers letting everyone know that they may do anything they want to the SC's person or property. If his car gets stolen or house robbed, the theif can say "I never consented to laws against theft." After his house is ransacked, I bet the SC would start to learn to appreciate these laws a bit more.

We get a few of the sovereign citizen types that show up to our Libertarian Party meetings. They all are white, male, 30-50s, show a strong dislike of minorities, poorly dressed, unshaven/frazzled hair, and seem only interested in distributing their literature: 9/11 Truth, Tax Protester, Federal Reserve, Alex Jones, or some religious pamphlets. Ask them to stuff envelopes or walk a precinct a few times, and they stop showing up.

[Cobalt Shiva]

Ask them to stuff envelopes or walk a precinct a few times, and they stop showing up.

Why, that would be work, and we all know that work is a four-letter word. (Count 'em yourself if you don't believe me!)

[silversopp]

Why, that would be work, and we all know that work is a four-letter word. (Count 'em yourself if you don't believe me!)

More importantly, is "work" a four letter word in the original Hebrew?