Ed's call to arms

[SteveSy]

Again, the DOJ wanted the IP's of everyone that made certain types of searches on all major search engines.

I think Sybil is talking about some terrorism probes that Google was resisting some time ago. No reason to think that it had anything to do with tax protesters.

Actually it had to do with kiddie porn.

But it's a typical Sybil-Diversion. Make one ridiculous assertion, and defend it with another ridiculous assertion. Keep piling it higher and deeper and maybe we'll give up before we can dig our way out of the dung.

It's a variation of the "Big Lie" technique, but instead of one "big lie" it's a series of lies. Much more effective that way.

Considering you were one of the advocates of investigating people for merely donating to WTP or signing their petition regardless if they committed publicly to not paying I think the "Big lie" squarely lands in your part of the world.

[LPC]

But it's a typical Sybil-Diversion. Make one ridiculous assertion, and defend it with another ridiculous assertion. Keep piling it higher and deeper and maybe we'll give up before we can dig our way out of the dung.

It's a variation of the "Big Lie" technique, but instead of one "big lie" it's a series of lies. Much more effective that way.

Considering you were one of the advocates of investigating people for merely donating to WTP or signing their petition regardless if they committed publicly to not paying [...]

Liar. I've never said any such thing.

[Judge Roy Bean]

Strange how they almost always ask for all their email lists after they're indicted. I guess they just want it for _____?

Prove it.

They don't really have to ask so the point is moot.

Unless they're managing their own email server and know how to vigorously protect it (both somewhat costly and unlikley) the list will be handed over by their ISP to almost anyone with a badge that smells of homeland security.

If on the odd chance they're managing their own and it's physically at a service provider hosting site, it's still not protected. Hosting companies aren't going to argue with the people in dark suits with no sense of humor they're aware of.

Keep in mind the ONLY real restriction on gathering information is the USE of it as evidence in a grand jury or trial setting. Obtaining it (even illegally) can be extremely valuable regardless of its use as evidence.

Even though a list of email subscribers will lead into all kinds of through-the-looking-glass rabbit holes, it becomes more and more useful after cross-matching with other databases.

Years ago it would have taken enormous computer resources to conduct this kind of analysis. Now the commercial providers of these services have the tools and technology to sell the results (or exchange them for other data elements) to the companies who want it and to agencies who are allegedly not supposed to do it themselves.

If you don't think this is what is going on, you really need to get up to speed on data privacy issues.

[Joey Smith]

Personally, I hated most of the elective classes since they were usually taught lecture-style, which takes all the fun out of it. Instead of being part of an intellectual give-and-take, you work the crossword puzzle while taking notes of highlighted points. Although terrifying to many at first, I thought that the Socratic method was by far and away the funnest part of law school.

[Florida]

Personally, I hated most of the elective classes since they were usually taught lecture-style, which takes all the fun out of it. Instead of being part of an intellectual give-and-take, you work the crossword puzzle while taking notes of highlighted points. Although terrifying to many at first, I thought that the Socratic method was by far and away the funnest part of law school.

I remember my contracts professor made us stand up and brief the cases for the first few weeks. He'd also use a deck of cards to call our names...much worse than simply going down the rows. I mean, you had to be like, prepared for like, every class and stuff.

[LPC]

You have no idea how much I am looking forward to Year 2 and electives - one I really want to take is Internet Law.

There are laws on the Internet?

S**t, I thought it was all dog eat dog, and lawless frontiers. If there are actually laws, I probably won't bother to come back.

[LPC]

I remember my contracts professor made us stand up and brief the cases for the first few weeks. He'd also use a deck of cards to call our names...much worse than simply going down the rows. I mean, you had to be like, prepared for like, every class and stuff.

When I took contracts, everyone had seen "The Paper Chase," and then we actually got to read and talk about the "hairy hand case." So everyone was really keyed to read the case about squeezing the rubber ball, and we finally asked the professor about it, but he claimed he "wasn't teaching the movie."

What a downer.

[Judge Roy Bean]

You have no idea how much I am looking forward to Year 2 and electives - one I really want to take is Internet Law.

Internet law is an oxymoron.

[silversopp]

You have no idea how much I am looking forward to Year 2 and electives - one I really want to take is Internet Law.

Internet law is an oxymoron.

Internet law is quite simple:

1. The internet is a series of tubes
2. The internet is not a dump truck

Any internet related question can be answered by tracing back to one of those two truths.

[While1Fork]

You forgot:

3) These tubes can be filled.

In the advanced class, we learn how our staff sends us Internets that take five days to arrive because of contemplated net neutrality legislation.

[ElfNinosMom]

I think the very fact - that some worry simply being on an email list will possibly trigger a federal investigation of one's activities - says a lot more about the widespread fear and distrust of government, than it ever would or even could say about the Browns and/or their supporters.

Problem is, I'm not really sure Stevie's wrong when he says that it's a risk to be on that email list. I don't trust the government at all, in an age of warrantless wiretaps and suspension of habeas corpus, and neither should anyone else.

It's not paranoia, if they're really watching you.

[Nikki]

I think the very fact - that some worry simply being on an email list will possibly trigger a federal investigation of one's activities - says a lot more about the widespread fear and distrust of government, than it ever would or even could say about the Browns and/or their supporters.

Problem is, I'm not really sure Stevie's wrong when he says that it's a risk to be on that email list. I don't trust the government at all, in an age of warrantless wiretaps and suspension of habeas corpus, and neither should anyone else.

It's not paranoia, if they're really watching you.

We're not -- but those are really nice shoes.

[Demosthenes]

I think I'll mail Ed some handcuffs.

My fellow countrymen and woman your assistance is needed.

Have people send stuff for Ed and Elaine to me

Liberty Defense Project
22 Highland ave
Randolph , VT 05060

Anything sent should be double wrapped. The outside label addressed to me, the inside addressed to Ed and Elaine. It will be treated as personal and confidential. Only Ed and Elaine will know what is in the packages and envelopes I receive. I will see to it personally. As Commander of the VT Div. of the US Constitution Rangers I am bound by the Constitution to assure the privacy and security of the Brown’s property that includes anything sent to them via the US Mail, FedEx, UPS, etc.

Protecting your freedom and guarding the Constitution,
Bob Wolffe, Commander USCR , VT. DIV.

spread far and wide

[webhick]

If only we could send them some Haloperidol.

[Nikki]

How about a nicely double-wrapped envelope of a few tablespoons of Gold Bond Medicated Powder?

[grixit]

I wonder if Bob Wolffe has any skimming in mind.

[Demosthenes]

I wonder if Bob Wolffe will enjoy federal prison.

[Demosthenes]

Bob Wolffe Enters VT State Representative Race
8/20/2006 9:17:40 PM

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Media Contact: Bob Wolffe, 802-728-9913, wolffeman@adelphia.net

Bob Wolffe Enters Vermont State Representative Race

(August 7, 2006) Bob Wolffe this week announced his candidacy for the Vermont House of Representatives in Orange-Addison1 District that includes the towns of Braintree, Brookfield, Granville, and Randolph. He will appear on the Republican primary ballot in September and is seeking the Libertarian nomination as well.

Alarmed by a state government that is out of touch with thea people, Wolffe promises action, "I want to be part of the solution. I have been involved by writing letters and calling our representatives for years. I’m running in order to be a voice for the forgotten working Vermonter. Standing up and being counted is my way of protecting the future of my family and other working families in Vermont."

Wolffe, 48 years old, is married and has three grown children. He served in the U.S. Army during the post-Vietnam era and has 19 years of military and Federal civil service. From 1995 to 1998 he owned the Pittsford Village Store in Pittsford, Vermont. Remembering those years, Wolffe lamented, "I know how unfriendly Vermont is to businesses of all sizes; if Vermont is going to maintain its world class quality of life, that attitude has to change for the better."

"We need more accountability from our government in order to reduce the tax burden on the people. People in Vermont are tired of paying high property tax. It raises our cost of living and makes our paychecks smaller. Good paying jobs in Vermont are becoming harder to find because of government regulations which are too complicated and deter large corporations from establishing businesses in the state. Better paying jobs will raise the standard of living and will make health care more affordable."

He believes Vermont should be a leader in this nation in the development of renewable sources of energy. "We must promote these enterprises for our future growth as well as for a cleaner environment". Currently working for local full-service Energy Company, Wolffe sees first-hand how high fuel prices are affecting Vermonters. "I know the hardships of those trying to maintain their household budget in the face of higher heating fuel and gasoline costs".

Wolffe grew up in the Randolph area and attended Randolph schools until enlisting in the U.S. Army in 1976. Wolffe is confident he can have a positive effect in Montpelier, "I have the life experience, the understanding of how government operates, and a willingness to challenge the establishment to make things better for hard working Vermonters and their families."

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My fellow countrymen and woman

Gosh, one whole woman amongst all those country-people.

I'll bet Bob's got a really nifty Constitution Ranger badge, too.

[webhick]

If the people running against Bob are smart they'll make it known to the public that he's acting as a mail drop for Ed Brown.