Sovrun Claims Homes as His

[AFTP]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -town.html

[Unidyne]

Doesn't anyone at the county courts double-check claims like this?

[davids]

Of course, he's doing it all for freedom! And real estate, mind you, but primarily freedom...my first thought is that if the true owners of the house think their legal challenges are a "hard" battle then they must be talking about the lawyer's fees, because this sounds like a very easy case to win.

[Kestrel]

'When you abandon a property and don't want anything to do with it, somebody can come in and take it,'' Carr said.

Let's see... What evidence does he have that the family didn't want anything to do with their home any more? I guess they also didn't want their furniture, clothes, computers, TV sets, jewelry, food, dishes, photographs, wedding silver, toiletries, lawn mower, car, books, financial records, and other important documents (including tax returns, car title, and documentation of serial numbers on high ticket items they owned until Robert Carr arrived).

I wonder how much money Carr got for their stuff when he emptied the house. If he pawned the stuff or shoved it in a storage shed it's probably recoverable. If he sold it on CraigsList recovering it is not so easy. Anything he dumped at Goodwill or into the trash is likely gone forever.

And then there's his "team of people" who certainly helped him empty the house and claimed a share of the booty. We're talking some serious felony convictions when this is all finished.

But there's a bright side to this, using Robert Carr logic. When he left this house and went to one of "his" other ten houses, that must mean he abandoned it and the family can claim their home back, right?

Lynching is to good for this creep. Immurement is much more appropriate.

[grixit]

So you want Poe etic justice?

[Kestrel]

So you want Poe etic justice?

I'm sure we can find some Amontillado in the Illuminati cellars to toast his inevitable demise.

[The Observer]

Another article on this situation.

[LPC]

'When you abandon a property and don't want anything to do with it, somebody can come in and take it,'' Carr said.

Let's see... What evidence does he have that the family didn't want anything to do with their home any more? I guess they also didn't want their furniture, clothes, computers, TV sets, jewelry, food, dishes, photographs, wedding silver, toiletries, lawn mower, car, books, financial records, and other important documents (including tax returns, car title, and documentation of serial numbers on high ticket items they owned until Robert Carr arrived).

I wonder how long Carr has to wait before deciding someone has "abandoned" a property. A month? A week? Two days? An hour?

For those who might not know, "quiet title" actions are routinely filed (not "obscure") to eliminate questions or possible defects in a chain of title. And it's a court proceeding, which means there has to be notice to parties who might have an interest in the property, and a hearing if there are factual disputes. You can't just file a "quiet title" with the recorder of deeds, change the locks, and move in.

What's bizarre about this case is that Carr is a complete stranger to the property. I thought at first he was some unhappy homeowner try to repossess a house that was foreclosed on, but he's just some guy walking down the street and deciding that he can take possession of any house that looks empty.

The fact that there are legal proceedings to get him out of the house is also bizarre. It's like having to go to court to get an order of ejectment against a burglar.

This seems to be another demonstration of the fact that courts (and other government officials) really don't handle crazy very well.

[Dezcad]

He's been arrested.

A WLWT investigation uncovered a dozen cases linked to the same guy, and Wednesday, Robert Carr was arrested.

Less than a week after WLWT introduced our investigation, both Springdale and Forest Park police have filed criminal charges against Carr for breaking and entering and theft.

“When you abandon something, you forfeit all your rights and title to it, and title is not a piece of paper, title is when you grab it and say 'Mine,'” Carr said.

The game of finders-keepers could be over for Carr.

He's now charged with three counts of breaking and entering and three counts of theft involving a few houses, two in Springdale and one in Forest Park.

One of the homes related to his arrest is the one we focused on in our investigation.

Carr is being held on more than $40,000 bond.

[The Observer]

Immurement is much more appropriate.

I still prefer them being declared outlaws and deported to Somalia. It solves a couple of problems:

(1) It leaves the sovrun in a country that has little in the way of laws being enforced. It is pretty much every man for himself, which seems to sum up the creed of the sovrun. So it should be their idea of paradise and freedom for which they keep agitating.

(2) We will run very little risk of the sovrun making it back to the US.

[AFTP]

From the article:

Imagine going out of town to visit a dying relative only to come home and find a complete stranger living in your house; and worse, that stranger now says he legally owns that house.

Then imagine the look on said strangers face when you pull out a .45!
This guy is bound to get his ass kicked or shot dead.

[Lambkin]

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/06/g ... -11-homes/

A grand jury indicted an Ohio “sovereign citizen” who tried to steal 11 homes by moving in and filing a “quiet title” to claim ownership.

[LPC]

Carr cited a decree handed down by Henry III, who was king of England between 1216 and 1272, that property rights required proper and continual use to prevent titles from being worthless scraps of paper.

My guess is that the "decree" (if it exists) was intended to give Henry III greater control over feudal lands, in order to strip lords of lands that were not being used and increase his power of feudal patronage, rather than legalizing breaking and entering in Ohio.

But that's just my guess.

[Famspear]

From the article:

Imagine going out of town to visit a dying relative only to come home and find a complete stranger living in your house; and worse, that stranger now says he legally owns that house.

Dear squatters/sovereign citizens/nutjobs: Please do not try this stunt in Texas.

[AndyK]

Not his first sovereignoramus run-in with the courts. Hopefully the article is still available or someone can copy it to a text repository.

It appears to be something in March 2013 related to a traffic stop. But the interesting thing is that the defense attorney requested a competency hearing.

In addition, there's a video 1/2 hour interview with the nut ball.

His ramblings are fascinating -- as are the questions, preparation, and poise of the reporter.

[ArthurWankspittle]

My guess is that the "decree" (if it exists) was intended to give Henry III greater control over feudal lands, in order to strip lords of lands that were not being used and increase his power of feudal patronage, rather than legalizing breaking and entering in Ohio.

But that's just my guess.

There is some basis somewhere in English law for this. However, the original idea also had a practical use as well as a power trip reason behind it. It kept fertile land in use when the owners disappeared. Think about it, some decent strip of land suddenly gets left untended and no one knows where the owner went. It is a nonsense to leave a decent piece of land to go to waste for years until someone eventually claims it. Much better to get it in use asap.

[Kestrel]

Well, If I had to guess, I'd say the guy who looked for free housing is going to get free housing. He'll get free meals, too. Maybe even a free attorney.

But that'll be the only thing "free" he'll have for a very, very long time.

[Judge Roy Bean]

From the article:

Imagine going out of town to visit a dying relative only to come home and find a complete stranger living in your house; and worse, that stranger now says he legally owns that house.

Dear squatters/sovereign citizens/nutjobs: Please do not try this stunt in Texas.

No, please do.

[Lambkin]

In the end, it didn't work.
http://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/ham ... y/24776884

Robert Carr was indicted on three counts of breaking and entering and three counts of theft in December.

On Monday, Carr pleaded guilty to one count of breaking and entering. The other charges were dismissed.

[AndyK]

What if a Sovrun does all of the above to the home / double-wide of another sovrun

Does the matter go to the local Denny's Common Law Grand Jury? Who enforces the decision -- the Constitutional Rangers?

The mind boggles at the possibilities.