Dean Clifford - A Tale of Two Gurus

[Jeffrey]

Dean and Darren, what a pair! I was just reflecting on their youthful foolishness and thinking to myself "where are these guys parents?" Are they alive? I'm curious to hear their take on their progeny's career choices.

There are several interviews where Darren and Dean mention their father is strongly anti-Freeman and embarrassed by their antics. It'd be interesting if CBC or someone could interview the guy, it would make for some nice viewing.

[Hilfskreuzer Möwe]

I thought it might be useful to briefly comment on the criminal procedure that Lindsay has discussed with Darren Clifford, Chris Sosnowski, and Paul Stein in the last Dean Clifford update.

Generally criminal prosecutions are the sole domain of the Crown (federal or provincial). Police and other law enforcement personnel investigate misconduct, and charge persons by filing an “information” that outlines the alleged misconduct. However, the Criminal Code also has a broad provision that entitles anyone to take that step if the alleged crime is a serious “indictable” offence, and the misconduct is associated with the local jurisdiction:

504. Any one who, on reasonable grounds, believes that a person has committed an indictable offence may lay an information in writing and under oath before a justice, and the justice shall receive the information, where it is alleged

• (a) that the person has committed, anywhere, an indictable offence that may be tried in the province in which the justice resides, and that the person
  
  • (i) is or is believed to be, or
    
    (ii) resides or is believed to reside,
  within the territorial jurisdiction of the justice;
  
  (b) that the person, wherever he may be, has committed an indictable offence within the territorial jurisdiction of the justice;
  
  (c) that the person has, anywhere, unlawfully received property that was unlawfully obtained within the territorial jurisdiction of the justice; or
  
  (d) that the person has in his possession stolen property within the territorial jurisdiction of the justice.

If the information is laid by a peace officer or government agent then that triggers the Criminal Code, s. 507 procedure where a justice reviews the allegations in an ex parte procedure and then may order a summons for the accused to appear or a warrant for the accused’s arrest. The threshold for evidence to pass this step is low, a prima facie case on all elements of the offence.

However, this procedure is not available to Joe Public who lays an information. Instead, Criminal Code, s. 507.1 sets the procedure to follow. A judge (s. 507.1(1)) still reviews the information and supporting evidence (s. 507.1(3)) but the Attorney General must first have notice of the information so that the Attorney General may appear at the s. 507.1(1) hearing, call its own evidence, and cross-examine the evidence of the private person who filed the information: s. 507.1(3)(d).

The s. 507 procedure is entirely one-sided; no countervailing evidence is potentially involved. The peace officers advance their evidence and the accused is arrested/summoned if the evidence reaches a low threshold of proof.

Section 507.1 on the other hand turns the first hearing into potentially a kind of mini-trial, where a Crown Prosecutor may investigate or scrutinize whether a criminal action is warranted, or even dispute that the attempt to initiate a criminal proceeding is in any way valid. And it’s even more one-sided than that. The person who files the information does not have a right to cross-examine witnesses advanced by the Crown.

If a summons or warrant is issued at a s. 507.1 hearing that usually ends the participation of the lay person in the proceeding. In most instances the Attorney General will conduct the action as a public prosecution - it has an absolute right to 'seize control' of a private criminal proceeding at any point. If so, from then on, the Crown manages all aspects of the criminal prosecution, including the choice of what charges to pursue, if any, or whether to end the action. Crown discretion in all aspects of criminal litigation is extremely broad.

That said, if a s. 507.1 application is successful, and the Attorney general does not take over prosecution, there is a residual authority for a private prosecution. The prosecutor is appointed by the person who laid the s. 507.1 information. This is ‘residual’ not because of the legislation but public policy. Canadian authorities have determined it is simply not a good idea to leave criminal prosecution to private individuals, and instead a successful s. 507.1 application will almost inevitable lead to the Crown running the downstream criminal litigation (see for example http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/prosecution-ser ... ov2005.pdf).

Further, private prosecutions almost never occur because the Crown is sensitive to the potential misuse of this procedure. For example, the Alberta Attorney General has an explicit public policy that it will take over criminal prosecutions that were initiated for an illegitimate purpose (http://justice.alberta.ca/programs_serv ... tions.aspx):

If it is determined that the charge is well founded, the Crown prosecutor must then decide whether to assume conduct of the prosecution. While generally the Attorney General will assume conduct, the issue must be decided on a case-by-case basis. The following factors will help to inform this decision: …

whether there is a reasonable basis to believe that the decision to prosecute was made for improper personal or oblique motives, or that it otherwise may constitute an abuse of the court's process such that, even if the prosecution were to proceed, it would not be appropriate to permit it to remain in the hands of a private prosecutor;

So what David-Kevin: Lindsay is teaching is a method to start a criminal litigation action, but that provides no guarantee at all that the action will be continued. In fact, prosecutions that start under s. 507.1 are extremely rare. Lindsay in the Clifford update #10 video observes, very correctly, that it is not unusual for a Crown to seize the prosecution and then immediately drop charges after a successful s. 507.1 application. Lindsay is quite forthright that s. 507.1 is principally a potentially effective tool because it has the potential to embarrass or unnerve government actors.

This is true. However this mechanism provides no real basis to impose a criminal action on an unwilling Crown. All that can be done is for the private person who originally filed the information is to judicially review the decision by the Crown to stay or drop a s. 507.1 proceeding. The private person needs to prove that the Crown’s decision is “flagrant impropriety” (Krieger v Law Society of Alberta, 2002 SCC 65, [2002] 3 SCR 372). Any challenge to the Crown’s authority is therefore all but impossible. A good recent example of this and the associated law is found in this very recent and interesting decision: Steele v Alberta, 2014 ABQB 124 (http://canlii.ca/t/g633t).

Lindsay is quite obviously aware this is the case, and in fact from what I have heard of his materials and his advice to Clifford & Co., he knows the score. That said, Lindsay is identifying a very real way to legally ‘put the squeeze’ on government actors.

That said, it is not without risk. In Manitoba the courts have ordered costs against a person who filed a private criminal information that was “oppressive, improper, abusive, frivolous and done with ulterior motive.”: CIBC v Knight (1993), 84 ManR (2d) 231, 13 CPC (3d) 315 (Man QB).

I am not aware of any cases that investigate whether vexatious litigant status may also result from misuse of s. 507.1, but that’s certainly seems to be a possibility. Another possibility that the Cliffords may wish to consider long and hard is whether a spurious s. 507.1 information against police, court officials, or judges may trigger this Criminal Code provision:

139. (2) Every one who wilfully attempts in any manner … to obstruct, pervert or defeat the course of justice is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.

Again, I’m not aware of a case where that has occurred. Would be interesting, though!

So, I don’t think it’s really fair to say Lindsay has provided the Cliffords with legally incorrect advice. He is referencing actual criminal procedures. Are they useful? Not quite in the way the Clifford & Co. probably hope.

But it’s infinitely more useful than filing a fee schedule, or other typical Freeman document!

SMS Möwe

[arayder]

I don't see Dean covering any new ground with his "Lindsay charges".

I suspect he is simply going to cloth his already dismissed arguments in the Lindsay method. It seems to me it's a losing argument to charge as crimes actions already ruled perfectly legal.

I suspect any "charges" not already argued in Dean's recent filings, or specifically addressed by the courts are likely to be ruled as matters for argument during the trial.

[Hilfskreuzer Möwe]

Dean & Co. have posted and then deleted "Update 11 From Dean Himself".

It was originally at this URL (http://deanclifford.info/2014/05/28/update-11-dean/).

I recovered the text via Google's caching function:

2014 05 28 – Dean Clifford – update number 11
These notes were taken from the update with the best of my ability, E&OE, Errors and Omissions Expected:
• PPSA commercial liens are being put or soon going to be put on several property titles which includes RCMP stations and courthouses.
• Each one of these have been put on something called a collateral schedule amongst other things.
• Regarding Dean’s trust account, he has served the government and bank of Canada and AG proper notice that they will no longer be their bank on his behalf and Dean is going to act as his own Bank which he will probably explain to everyone more in detail when he gets out.
• Transcripts have been ordered, especially the bail hearing that was on around March 25th and the motions that were heard last week. Appeals have been filed also which should be heard next week.
• In the appeals court, Dean’s common law rights can be heard and acknowledged which will be much harder for them to f*#k him over.
• Got the names of every judge from day one which will be added as debtors to the claims, PPSA’s and commercial liens that are about to be filed.
• As soon as the PPSA’s have been submitted and processed, the output will be attached to commercial liens that are being prepared.
• This will be severed on the bar association, the lawyers, the courts, on the bank of Canada, everybody is getting f*#king lien’ed.
• Someone new has been brought into the fold to assist Dean with writing documents and preparing filings as well as Dean now having access to a computer.
• More has been done over 10 days that has been done over 6 months, things are moving forward nicely.
• But more help is still needed as there isn’t enough people to get everything done that needs to be in order to execute the coming barrage that is planned.
• Dean’s situation with his closed/frozen bank accounts are being sorted out and authority is being handed over to sign and manage that for him which should alleviated some stresses and inconveniences in terms of paying bills and getting things done.
• Dean’s new helper friend could do with laptop and internet switched back on at his home so things can get done.
• Pertinent documents are making their way to the proper parties that are integral to Dean’s future claims which he hasn’t been able to access for a while now. It wasn’t wise to send the originals after a new quality microphone and audio box for Darren being returned to sender last week and at the powers that be intercepting them.
• Copies are or to be certified.
• There was also documents that identify the titles for the legislative building in which Dean plans to lien the f*#k out of also. So much prior research and homework has been done well before him being taken.
• Brandon Correctional Centre is also owned by HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN just to let you know.
• The court buildings, all 5 titles, are also owned by HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN.
• The Winnipeg city police station and public safety building are also owned by HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN.
• “she” is the debtor in all of these claims. Dean thinks the best way to go after her bonding is to go after the legal entity HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN as represented by, some may disagree.
• Dean is looking to refer to some other sample filings to compare to his drafts to perfect his form with his approach to things before they are executed.
• Darren, Dean’s brother has been speaking to Kevin Annett about a few things in regards to recent happenings with his actions against HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN and the CROWN CORPORATION in regards to crimes against sovereign inhabitants that have been exposed.
• Dean and Kevin hope to compare notes and documents over the coming weeks.
• In a documents / notices that were severed on the register and vital statistics, he notify them when he goes after the Bank of Canada, he will not be relying on the court of Queen’s Bench Supreme Court, It is his will and intend to convene a Grand Jury and find 24 sovereign people of this land and have them appoint a judge of their choosing and we will be holding a common law court and will be convicting HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN.
• 24 man Grand Jury is the highest form of law that there is on this planet.
• If they do not give everything back and compensate Dean there is a 24 manned Grand Jury that is going to get convened.
• Be good to clarify if the appointed judge makes the 24th or not as many say there are 23 in a Grand Jury or maybe that is the governments was to mislead people and 24 actually need to form a real Grand Jury are needed.
• And many figure heads are welcomed to be involved from all over. This can be made as an example, organised, template and executed at places all over the world HER MAJESTY has her teeth into.
• Grand jury investigations are secret, and evidence isn’t made public until there is an indictment.
• It is suspected that the powers that be are planning a false flag event. So trends in the news indicate an IMMENIENT FALSE FLAG EVENT could very well be on the cards.
• In the mainstream news, a rifileshooting range has been broken into twice and the RCMP is now being trained in case of a shootout with training videos on what to do. This indicates that they are preparing the public that there is an event going to happen.
• Dean hopes someone is going to be doing a radio show about that so it can be called in advance.
• They had to go to the extent to pulling the plug on this one which was so predictable.
• Dean thinks they intentionally did video so they could make the audio disappear, similar to what they did with his nabbing February 2013 last year with the tussle with the cop in the parking lot who lost the plot.
• There was a property secured last year that was planned for the first instalment of the land stewardship project out in British Colombia. A down payment was made from the funds raised from the seminar but things took a turn since Dean hasn’t been able to work and his situation has made him into the posterboy for the FREEMAN movement. FREEMAN being a term made up by the Government made up to pigeonhole people who just want to learn the law, enforce their rights and who are sick of being raped, oppressed and taken advantage of by their servants.
• Fortunately, the next instalment that was due has been extended. Plans should be written and disclosed soon on this.
• In response to some important documents being filed in the courts, the Notaries’ officers are being harassed from the Crown attorney’s office in Winnipeg.
• Where agents from the Crown attorney’s office are grilling them for information and giving them grief over the phone.
• At least 2 Notaries have affirmed that agents from the Crown attorney’s office have “advised” in an intimidating fashion that they should probably stop notarising Dean’s documents. Both Notaries have told them to f*#k off.
• A law suit was attempted to be served last week at the Crown attorney’s office that entailed obstruction of justice and intimidation but the names of these agents couldn’t be ascertained but the women at the desk flipped out and then refused service.
• Recommendations were relayed of what David Lindsay said the list of charges shouldn’t be too long, keeping them down, Dean pointed out the same charge can be grouped into counts.
• Dean said he is perusing both civil and criminal charges against HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN.
• It is the duty of Queens Bench civil court to convert any elements from any civil claim into corresponding criminal charges and order the prosecution of them which there is case law on this according to Dean’s friend Allen.
• Dean is uncertain about the form of laying out these charges though, so he is just using a standard QB criminal application same way he was doing to have his charges discharged.
• The biggest mistake he has made so far is that he already had made an application for a warrant to arrest all those who have committed crimes against him, he actually stood down on those matters because he only wanted to address the discharging of the federal criminal charges and his release that day. The minute he did that, he removed any standing he had in the court for taking out his claim of injury.
• Dean says now he has standing in Queens Bench going forward.
• There was an instance where a hearing Dean was ready with everything in check and instead they patched him through from Brandon CC via video linkup where essentially they wouldn’t let him speak at all. This was in provincial court they did this to him.
• Turns out they were talking over him and even in the room he was patched through on. He ended up telling whom was talking over him while he was trying to read out onto the record an affidavit they refused to accept.
• The judge also kept interrupting him trying to deny him from speaking at all. Dean’s response was “Excuse me, Servant! Keep your mouth shut while I’m reading. I’m speaking, I’m the master here and you’re the servant and you be quiet while I am talking, Do you understand?” in response, the judge said, “Well well… I’m the administrator here.” And Dean replied “I don’t give a f*#king sh^t because I’m the executor and I outrank you. Keep your mouth shut!!!”
• Witnesses in the court room, friends and family of Dean’s were there which Dean was patched through and they saw them all scrambling trying to cut the audio from the feed from Brandon CC. It was f*#king hilarious where a bunch of dumb c*nts were running around saying “How we turn it off, how we turn it off”. All while Dean was reading out some rather profound stuff.
• It took them like 5 minutes to turn the audio off, so it will be good to know if anything of what Dean said made it onto the transcripts.
• Supposably there was like 12 sheriffs in the provincial court room waiting all day for Dean’s hearing in this instance where wasn’t even in the room and it started at like 4pm.
• The judge claimed he didn’t understand anything at all but would not specify exactly what in which Dean was happy to clarify. It was obvious the judge didn’t want to understand even if he could or wanted to.
• This was because in a lower statutory court, the judge could not hear his common law arguments.
• It is expected Dean may get out next Thursday at the applet level court. So a bail review at a upper level at QB will be heard next week so might have some good news them.
• Others have gotten out at appeals court where it was mentioned that the issue of financing and damages for being in jail all the time. It seems a question they do not want to answer.
• Upon Dean’s release, all the PPSA’s will be in place, and the courts, judges, cps attorney’s, rcmp officers, jp, ought to be served and commercial liens in place against them ready to go.
• He hopes to already have the bonds frozen for the crowns, at that point they ought to be a whole lot less excited to go after him any further at that point.
• At another hearing that happened recently where the judge wanted to speak to Dean after a hearing, but the sheriffs disobeyed that order in QB. They wouldn’t even allow Dean to file any paperwork himself also. Turns out, the same sheriff that roughhoused Dean pulling him to the van, was directly sitting behind a friend / witness in the court recently started poking her quite hard in the back quit hard telling her to “GET UP, GET UP” when the judge was asking everyone to rise. Such an action would provoke a verbose reaction in anyone, but knowing what circumstances one was under and the importance of being there, the ideal response was refrained from. Dean has declared “that f*#ker is going down” and saying this sheriff just assaulted her. Which brings to question, are these sheriff’s actual lawfully appointed sheriffs or are they just nothing more than mall cops with an extra shiny talisman and a gun? Something to research into there. Maybe Dean can go put criminal charges on him and lien his house. Might make things difficult with his bank when this sheriff can’t afford the mortgage repayments after losing his job. Might be a good process against agents such as this one to template.
• Anyone going to the next hearing needs to get his badge number and his photo if they can.
• In all the transcripts in the provincial court, even though the lower statutory courts cannot hear common law arguments, things later on can be taken to higher court of inherit jurisdiction and have those convictions over turned in a heartbeat.
• The moment you deny to be the trustee in these lower magistrate statutory kangaroo courts, the card they always play is that “Well Mr. Such’n’Such, I’m issuing a warrant for him”.
• Dean says he would announce himself as the man but not one that acts a class of person that has rights and duties conferred by HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN and is not a subject thereof and is not a trustee or anything else within her ranks.
• Being coursed and subdued into submission can be taken as under duress and deal with the damages later on can be a good angle to take things on.
• It would be good to get the Pdf of the David’s book to get to Dean, he has a computer in Brandon CC now.
• We will need to do a fundraiser soon to help those who are helping which one girl spent $1500 of her own money on filings, transcripts, getting copies of titles, driving around and time spent not working due to this.
• Collect call bill to Darren, Dean’s brother was $1200
• Dean’s construction business has completely gone under as a result of this.
• More exclusive updates and Q&A’s are going to be released on the forum going forward this week.

Where-ever does one even start?

SMS Möwe

[AndyK]

That one should start with ESL.

[arayder]

A partial summary:

Dean's getting out on Thursday. <skepticism tags off>.

He's threatening everybody in sight, including judges, with liens.

He says the sheriff is not only going to get a lien, but is also "going down".

Dean's told the Bank of Canada it isn't going to be handling his trust account anymore.

Speaking of accounts. . .Darren is in the hole for $1,200 worth of prison phone calls and Dean's new helper needs a computer and an internet connection.

Dean's web guy likes the F word.

Dean's construction business, which Clifford's already said he is going to abandon, is kaput.

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One has to wonder if somebody on Team Dean realized that tipping your hand, threatening the authorities and alternately begging and whining is not smart.

[ArthurWankspittle]

I wonder if attempting to land Liz II with a lien or two is an offence under some ancient statute? Some nice general contempt of court thing or treason-lite, you know, something that still has a two years imprisonment minimum, transportation to Australia or being held in the Tower of London at Her Majesty's pleasure.

[notorial dissent]

Where-ever does one even start?

SMS Möwe

With a really long snorkel and a shovel??

Right off the top of my head, I’d say Dean is throwing a pretty major temper tantrum as things just aren’t going his way at all. At least that is how it appears to me, and he certainly has a potty mouth, which goes, I guess, with being a petulant two year old. Yes sir, he’s gonna show those mean old judges and officers and bankers, he’s gonna show them for sure, ONCE HE GETS OUT!!! Sounds like he has it in for just about everybody that hasn’t respected his Deanness.

I like the bit about Dean having a new “assistant” who could do ever so much for him if only Dean’s “helper friend” can get their “laptop and internet switched back on”, in other words, another deadbeat like Dean, who needs their power and phone(I assume) paid up and switched back on. Sounds to me like an auspicious beginning to me.

And I give up, PPSA’s??? I’m sure they’re magical words in Canadian FOTLish and documents to him, but to me, huh????

Just curious, how big of a crime is it in Canada to intentionally file false liens, particularly against gov’t property, and gov’t officials? It’s a Federal felony here these days.

Dean apparently wants to own his current abode, how cute.

So, not being smart enough to have come up with it on his own, he is “borrowing” the technique from some other source.

OK, not sure where the 24 man citizen grand jury fits in with Canadian sovrun/FOTL mythology. I do think, however, that holding a “common law” court and “convicting” the Queen is just a tad much, and might just not go over all that well. I see there isn’t even consensus among the Ignoricenti as to how it is done or constituted.

Sounds like some of the notaries have been spoken to by their societies, and may get more than spoken to if they continue to play these games.

So Dean here admits in print to playing with Lindsay’s stuff.

I’m curious as to why Dean thinks the lower courts can’t hear his common law gibberish, but the upper ones can, since it will still be gibberish regardless of where it is heard.

Being Dean’s brother is expensive, $1200 expensive to be precise, how much you bet he won’t be accepting collect calls for too much longer at this point?

I would say Dean has quite a fantasy life, since that is all it is at this point, or will be in the foreseeable future, and his fantasies about the law are truly breathtaking. It is becoming evident that he has some really serious unresolved and untreated anger management issues, that are worsening. I can’t imagine that is going to play well for him in his upcoming sentencing hearings.

I am curious from having waded through this mess, since I’m not really familiar with Dean’s writing style, if Dean is the one actually writing this in the third person, which speaks whole volumes of not good, or if someone is doing it for him, which may explain why it is borderline coherent. Either way, it was really good of him/them to detail Dean’s further plans of criminal and anti-social behavior.

[arayder]

Where-ever does one even start?

SMS Möwe

. . .Right off the top of my head, I’d say Dean is throwing a pretty major temper tantrum as things just aren’t going his way at all. At least that is how it appears to me, and he certainly has a potty mouth, which goes, I guess, with being a petulant two year old. . .

I like the bit about. . .Dean’s “helper friend” can get their “laptop and internet switched back on”, in other words, another deadbeat like Dean, who needs their power and phone (I assume) paid up and switched back on. . .

. . .how big of a crime is it in Canada to intentionally file false liens. . .against. . . gov’t officials? It’s a Federal felony here these days.

. . . Dean here admits in print to playing with Lindsay’s stuff.

Being Dean’s brother is expensive. . .

I would say Dean has quite a fantasy life, since that is all it is at this point, or will be in the foreseeable future, and his fantasies about the law are truly breathtaking. It is becoming evident that he has some really serious unresolved and untreated anger management issues, that are worsening. . . .

The wheels are coming off Team Dean. The perviously $150 a pop dead certain true freeman seminar now has to be supplemented with Lindsay and Annett woo and generous donation to get Dean's "friend" wired.

[Jeffrey]

Thank God I saved the audio interview, I knew as soon as they posted it would be taken down.

Holy shit, I'll re-upload it as a private link and message people the link to anyone who didn't catch it. I won't spoil the details because it's that fucking amazing.

[Burnaby49]

Dean just keeps looking stupider and stupider; the man is a genius at shooting himself in the foot. This is turning from a discussion of defense tactics to a death wish;

• The judge also kept interrupting him trying to deny him from speaking at all. Dean’s response was “Excuse me, Servant! Keep your mouth shut while I’m reading. I’m speaking, I’m the master here and you’re the servant and you be quiet while I am talking, Do you understand?” in response, the judge said, “Well well… I’m the administrator here.” And Dean replied “I don’t give a f*#king sh^t because I’m the executor and I outrank you. Keep your mouth shut!!!”

• Witnesses in the court room, friends and family of Dean’s were there which Dean was patched through and they saw them all scrambling trying to cut the audio from the feed from Brandon CC. It was f*#king hilarious where a bunch of dumb c*nts were running around saying “How we turn it off, how we turn it off”. All while Dean was reading out some rather profound stuff.

Given that dean is threatening this;

• Got the names of every judge from day one which will be added as debtors to the claims, PPSA’s and commercial liens that are about to be filed.

• As soon as the PPSA’s have been submitted and processed, the output will be attached to commercial liens that are being prepared.

• This will be severed on the bar association, the lawyers, the courts, on the bank of Canada, everybody is getting f*#king lien’ed.

• Upon Dean’s release, all the PPSA’s will be in place, and the courts, judges, cps attorney’s, rcmp officers, jp, ought to be served and commercial liens in place against them ready to go.

He hopes to already have the bonds frozen for the crowns, at that point they ought to be a whole lot less excited to go after him any further at that point.

I think he is a touch optimistic in expecting bail to be approved next week.

[Arthur Rubin]

Under Canadian (and US) copyright law, reposting that ... whatever it is ... would be a copyright violation. I don't think we need worry, as copyright can only be held by "persons", not "Individuals", but....

[Jeffrey]

And I give up, PPSA’s??? I’m sure they’re magical words in Canadian FOTLish and documents to him, but to me, huh????

Just curious, how big of a crime is it in Canada to intentionally file false liens, particularly against gov’t property, and gov’t officials? It’s a Federal felony here these days.

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http://www.ppsa.ca/ppsacaV3/general/faq.jsp

PPSA, based on superficial research, is the Canada equivalent of UCC. So Dean's female assistant will be filing liens with the PPSA on government buildings and judges and cops.

(Kudos to whatever Freeman figured out that UCC doesn't apply in Canada)

It's worth pointing out that filing liens from jail is classic Montana Freemen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Fr ... _sentences

On 7 April 2008, Russell Dean Landers had his 11-year, 3-month sentence extended by 15 years for attempting to extort his release from prison.

On 6 April 2010, Daniel E. Peterson was sentenced to additional time for filing bogus liens from prison against three federal judges. One of the judges targeted was the judge who sentenced Peterson to prison originally.

I think we've noted previously Dean's influence from the Montana Freemen.

[notorial dissent]

I kinda thought that was PPSA was, but didn't have a FOTL to real English dictionary handy.

I wonder if his "assistant" or whoever he conned in to it realizes that they are becoming accomplices in a crime by filing or attempting to file those liens? I seriously doubt it, the smart seems quite weak to non-existent in that crowd.

[Jeffrey]

Going over the audio and I believe the assistant is named "XXXX". (They start the interview referring to her as "her" then seem to accidentally name her.) Does that ring any bells?

The fact that both "her" and the notary have been contacted by authorities makes me think there's big stuff going on in the background. My belief is it's Chief Rock notarizing Dean's documents so we could see both Chief and "her" busted for this bogus lien nonsense; particularly given that Chief already called attention to himself with the Nanaimo business. This will probably end up being the biggest and most public failure of the Canadian Freeman movement ever.

I mean Dean isn't just doubling down, he's quadrupling down. He even promises to beat up an unnamed cop once he gets out on bail. This is so astonishingly idiotic, Canada also records jail phonecalls right? He's literally hand feeding the prosecution.

[Hilfskreuzer Möwe]

Jeffrey, did you find that video (update #11 from Dean?) on Youtube? If so, it has been removed, along with the Update #9 and #10 videos.

And the deanclifford.info website has posted another update:

Update 11 From Dean: http://deanclifford.info/2014/05/29/update-11-dean-2/

Posted by Admin on May 29, 2014 in News
It was requested the update had to be taken down because someones name was mentioned who didn’t want to be named.

Despite combing though the audio all day editing out this certain name I was it was still mentioned, so I’m led to believe.

This job is too difficult and people are too demanding yet always ungrateful only to be wanting more, so from here on, don’t expect any more updates for some time.

I will confirm this morning if the name was mentioned or not, if it wasn’t then I will be calling bullshit on much as there are clearly agendas at play here.

If I am at fault, then well sorry for that, Dean does talk at a million miles an hour and it is very hard combing through and cutting out first names all F---ing day.

Either way, this will be the last update for some time till Dean gets out and sorts out his life etc.

[Edited for language.]

Well - that's all rather interesting. Ah ha - Updates #9 and 10 are also removed, with this message in their place:

Updates 9 and 10: http://deanclifford.info/2014/05/25/updates-9-10/

Posted by Admin on May 25, 2014 in News
At the request from David, he wanted his talks removed.
there will be no more updates till Dean gets out and gets his life back on track.

Gentlefolk, I believe that David-Kevin: Lindsay has left the theatre! My suspicion is that he does not want to yoke himself to the one-way Dean Express Stagecoach to Doomtown.

Can't say I blame him.

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[Hilfskreuzer Möwe]

Jeffrey, did you find that video (update #11 from Dean?) on Youtube? If so, it has been removed, along with the Update #9 and #10 videos.

Apologies Jeffrey - I overlooked your message that the video had been taken down.

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[arayder]

Going over the audio and I believe the assistant is named "xxxx". . Does that ring any bells?

She is probably the same young lady on the earlier updates. She may be the female Alexander Ream.

The fact that both "her" and the notary have been contacted by authorities makes me think there's big stuff going on in the background. . .we could see both Chief and "her" busted for this. . .this will probably end up being the biggest and most public failure of the Canadian Freeman movement. . .

That could well be. Dean's been foolish enough to do what the rest of the freeman cult only talks about.

. . .Dean. . .even promises to beat up an unnamed cop once he gets out on bail. This is so astonishingly idiotic. . .He's literally hand feeding the prosecution.

The freeman cult confuses Dean for a genius. You are right. Only an idiot would publicly threaten judges and sheriffs and expect to get away with it.

Like I have said before, Dean's a an example of natural selection at work in modern society.

[Jeffrey]

So I guess we gotta figure out why they ACTUALLY took down the updates. David:Lindsay didn't actually say anything that could get him in trouble in 9 and 10 so it's odd that he'd want them taken down.

I think probably they realized they accidentally admitted that Dean and Darren had previous convictions. They also accidentally name dropped the Chief. The Freeman shop-talk was juicy since we finally got an indication of how much money Dean is raking in via website donations and plans of a future fundraiser.

Particularly, if all this lien crap is legit and legal as Team Dean claims, then why the fear of mentioning names. Sounds to me like David and XXXX want to make money off the Clifford brothers but don't want their names involved when it inevitably fails and collapses. Rats fleeing the sinking ship.

Seriously, it's totally futile to "take a video off Youtube". We already got copies of them, we know thanks to Burnaby's reporting that INSET saves copies of them. Shit, it was a jailhouse phonecall, it's already recorded on their end. Has Dean never watched any Mobster movies, you never coordinate your criminal activities on the phone from jail.

[notorial dissent]

I'd certainly think that little epistle or manifesto or spleen venting of Dean's they published would go a long way towards establishing intent and criminal pattern at any rate. Not sure how Canada handles that, but around here it would be making the prosecution's job a whole lot easier.

I also rather suspect that thanks to Dean's big mouth there are a number of people who could be facing jail time in the near future, by his courtesy. After all, what are gurus for?