Gene Chapman returns

[Gene Chapman]

So let's get past the introductions. If you were trying to design a civilization based on Truth and non-violence, how would you all proceed?

Gene

[Famspear]

From Gene Chapman's resume:

Education:

BAAS -- Bachelor of Applied Arts and Sciences, University of North Texas, Denton, Texas (2011-2012--nine classes to go).
Concentrations: Art, Sociology and Philosophy/ Religion
Career Specialization: Economics (Pre-Law)

In other words, I take it, you don't actually have a Bachelor of Applied Arts and Sciences degree. You have "nine classes to go." You didn't finish?

Major: Law, Concentration: Philosophy, Baylor University, Waco, Texas (1992-1993).

You majored in law at Baylor? Without first obtaining a bachelor's degree from an accredited college or university? But no degree? You didn't finish?

Major: Pre-Med/ Biology, Concentration: Psychology, Dallas Baptist University, Dallas, Texas (1991-1992).

No degree? You didn't finish?

[Tested "genius level" (their words) in foresight (the ability to project out future probabilities) and music; gifted in ideaphoria (brainstorming/ rapid flow of ideas) and analytical reasoning (organization of ideas and information logically and quickly). ]

Yeah, right.

Major: Biblical Theology, Tabernacle Baptist Bible College, Greenville, South Carolina (1985-1986).

No degree? You didn't finish?

[Gene Chapman]

"Interesting!

I believe that when you first made that claim ElfNinosMom (one of your favorite people) followed up on it. She contacted the FBI authorities in charge of the situation at Waco. In a word, they your claim was a flat-out lie. If you'd like, I can go to the Internet WayBack machine to recover copies of that conversation OR I can submit a simple FOIA request to the FBI regarding your alleged involvement in the Waco situation.

In either case, I'd be happy to forward that information to your Congressman as a little background on your veracity and memory.

By the way, weren't you involuntarily committed for psychiatric evaluation around the time of your one-man march on Washington in your RV with the leaky propane tank?

See, Gene, some of us do have good memories and don't have any interest in warping the truth.

We look forward to hearing from your Congressman."

Gene's reply: Please feel free to do what you wish. If you see my claims change, you let me know.

The propane tank was filled by the Greenville police. When I bought the RV in 2000, I tested the tank, and it was bone dry. They were trying to make the federal agents happy by planting propane in the tank to the brim after the fact. You'll believe what you want, but it one reason I cannot quit my work. The government operates with impunity against Truth. Arun Gandhi told me to expect such, and he was correct.

Gene

[Gene Chapman]

What would I do with a bachelor's degree? I have an associates, and it got me $36,000 in debt, and I hate the heat of welding. I got a Motion Picture diploma that isn't worth the paper it's written on, and I'm too old to start motion picture work anyway (It's a kids game).

Tolstoy's writings tell me that law school lacks moral credibility for one on a Gandhian path. I'm not a Calculus III guy, so being an economist is not a real option.

I like The History of Economic Thought master's and Ph. D. path at Verderbilt, but I'm 47 and not rich.

I've been pitched a Sociology master's and Ph. D. path, but it doesn't entice me to be a sociologist.

Your ideas?

Gene

[Gene Chapman]

Sorry, "Kid's game."

Gene

[Gene Chapman]

So let's get past the introductions. If you were trying to design a civilization based on Truth and non-violence, how would you all proceed?

Gene

[AndyK]

Gene

We're not interested in "seeing if your claims change."

We ARE interested -- as advocates and fact-checkers for the voters who might have the opportunity to vote for (chortle) or against you -- in having you change them to reflect the actual facts of the incidents which occurred -- or (such as in the case of Waco) did not occur.

And why isn't your stay in the mental health evaluation unit mentioned in your CV? Are you ashamed that you seemed to be a serious risk to yourself and others at one time?

[Cathulhu]

So let's get past the introductions. If you were trying to design a civilization based on Truth and non-violence, how would you all proceed?

Gene

That isn't the purpose we came here for, and I don't particularly feel like writing you a utopia story, gratis.

And yet you keep repeating your dumb question. You do know the definition of insanity?

[Gene Chapman]

"And why isn't your stay in the mental health evaluation unit mentioned in your CV? Are you ashamed that you seemed to be a serious risk to yourself and others at one time?"

They didn't tell me I was supposed to put my hospital time on a CV. The fact is that I was only diagnosed with being depressed for over two years from my long fight with the IRS. Promote the Truth all you want. It's the errors you people promote I'm concerned about.

Gene

[Gene Chapman]

Come on, yall are the great wise ones of the universe.

So let's get past the introductions. If you were trying to design a civilization based on Truth and non-violence, how would you all proceed?

Gene

[Famspear]

Come on, yall are the great wise ones of the universe.

So let's get past the introductions. If you were trying to design a civilization based on Truth and non-violence, how would you all proceed?

Gene

Come on, Gene, you're the great wise one of the universe. Let's get past the introductions. If you were trying to psychoanalyze Gene Chapman, how would you proceed?

[AndyK]

Gene

Just remember that the questions we'asking and the issues we're aising are TRIVIAL compaed to what you' face if your campaign for the Texas Governor's Office ever gets off the ground.

Your opponents and the media will dig into every aspect of your life and spin the facts to be in the most favorable light for THEM.

Although your desire for an idyllic, utopian society might be admirable, it has two glaring major flaws.

First, you are dealing with people, not all of whom share your enlightenment. There will be an immense amount of resistance.

Second, even assuming that you are able to establish your little paradise on earth, the big bully next door (next county, next state, next country) is going to stroll in and take it. Why do you think there are police forces and armies? Are murderers, child molesters, thieves of property, rapists, etc just going to vanish?

Perhaps you should step back and evaluate if this latest pipe dream of yours is worth the effort and expense which it will require of you.

Mahatma's theories and practices only worked in India because the British were to polite to just kill him and all his followers. That situation doesn't exist anywhere today.

[Gene Chapman]

If we do not seek possession, the bully next door cannot steal. I see your points, but I think the world is on a path of destruction, and only an enlightenment will save it.

I'm sure I'm in for quite harsh treatment, but my conscience will not let me hide.

Gene

[Pottapaug1938]

If we do not seek possession, the bully next door cannot steal. I see your points, but I think the world is on a path of destruction, and only an enlightenment will save it.

I'm sure I'm in for quite harsh treatment, but my conscience will not let me hide.

Gene

Considering you posed the same question FOUR times, and at least twice were told that Quatloos is NOT designed as a forum for debating such issues, you well deserve any "harsh treatment" which you receive here.

[LPC]

I'd love to explore Quaker theology.

I received an email with a similar message.

I'm actually not sure if there is a such a thing as "Quaker theology." Quakers are non-credal, which means that we have no agreed-upon statement of faith or "theology." There are Quakers who are fundamentalist, and others who identify as agnostic. It's a mixed bag.

[LPC]

Come on, yall are the great wise ones of the universe.

So let's get past the introductions. If you were trying to design a civilization based on Truth and non-violence, how would you all proceed?

Are we required to include human beings in the design?

I mean, if we're working for Truth and non-violence, it's much more difficult if there are human beings involved. See, e.g., the Bible.

(I feel like I'm talking to an infant. Like, yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. And yes, Gene Chapman, there is violence in the world.)

[Gene Chapman]

Yes, that was my email. So Quakers have no creed? Tell me more about this non-democracy aspect, please?

Gene

[Gene Chapman]

"Are we required to include human beings in the design?"

People/ over population is a problem. I took a Sociology class in 2012 that explored the growing global population problem. Monsanto's seed issue is evidence of the market responding to the reality of overpopulation. We found in researching India that educating people to the problem gave the best solution to overpopulation. Once people understood that having large families directly impacted everything in the world in a negative way, the people chose to lower family sizes. The was no badge and gun threatening people, and the people began to work the issue in a free market mindset. It was a very Gandhian solution that is still gaining momentum.

I believe all problems can be addressed in that way. However, it takes Quaker patience to let everyone at the table of ideas get their concerns heard. That's why I use Quaker Democracy in the way I do, though I'm sure I'm not schooled well enough to use Quaker correctly yet.

Gene

[Arthur Rubin]

People/ over population is a problem. I took a Sociology class in 2012 that explored the growing global population problem. Monsanto's seed issue is evidence of the market responding to the reality of overpopulation. We found in researching India that educating people to the problem gave the best solution to overpopulation. Once people understood that having large families directly impacted everything in the world in a negative way, the people chose to lower family sizes.

I take issue with that. My understanding is that, with increasing wealth, families have fewer children. There is no evidence that ecology has anything to do with it.

I suppose things could be different in India. In China, the "one child per family" law is considered to be the dominant influence in reducing population increase.

[Gene Chapman]

I'd have to see evidence to support the one child policy being the mover. My understanding from class is that imposition of law was creating an overpopulation of males without sexual outlet and resulting conflict within the culture. When the laws were relaxed, people began to operate on education alone, and it's supposed to be working better, the Gandhian way.

Off to work.

Gene