cclogic scam slanders competition using fake forum

[lawyerscam]

Reporting of Competitors as Scams by the http://www.cclogic.com false forum

Please check all the links and accept only the facts not the babbling of numerous phantom posters. Note how they accuse another competitor of posting this. Every competitor is a scammer because the cclogic forum tells me so.

http://www.cclogic.com has a forum. It is here:
http://www.cclogic.com/forum/content/

The cclogic.com website has no history on the internet prior to 2010, see archive.org
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cclogic.com
Yet they maintain the posters on this phoney forum joined in early 2009, usually Jan.2009.
See for yourself by traveling around the false forum.
They use this forum to attack their competition shamelessly with lies and allegations from made up screen names.

TALKGOLD.COM is one who they attack. Talkgold.com is a competitive forum. See it for yourself yet they shamelessly troll for clients in talkgold. Warning foul language used.
The link to their slander of talkgold.com is here:

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f18/talkgo ... -ever-705/

Cclogic being in the credit card merchant account business has taken to using their phoney forum that is brand new with make believe identities to bad mouth their competition. See for your self:

Easycharge.net – the cclogic slander page is here:
http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f12/any-re ... -net-1109/

Their website goes back to 2003 in the way back machine.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://easycharge.net
And we are supposed to believe cclogic?

Pharmacymerchantaccounts.com is the next victim.
Here is the cclogic slander page.
http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f11/pharma ... -them-291/

They do seem to be a new business but that does not make them bad.

The next victim is: http://www.totalmerchantservices.com/
Here is their slander page for this one:
http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f10/big-no ... scam-2526/

The next one is templates.com.
Their slander page is here:
http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f61/warnin ... scam-8608/

http://www.Patrasys.com is another victim of their, also a competitor. Imagine that. Seems like all their competitors are scammers in their false forum.
http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f61/beware ... fraud-273/

Then we have http://www.safepay.net another competitor victim of cclogic.com
The cclogic slander page is here:
http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f3/safepay ... them-1113/
If any of these cclogic.com scam victims wish to be part of an effort to take legal action on different levels against these scammers contact us here using the email address or phone that appears on your website for security reasons:
nomoreblackmail@hushmail.com
We will offer the collective sharing of information on the people to assist in ending this scammers career in fraud.

[bmielke]

I would like to see some more evidence, and I believe this is in the wrong forum.

I really don't like clicking on unknown links to unknown sites so maybe you could copy and quote the revelant sections and your refutations of them.

How is this an offshore scam?

[webhick]

Actually, it does appear to belong here as cclogic does appear to do a lot with offshore companies and banking. I'm going to look further into the claims and see what I can find.

[webhick]

Please check all the links and accept only the facts not the babbling of numerous phantom posters. Note how they accuse another competitor of posting this. Every competitor is a scammer because the cclogic forum tells me so.

The forum has 18k posts. Many of them do not appear to have anything to do with their competitors.

The cclogic.com website has no history on the internet prior to 2010, see archive.org
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://cclogic.com
Yet they maintain the posters on this phoney forum joined in early 2009, usually Jan.2009.

The Wayback Machine, while awesome, is not a definitive resource for when a site starts to exist. For example, there is a site I built August/September of 2009 which archive.org has nothing on.

For cclogic.com, the domain name was registered 08/18/2001 and archive.org shows that it was parked up to early 2005. It didn't collect anything on the site in 2006, picked up an error message in 2007 and then hasn't bothered archiving the site since then.

I looked further at the forum. The earliest member on any forum is the Admin and the join date is always the date the forum was started. In this case, the Admin's join date was 12/29/08. Yes, there is a way to change this, and while I'm not that familiar with VBulletin's internals, I'm almost certain it would involve manipulating the database. Sometimes that's easy, sometimes hard. Considering (looking at the source of the homepage) that the entire site is built on Joomla and VBulletin, both of which my mother can use, the chances are good that the forum was installed on 12/29/08.

Reading bits of the forum, the writing style changes and there seems to be differing (even if only slightly) opinions. How many of these posts do you think are faked? A few, the majority of the 18k posts or somewhere in between?

See for yourself by traveling around the false forum.
They use this forum to attack their competition shamelessly with lies and allegations from made up screen names.

What leads you to believe that these screen names are faked?

Easycharge.net – the cclogic slander page is here:
http://www.cclogic.com/forum/f12/any-re ... -net-1109/

Their website goes back to 2003 in the way back machine.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://easycharge.net
And we are supposed to believe cclogic?

I looked at the thread on cclogic and it looks like exactly what I expected since cclogic appears to offer the same service as easycharge.net. Do you expect them to give an unbiased opinion? Also, I'm not sure what the significance of your archive.org results mean. No where on that thread do they say that easycharge was started after 2003, so it's not like cclogic is lying about the start date. Maybe you're trying to imply that since it'd been around since 2003, it is unlikely to be a scam? Did you know that Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC was started in 1960?

If any of these cclogic.com scam victims wish to be part of an effort to take legal action on different levels against these scammers contact us here using the email address or phone that appears on your website for security reasons:
nomoreblackmail@hushmail.com
We will offer the collective sharing of information on the people to assist in ending this scammers career in fraud.

I'd like to know what the nature of the scam is. You keep calling them scammers but you're not saying how they're scamming people.

Not that I'm saying they're not scammers. I don't know anything about the legality of offshore accounts, but the word offshore always blips on my scam-dar.

lawyerscam, tell me what happens when someone emails you. Do you tell them how to contact the authorities? Does it cost anything? And more notably, what is involved in this "collective sharing of information?"

[webhick]

I've been digging into CClogic some more. The whois for the domain name lists the following for the domain contact:

CCLOGIC LLC
Pete Leeman
77 Strovolou Avenue
Strovolos Center, Off. 204
Strovolos
Nicosia
2018
CY
Phone: +357.22589361

So, I went up to the Cyprus government site and found their equivalent to the Corporate Division/Secretary of State's office. It's called the "Department of Registrar of Companies and Official Receiver." That link should open up the English version of the site. From there, I clicked on "Search Through the Registered Organisations" which is located on the left part of the screen. I searched for CCLogic (one word) and found out that they registered their company name on 08/08/2008, with a registration number of 235593. Unfortunately, that's pretty much all the site says.

Moving on. I looked up the address in the whois to see if maybe it was a mail drop. From what I can tell, it doesn't appear to be the case as I found a dentist and a few other businesses in the same building. What I do find odd that is that a lot of scammy-looking lottery sites state at the bottom of the page: "Credit card transactions are processed by Ledonford Ltd. 77 strovolou Avenue Strovolou Centre, 204 floor, 2018 Strovolos, Nicosia, Cyprus." Considering that the building with the most floors in the world comes in at 160, I think it's pretty safe to say that it's not "204 floor" but "office 204." CCLogic processes credit cards as well. I'll look into this further, but it may just be a coincidence.

Now it's about to get interesting. It appears that CC Logic will set you up as an offshore company in one of four jurisdictions. There are three packages per jurisdiction with the most expensive in each being "Anonymous."

My favorite is Cyprus because CC Logic has this to say about forming there:

We have 2 types of Cyprus companies, as far as their tax status is concerned. These are:

(a) A Cyprus resident company which is taxed at 10% on its profits.
(b) A Cyprus non-resident company which is not taxed.

The place where management and control of the company is exercised determines the residence status of the company. If the majority of the company Directors are Cypriots, then it can be assumed that decisions are taken in Cyprus and the company is Cyprus resident. This is why we use Cypriot nominee directors.

A Cyprus resident Company pays 10% tax, can get Cyprus Tax Resident Certificate and can distribute to its shareholders all remaining profits without any withholding taxes. Also the company can take advantage of more than 40 double tax treaties that Cyprus signed with various countries. It can get a VAT Registration number.

A Cyprus non-resident company, pays no taxes, but it cannot take advantage of the double tax treaties network and cannot get a Cyprus Tax Resident Certificate. It cannot get a VAT Registration number.

Registered Office must be in Cyprus since it is a Cyprus company. It cannot be anywhere else (any other country)

Emphasis mine. Because the Cyprus government site has this to say about taxes:

Cyprus imposes corporation tax on 'companies': this term includes all companies incorporated or registered under any Cyprus law, and any foreign company which carries on business or has an office or place of business (permanent establishment) in Cyprus.

In July, 2002, as part of the Income Tax Act No. 118(I) of 2002, Parliament approved a uniform 10% corporate tax rate, to apply to both onshore and offshore companies, plus a 2% levy on wage bills (meant to subsidise pensioners), and a 'Special Contribution' related to defence which in effect applies the 10% corporate tax rate to inter-company dividend and interest payments. However, the rules are complex.

An additional tax of 5% is imposed on company profits exceeding CYP1,000,000 for the years 2003 and 2004.

As from 2003, Cyprus applies a residence-based taxation regime: "Resident in the Republic", when applied to a company, means a company whose management and control is exercised in the Republic; and "non-resident or resident outside the Republic" will be construed accordingly.

Again, emphasis mine. It's possible I'm reading it wrong, but it appears that Cyprus is going to hit companies with a 10% tax no matter if they're a onshore or offshore.

ETA: It just dawned on me that I didn't look at those double-tax treaties. Will do that and report back.
In the British Virgin Islands, CC Logic says that as part of the formation fee of $1,795 they will provide the following:

* Registration of a BVI Company
* BVI Office Address
* Government Registration
* Registered Office Address
* Original corporate documents with apostille
* Corporate Seal

But according to an advisory alert dated 07/13/2009 issued by the British Virgin Islands Financial Services Commission, they are "not licensed to carry on registered agent services business" there and "it is not incorporated or registered in the British Virgin Islands."

I didn't bother with the other two countries. Even if I'm reading Cyprus' tax statement inaccurately, BVI's alert pretty much says it all: CC Logic is advertising a service that they are not legally able to provide in at least one country in which they offer the service.

[johnreece]

Hello,

Can anyone give a review of CCLOGIC.COM as an Offshore Service Provider. Has anyone used them??

Also they advertise strongly a bank ( cnpeurope.com )which offers " a limited time offer for 100% Anonymous Offshore banking.Usually you MUST provide some photo ID i.e. passport copy or other government issued photo ID and a utility bill or bank statement!!! HOWEVER Where is this bank located? We will not publish the name, nor location of the bank before you have signed the initial application and paid the fee".

This looks rather suspect to me but I would appreciate your experiences and views. Has ANYONE used them?

[notorial dissent]

Considering US tax laws, this is just asking for trouble to start with. That being said, all prior information is not condusive to trusting these people. Secondly, with the economic conditions in that part of the world, having anything that could be considered an asset there or something taxable is probably not a good idea just on general principal.

The banking advert adds the final nail to the coffin, as no reputable bank carries on business in that fashion, and again with US banking laws, this looks like a sure and certain guarantee of a visit from the tax people, with big nasty fines at the end of it. I would say it sounds more like a good opportunity to get well and truly ripped off, your identity stolen, and your life generally trashed. That this didn't come with a letter from the Rev Dr Eng So and So from the non existent embassy financial section doesn't much change the complexion of it.

This has all the hallmarks of a scam.

[starbucker]

I am one of many who have been conned by the cclogic.com scam . They advertise offshore companies and offshore bank accounts which we paid for but never received anything.
You can read about it here
http://www.cclogic.com/forum/forum/cclo ... -my-emails

They will probably take down that thread as soon as they see this (which proves that they are not an trustworthy and honorable) but there are many people that they have scammed. They said in around March this year that they had sold over 400 offshore companies in the previous month. (Probably an exaggeration but the at an average of 2000 Euros each they have scammed a lot of money)

As to cnpeurope.com, it looks as though cclogic.com is setting up another company to carry on the scam.

[Jennyz]

You should also review this post about the cclogic.com scam

http://www.cclogic.com/forum/forum/offs ... knows-more

There are lots of UNHAPPY customers.