And I beg to differ with you. Buchanon did not get one single popular vote from the state of Ohio. So he was legitmately elected to the presidency.Randall wrote:I beg to differ. James Buchanon was elected in 1856. Buchanon most definitely was not legitimately president, over 50 years had passed since Ohio first pretended to be a state.
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A RuSA person recently made an appearance on the "Josh Tolley Show" - from what I can tell, a very fringe radio show that flirts with conspiracy lunatics and sovereigns often. It was actually rather informative, I learned the following:
- RuSA officially now states it lost 80% of its membership after Fake President Timmy was arrested. They put a positive spin on this by saying those people just wanted financial gain (remember the tons of gold Fake President Timmy was promised by other countries), and now they have people who are in their words "devoted" to the cause.
- They have actually drawn up detailed "transition" plans to take over the government (its collapsing any day now - we've heard that since 2010).
- They state they are working with "retired members of the military" to ensure when the for-sure collapse of the evil corporation occurs, they can take command of the military (wouldn't this sort of fantasy planning be illegal even for retired members of the military?).
- RuSA claims to have had a meeting with a retired military general who looked at all their sov'run gibberish paperwork and admitted that RuSA is the real government. The general in question is actually retired major general Paul E Vallely, who retired in 1993, and has apparently embraced insanity first by being a birther and is now a RuSA supporter.
- RuSA is adopting a new media strategy! RuSA's past attempts to get media coverage - even in friendly forums like conspiracy theorist shows - have been huge failures. Even the crazies think RuSA is nuts. So the new strategy is to try to get onto "alternative" media (Alex Jones type crazy radio) by calling in during the open caller segments and pretending to want to know more about RuSA or making vague references to "I've heard that the republic has been restored!."
- This is my favorite. RuSA has decided its going to try to insert itself into "hot spots" in the news as it sees fit to try to tie all current events to RuSA. They want to go to Furgeson and try to get the media to interview them. Yeah, thats going to go over well, a bunch of crazy lunatic fringe white people telling the people of Furgeson that if they'd only accept RuSA this wouldn't have happened![bang head :brickwall:](./images/smilies/eusa_wall.gif)
- RuSA fake governors are now hand picked by RuSA fake national. You have to be "vetted" and approved through several layers of national fake officers in order to get to play governor. I think they are doing this because they had some people who were governors previously...that were crazier than RuSA. And that is hard to do.
- RuSA officially now states it lost 80% of its membership after Fake President Timmy was arrested. They put a positive spin on this by saying those people just wanted financial gain (remember the tons of gold Fake President Timmy was promised by other countries), and now they have people who are in their words "devoted" to the cause.
- They have actually drawn up detailed "transition" plans to take over the government (its collapsing any day now - we've heard that since 2010).
- They state they are working with "retired members of the military" to ensure when the for-sure collapse of the evil corporation occurs, they can take command of the military (wouldn't this sort of fantasy planning be illegal even for retired members of the military?).
- RuSA claims to have had a meeting with a retired military general who looked at all their sov'run gibberish paperwork and admitted that RuSA is the real government. The general in question is actually retired major general Paul E Vallely, who retired in 1993, and has apparently embraced insanity first by being a birther and is now a RuSA supporter.
- RuSA is adopting a new media strategy! RuSA's past attempts to get media coverage - even in friendly forums like conspiracy theorist shows - have been huge failures. Even the crazies think RuSA is nuts. So the new strategy is to try to get onto "alternative" media (Alex Jones type crazy radio) by calling in during the open caller segments and pretending to want to know more about RuSA or making vague references to "I've heard that the republic has been restored!."
- This is my favorite. RuSA has decided its going to try to insert itself into "hot spots" in the news as it sees fit to try to tie all current events to RuSA. They want to go to Furgeson and try to get the media to interview them. Yeah, thats going to go over well, a bunch of crazy lunatic fringe white people telling the people of Furgeson that if they'd only accept RuSA this wouldn't have happened
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- RuSA fake governors are now hand picked by RuSA fake national. You have to be "vetted" and approved through several layers of national fake officers in order to get to play governor. I think they are doing this because they had some people who were governors previously...that were crazier than RuSA. And that is hard to do.
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I won't quibble with their statement that they have lost membership, although I think 80% may be a tad conservative when push comes to shove. The one who was in it for the money was good old Jimmy Tim and his coterie. I think the ones who are left were either to dumb to figure it out, or are hoping for their own cut of the non-existent pickings, see my previous comment.
The transition plan I can believe, they seem to be long on "planning" and talk, and real short on everything else.
That Valley is involved doesn't surprise me in the least, he has gone right round the bend, unless he was already there to begin with. I've heard some comment to the point that was why he was "retired" to begin with.
Their new media policy sounds about like their old one, of "wishing will make it so", except it won't. It's pretty bad when even the loon brigade thinks you're nuts.
I really think the fRuSA loonies really might wanna not attract any more attention to themselves considering their first pretend president is now a guest at club Fed, and several other of their current or former membership either are or are on their way to similar accommodations, the less scrutiny they subject themselves to the better. At last report a former deputy/asst/???? Sec of State is now on her way to prison for pretty much the same thing Jimmy Tim went down for. Kelby is the next one that should be getting nervous, but I don't think he's smart enough to figure it out.
Entertaining to watch the cheap tapestry start to unravel, sounds like it is going to accelerate from this point on. Fun times!!!!
The transition plan I can believe, they seem to be long on "planning" and talk, and real short on everything else.
That Valley is involved doesn't surprise me in the least, he has gone right round the bend, unless he was already there to begin with. I've heard some comment to the point that was why he was "retired" to begin with.
Their new media policy sounds about like their old one, of "wishing will make it so", except it won't. It's pretty bad when even the loon brigade thinks you're nuts.
I really think the fRuSA loonies really might wanna not attract any more attention to themselves considering their first pretend president is now a guest at club Fed, and several other of their current or former membership either are or are on their way to similar accommodations, the less scrutiny they subject themselves to the better. At last report a former deputy/asst/???? Sec of State is now on her way to prison for pretty much the same thing Jimmy Tim went down for. Kelby is the next one that should be getting nervous, but I don't think he's smart enough to figure it out.
Entertaining to watch the cheap tapestry start to unravel, sounds like it is going to accelerate from this point on. Fun times!!!!
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On the treason part, depends. If it is a theoretical exercise then no. Might even be SOP, they ask who would take over in the event of A. happens. Like asking who would take over if the President dies, we know the Vice-President would. What happens if the entire Executive Branch is killed? There is a plan for that, somewhere. WE know that Jack Ryan takes over anyways. If they are talking about something other then theoreticals then, yes, plotting the overthrow of the government by violence is treason, although not necessarily on the military members part. Again, it would depend on how they were approached and what, specifically, they were asked and/or intended to do. I'll PM you the rest of my reasoning.LightinDarkness wrote: - They state they are working with "retired members of the military" to ensure when the for-sure collapse of the evil corporation occurs, they can take command of the military (wouldn't this sort of fantasy planning be illegal even for retired members of the military?).
- RuSA claims to have had a meeting with a retired military general who looked at all their sov'run gibberish paperwork and admitted that RuSA is the real government. The general in question is actually retired major general Paul E Vallely, who retired in 1993, and has apparently embraced insanity first by being a birther and is now a RuSA supporter.
I'm assuming the first quote and second quote refer to the same person, not much of a stretch since I don't see too many retired field grade officers that would be willing to talk to people such as these. That being said I agree with ND that it's almost fitting that it would be Vallely, what a shame to destroy the career he had by getting involved in some of the things that he has but... people are people.
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Under normal circumstances and with sane people I would agree entirely with James here.
Unfortunately, these are neither normal nor sane, at least by some definitions, people. I will have to say in the nutter's, fRuSA, defense that what they are doing doesn't really quite constitute treason, or even sedition for that matter. They have convinced themselves in their own very twisted little fantasy world, that they are in fact the gov't, not that it makes anything they are doing legal or reasonable.
Valley and his other compatriot, name I can't now remember, I'm not so sure about. I have heard conflicting reports about why he "retired" so I don't know if he has truly just gone senile and/or is suffering from senile dementia, and isn't really responsible for what he is saying and doing, or if he is acting out on what got him "retired" in the first place, and really is pushing the boundaries. I do think it is sad that this is probably what he will be remembered for. Valley has also gotten his two cents worth inserted in other issues, all with a similar vein.
Unfortunately, these are neither normal nor sane, at least by some definitions, people. I will have to say in the nutter's, fRuSA, defense that what they are doing doesn't really quite constitute treason, or even sedition for that matter. They have convinced themselves in their own very twisted little fantasy world, that they are in fact the gov't, not that it makes anything they are doing legal or reasonable.
Valley and his other compatriot, name I can't now remember, I'm not so sure about. I have heard conflicting reports about why he "retired" so I don't know if he has truly just gone senile and/or is suffering from senile dementia, and isn't really responsible for what he is saying and doing, or if he is acting out on what got him "retired" in the first place, and really is pushing the boundaries. I do think it is sad that this is probably what he will be remembered for. Valley has also gotten his two cents worth inserted in other issues, all with a similar vein.
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The RuSA has announced its guest star for tomorrow night's call-in: John Patrick Quirk, who has written a lot about the CIA and FBI without ever having worked in either one.
Unfortunately, 15 years ago he didn't make such an impression on Fortune magazine:
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Unfortunately, 15 years ago he didn't make such an impression on Fortune magazine:
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Spy vs. Spy This pseudo-sleuth thought he was taking our man for a ride. He couldn't have been more wrong.
(FORTUNE Magazine)
By Richard Behar
February 1, 1999
(FORTUNE Magazine) – The dispatches from John Quirk arrived by telephone at breakneck speed:
The country's reserves are completely depleted.... The ambassador is in shock.... He's saying $40 billion went out of the country.... There's no more money [in Brunei].... Your story is the largest fraud that's ever taken place in the world.
It was every reporter's dream: The biggest financial crime in history had been perpetrated against the world's second-richest man--and here I was with an exclusive source ready to unfold it all. Quirk, a Florida-based sleuth with an intriguingly apt name, explained that he'd just arrived in Washington, D.C., for a Labor Day weekend dinner with Pengiran Anak Dato Puteh, the Sultan of Brunei's ambassador to the U.S., and attorney Thomas C. Ferguson, a former American ambassador to Brunei. Quirk said he remembered Ferguson from his days in the CIA. I was all ears:
It's a little difficult to talk because I'm at Ferguson's house in D.C.... They estimate that Jefri took more than $15 billion. The other $25 billion was divvied up by six ministers and a number of vendors and suppliers.... He [Brunei's ambassador] said, "People who do this to us, whether they are Muslims or not, they die. They are murdered."
Newspapers were already filled with rumors that the Sultan's brother, Prince Jefri, was in exile, while billions of dollars seemed to be missing from the tiny Southeast Asian monarchy. (For more, please read the preceding story.) But Quirk's numbers were high enough to rattle the economies of several Asian countries. What's more, Brunei's ambassador--the Sultan's own brother-in-law--was suggesting the prince himself might get whacked! Quirk played me a short voice-mail message he claimed to have received from Ferguson, in which the former ambassador can be heard warning "John" against associating with the media. My ears were smoking as Quirk talked on:
The [Brunei] government wants to hire me.... The Bureau [FBI] is in a race with the Agency [CIA] to get this information. They've instructed me not to talk to any station chiefs.... I have the ability to find assets like nobody has.... You're not going to get anything in Brunei without me.
Fortunately, I was already en route to Brunei when I received most of these breathless messages. Quirk promised to join me, as FORTUNE had agreed to pay his expenses. But he never materialized. Nor did any of his hot tips, which he dispensed over the course of some four weeks. It later turned out that there had been no September dinner in Washington. (Ferguson sent me an airline ticket to help prove he spent the Labor Day weekend with his mother--in Kentucky.) Likewise, Quirk had made no call from Ferguson's house in the capital. (The property had been sold in August.) In the end, the only thing that was real was the voice-mail message from Ferguson. But the ex-ambassador insists he left it on the answering machine of a law client--a different "John"--on a matter unrelated to Brunei. "Spooky, very spooky," says Ferguson. "I don't know what this guy is up to, but it certainly gets my attention. I have no idea how he got my phone message. How do you spell his name?"
John Patrick Quirk runs International Research Group (IRG), a global asset-recovery and corporate "intelligence" outfit based in Boca Raton, Fla. His employees have included investigators from the world's leading law enforcement agencies, and he has counted some very well known names among his clients: Kroll Associates, Polo Ralph Lauren, Louis Vuitton, KPMG (accounting), Guess (jeans), and Prince (tennis rackets). Today they all have one thing in common--they rue the day they ever met Johnny Quirk.
With corporate intelligence one of America's fastest-growing industries, the story of John Quirk serves as a cautionary tale. CEOs and general counsels looking to give themselves an edge through better intelligence are finding themselves vulnerable to a large, and expanding, class of swindlers. As Quirk himself warned FORTUNE, in a rare flash of honesty, "There's a lot of fraud in the fraud business."
He should know. In 1996, while denying the charges, Quirk agreed to pay a fine to the state of Florida for operating without insurance, operating without a licensed manager, and employing an unlicensed investigator (he himself still doesn't have an investigator's license, although the state hasn't nailed him for this violation--yet). But nine months after paying the fine he was back on top of his game. He found himself in Washington, for real this time, playing the part of a star witness at a secret hearing before the House Intelligence Committee. Former Congressman Robert Dornan was so charmed by Quirk that he declared, "The logo of IRG should be here [in the committee boardroom] along with the other American intelligence services." Says Dornan today: "It was just a colorful compliment because they do good work. His testimony was superb.... He impressed me as a patriotic American."
Many of Quirk's former employees have a different view of the man. "An out-and-out crook," says Mary Clark-Fischer, an 18-year CIA veteran who worked briefly for Quirk. "A scam artist," snaps Tom Means, a former Army Special Forces officer who once served as IRG's head of security. "Full of deceit, from top to bottom," echoes Paul Whybrow, a former British police detective who quit working for Quirk in 1995. "Most every case was a lie," concludes James Whitehead, a U.S. marshal for 14 years before joining IRG in 1994. What does Quirk have to say? "Go ahead. Investigate me," he dares FORTUNE. "You'll find nothing but good dealings and good references.... We've had no unhappy clients. Except one--the CIA."
Media profiles have portrayed the 53-year-old Quirk as a dashing CIA veteran who has outwitted the Russian mob, smashed counterfeiting rings, and performed other breathtaking feats. Business Week once likened him to something out of "a John le Carre spy novel." In fact, The Secret Life of Walter Mitty would be a better description. In that classic 1947 film, loosely based on a James Thurber story, Danny Kaye plays a magazine proofreader who--inspired by the pulp fiction he reads for a living--concocts extravagant fantasies that spill over into real life, projecting himself as a Western outlaw, a World War II fighter pilot, and a courageous sea captain. Similarly, Quirk had been a small-time editor and publisher of education texts in Connecticut when, in the 1980s, he switched to writing and publishing books about the CIA and FBI. He joined the Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO), where he rubbed shoulders with retired spies. Eventually he simply became one. "He was very clever," recalls Herbert Saunders, a former deputy director of the CIA. "The old-boy network would have a couple of pops at lunchtime and tell war stories. Quirk would listen very adroitly and incorporate them into his own background. He's a total, absolute fraud. He is capable of anything. And this guy needs to be stopped."
At some stage in his metamorphosis, Quirk managed to entice former CIA directors Richard Helms and William Colby into writing the forewords for two of his books about the agency. One was a photo collection that U.S. News in 1987 called the "closest thing yet to an official history of the CIA"; the other was a career guide for agency recruits. Both books seem slapped together, but the participation of Colby, Helms, and other top spooks gave Quirk instant credibility. "Quirk is the biggest con artist I ever met," says Robert Van Beever, who spent more than 20 years as a CIA agent. "And he conned some of the top people in the CIA, who were too embarrassed to go after him."
In fact, Quirk can't even decide if he was ever actually in the CIA. He told FORTUNE he "ran proprietaries" (or secret front companies) for the agency, and he faxed over an article that described him as a former agent. In 1994, in a court deposition, he stated under oath that he had worked for the CIA "in the collection of information" from 1965 to roughly 1986. Yet in a subsequent deposition in another case, he stated--again under oath--that he never worked as a CIA agent. A recent letter from the agency's Office of General Counsel may be the final word on the subject: "A thorough and diligent search" of the CIA's records found no evidence that Quirk "has had any relationship with the CIA, either employment, contractual, or operational."
Nevertheless, Quirk's fantasies are almost novelistic in their detail. "When John opens his mouth and says something, I think he truly believes it," says Larry Neaves, a former FBI agent who once worked as IRG's general manager. In one of Quirk's yarns, he places himself in the middle of the CIA's scheme to use mules to carry missiles and other supplies to the Afghan mujahideen in the 1980s. It was Walter Mitty all the way: "We got [the 2,000 mules] on the ships and everything. Two of the leading mules we called Jake and Elroy--the Blues Brothers.... That [operation] really turned the war around. It was one of the biggest U.S. government successes.... I had a cover name called John D. Kass--Jackass." The name may fit, but Quirk's account means nothing to Milt Bearden, the former CIA station chief who actually ran the Afghan mule operation. "We didn't deal with anyone who sounds remotely like this guy," says Bearden. "You're just getting jerked around. There are great mule stories, by the way, but he doesn't have any of them."
Nevertheless, armed with his ersatz resume, Quirk was ready to do what most retired spies do: get corporate work. His big break came in 1989. At the time, the Marciano brothers of the Guess jeans empire were mired in a massive and vicious legal war with rival Jordache. At one point in the feud the Marcianos suspected that a known Jordache agent was planting bogus information with government officials in France in an effort to get designer Georges Marciano deported from America. The Marcianos asked their investigators, Kroll Associates, to look into the matter. Kroll subcontracted the job to a Virginia-based outfit called Varicon, which, in turn, farmed the assignment out to Quirk.
Quirk flew to France and was soon sending memos to his bosses about how a U.S. consular official in Nice confessed to him that he had met with the Jordache agent. Quirk's memos were explosive, and they helped fuel a preexisting federal criminal probe of Jordache, as well as a civil racketeering suit against the agent. There was just one problem: Quirk was lying. In a sworn declaration, the consular official denied ever meeting or speaking with the Jordache agent. Moreover, Varicon's CEO at the time, Herb Saunders, the ex-CIA official, turned up evidence that Quirk had falsified his memos and stolen expense money from Varicon by double-dipping. Saunders says that when confronted with all this, Quirk threatened retaliation from a hit team: "He said he had boys in Venezuela who would take care of me. He said, 'I will piss in your soup at the CIA.' "
Quirk had started the fire, and now he was feeling the heat. But our Walter Mitty had one more trick up his sleeve. In August 1989, within days of being grilled about his memos by a federal prosecutor, Quirk switched sides. He met secretly with the Jordache agent, turned over his memos, and tried to pin the blame for the frame-up on his bosses at Kroll. "Quirk came to me like a knight in shining armor, but he was running for his life," recalls the Jordache agent, Octavio Pena. "He's a con man. He betrayed his client. But his memos were very useful to me." Transcripts of taped conversations reveal that Quirk was trying to get hired by Pena, but Pena insists no money changed hands. In the end, the criminal and civil cases involving Guess and Jordache were dropped or settled; otherwise, Quirk's actions could have devastated Kroll, the country's largest corporate-investigations agency. "It was a mortifying experience," recalls founder Jules Kroll. "There's a group of guys like this--the John Quirks of the world--and they are what I have been fighting against and trying to distinguish us from for all of these years."
After his narrow escape from the Guess-Jordache debacle, Quirk was ready for a fresh start. In Connecticut, judgments against him were piling up, many of which remain unpaid. He lost a home and an office to two different banks, but he quickly bought one of the properties back under a corporate shell in 1993. He also moved to Florida, where a homestead act protects houses from being seized by creditors.
In Florida, Quirk expanded IRG by hiring other investigators and taking on numerous clients. One was Polo Ralph Lauren, whose in-house attorney, Lee Sporn, was so impressed by Quirk's picaresque CIA past that he hired the investigator to capture counterfeiters. Once again, it was Mitty to the rescue! Quirk went undercover in 1993, printing stationery describing himself as a dealer in "genuine" Polo goods. He then found two unsuspecting garment brokers, whom he enticed into an agreement to make nearly 50,000 Polo golf shirts in China. The brokers thought they had struck the deal of a lifetime, but they were in for the sting of their lives.
The Polo case, which wound up before a jury in federal civil court in Boston two years ago, illustrates the chaos a sham investigator like Quirk can visit on a major corporation. In this instance, he tricked the two brokers into believing he was an authorized Polo dealer. Then, out of the other side of his mouth, Quirk told Polo's lawyers the brokers had confessed to previous counterfeiting scams. It wasn't true, but it led to a fruitless raid by police and federal marshals of the home of one of the brokers, Barry Eavzan. In a 1993 declaration that prompted a judge to approve the raid, Quirk had sworn that a particular customs agent had told him Eavzan was a suspected counterfeiter. But at the trial, four years later, the agent testified that she had told Quirk nothing of the sort and that the only person who ever spoke poorly of Eavzan was Quirk himself.
Not surprisingly, Polo lost the case. Indeed, Polo's star witness--Quirk himself--hadn't bothered to appear at the Boston trial. Apparently he was "away currently on another investigation," testified Sporn, the Polo lawyer. But Eavzan's lawyer, Edward Epstein, argued to the jury that the sleuth was not produced because "they know Quirk is a liar." Epstein was probably right. FORTUNE has obtained a private letter that Polo's outside counsel had written to Quirk two years before the trial, complaining about his "totally unacceptable" behavior. The 1995 letter stated that Quirk's work for two other clients was unauthorized and that his bills "will not be paid." Quirk, it concluded, should expect "no further work" from the attorneys.
John Boaden and Paul Whybrow spent a combined 48 years as British police investigators, specializing in white-collar crime. But even that wasn't enough to prepare them for Quirk, whose company they worked for briefly in the mid-1990s. Both men claim Quirk tried to persuade them to break into the offices of an agent from the Food and Drug Administration who was conducting a probe of an IRG client--a now-defunct pacemaker manufacturer called Telectronics. "He was suggesting that we break into a federal agency if necessary," says Boaden. "You don't suggest that sort of thing to two ex-police officers."
Whybrow recalls that Quirk regularly provided Telectronics with false data. "It was just to keep the thing rolling and to keep billing," he says. "And they (Telectronics) were paying because they were desperate." Indeed, when told that FORTUNE was writing a story about Quirk, the pacemaker company's lawyer, Jim Gale, slips into what sounds like a cardiac arrest: "Ohhhhhh, God! Ohhh, my gosh! You tell me yours, and I'll tell you mine! In retrospect, after we cut him loose, I didn't think anything he told me was true. I thought he just took our money."
For FORTUNE's Brunei story, the lies Quirk spun were staggering. On several occasions he stated that he currently does "all" the asset-recovery work for the Canadian operations of KPMG, the accounting giant. He suggested that I contact his "good friend" Norman Inkster, who runs the firm's forensic unit in Canada. Quirk also stated that Inkster had recently asked him to fly to England to "bail" the firm out of difficulties involving its Brunei account. However, when reached by telephone, Inkster says that he is not Quirk's friend and that he'd never enlisted Quirk's help on any matter involving Brunei. Quirk did work briefly for KPMG a year ago, on a few unrelated cases, but the experience proved unsettling. "We do not anticipate that John Quirk will be doing any further work for KPMG," says Inkster.
And so it went, on and on and on:
--Quirk said he was meeting with Secret Service and Scotland Yard agents at a certain law office in Florida regarding "illegal currency transactions" by Brunei's Prince Jefri.
--He said that the FBI was setting up meetings for Quirk and FORTUNE with legal attaches around the world on the subject of Brunei. ("For what I do with the government, I call the shots.")
--He said that Alistair Brown, who runs an investigative firm called Bermuda Research, had informed him that Prince Jefri may be seeking control of the Sultan's alleged bank accounts in Bermuda.
--He said that Tom Ferguson, the former ambassador to Brunei, had signed a secret contract with him in September regarding the recovery of Prince Jefri's assets. --He said his was "the only private company" doing extensive "counter-intelligence investigations" for the FBI.
--He said that he had done pro bono work for the World Jewish Congress concerning the Swiss. ("I gave them lectures on how the Swiss will lie to them.")
--He said he was "just hired by the Bush family to do all the intelligence work for his sons...Jeb and George."
The bottom line: Every individual and organization named in the previous seven paragraphs disputes Quirk's statements.
Despite many promises, Quirk never made it to Brunei. In one phone message he complained that the CIA had "blocked" him on several fronts and that "I hope you mention those pricks in your article." But in fact, Quirk became increasingly hard to find. When I finally did run him to ground to confront him, he responded that some enemy might be using FORTUNE as a "cutout" in an effort to "hurt" him. He says his former employees are "not very credible" and that he has "extensive files on every one of those people."
As for his hot leads on the Brunei story, like Thurber's Walter Mitty a half century ago, Quirk doesn't seem to know when the jig is finally up. "I know where at least $3 billion has gone," he explodes. "I swear on my kids I know the whole story." So where's the money? "Why should I tell you that now? Thank God I never gave you the names of the people where Jefri put his money. Jesus, these guys would chop me in half."
Some time ago, in a more reflective mood, Quirk set down the following observation on his Website: "The fraudster's creed is deception, dishonesty, and total disregard for the human suffering he inflicts upon careers and institutions." Perhaps with that in mind, Quirk in 1997 announced his intention to sell stock to the public and to build a 40,000-square-foot "smart building" in Florida--to service "Fortune 500" companies and the federal government. Given his past, we can only hope Quirk builds a really smart building: For as Clark-Fischer, the CIA veteran, puts it, "Three-quarters of the people who ever worked for John would probably like to put a hit on him--if they could find him." That's a sentiment echoed by Tom Means, the former Special Forces officer and Quirk's ex-security chief. "Golly, if murder wasn't illegal, he'd have been gone a long time ago," Means says. "Crush him. Crush him like a Pepsi can. I will hang your picture on my mantle."
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Hmm, surprised that Quirk hasn't figured out a way to get a movie made about his shenanigans. But the fact that he's gone from scamming big name corporations to appearing at a conference for professional deadbeats must be a real blow to his pride.
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He does sound like fRuSA material here. They ought to make him head of their CIA or FBI or something, he'd fit right in with the rest of the frauds. I wonder if Rod Class is still their Attorney General?
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Found out some more information from RuSA's propaganda calls. RuSA had 13 elected Fake Governors when it held its elections earlier this year, "several" have left since then (guess being Fake Governor wasn't everything they hoped for). Trying to piece together what their Fake Governors say about their own state, it appears there are approximately 10-30 people per state. That means ***AT MOST*** they now have about 400 total people who participate. This is down from the 5k+ during Fake President Timmy's reign.
Lo, how the mighty Fake Nation has fallen.
Lo, how the mighty Fake Nation has fallen.
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I'm not sure I would necessarily credit anything much Jimmy Tim ever said or claimed either. I still doubt the numbers were ever that high other than in his imagination, and it definitely seems like they are declining rapidly at this point. I can't pretend to even fathom what the original gov't types thought they were getting in to. My naturally suspicious mind says that at least a good handful of them were in it for what grift they thought they could get, and there just really wasn't anything much. Of the old crew, I think Kelby is the only old timer left and I'm not sure what that says about him one way or another.
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Donna Kozak's buddy, Randall David Due of Pelham, GA, and fellow lien conspirator was convicted by a NE Federal jury today on seven counts of conspiracy to file and of filing false liens, facing a possible 10 years in prison for his efforts.
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Eight minutes of Randy complaining about his trial.
Randy Due could give Rod Class a run for his money in the gibberish department. I wish he'd explain the thinking (if that's the right word) behind his "right" to file liens against judges. I can only assume he presented the issue at trial. Perhaps that's where Randy's "conflict of interest" complaint stems from.
One point of interest to me was that two years ago Randy Due was being given time on KSDZ radio in Gordon Nebraska to pontificate as a "Public Minister" and "Civil Rights Activist." It was moderately disappointing that a broadcast radio station would give time and lend credibility to sovereign gibberish spewer, not once but at least a dozen times.
One point of note, Randy was not discussing the Kleensang case, the one that found the occasion to his recent conviction. Instead he was commenting on a very bitter family squabble where the adult son of an elderly ranch family used a legal process to evict his parents from their homestead, taking possession of the land and the cattle. The entire sad story was made just so much worse because the elderly couple granted Randy Due "Power of Attorney" and he personally mounted their legal defense. I recall clearly that one of Randy's bitter complaints of court corruption on the KSDZ radio Public Affairs program was that even though he had been given power of attorney he was not being allowed to pretend he was an attorney in court.
Well, back in June of this year the host of that public affairs program issued something of a mea culpa (at about the five minute mark on this MP3 link). He admits the couple would have been far better served if they had gotten a real attorney and expressed discomfort with the tone of the broadcasts he did with Randy. I'm not using this gentleman's name here because he realized he made a mistake and owned up to it.
But it should be known that Randal Due was not the only victim of his gibberish.
A late edit to add a link with more information (and gibberish) about the cattle ranch debacle.
Randy Due could give Rod Class a run for his money in the gibberish department. I wish he'd explain the thinking (if that's the right word) behind his "right" to file liens against judges. I can only assume he presented the issue at trial. Perhaps that's where Randy's "conflict of interest" complaint stems from.
One point of interest to me was that two years ago Randy Due was being given time on KSDZ radio in Gordon Nebraska to pontificate as a "Public Minister" and "Civil Rights Activist." It was moderately disappointing that a broadcast radio station would give time and lend credibility to sovereign gibberish spewer, not once but at least a dozen times.
One point of note, Randy was not discussing the Kleensang case, the one that found the occasion to his recent conviction. Instead he was commenting on a very bitter family squabble where the adult son of an elderly ranch family used a legal process to evict his parents from their homestead, taking possession of the land and the cattle. The entire sad story was made just so much worse because the elderly couple granted Randy Due "Power of Attorney" and he personally mounted their legal defense. I recall clearly that one of Randy's bitter complaints of court corruption on the KSDZ radio Public Affairs program was that even though he had been given power of attorney he was not being allowed to pretend he was an attorney in court.
Well, back in June of this year the host of that public affairs program issued something of a mea culpa (at about the five minute mark on this MP3 link). He admits the couple would have been far better served if they had gotten a real attorney and expressed discomfort with the tone of the broadcasts he did with Randy. I'm not using this gentleman's name here because he realized he made a mistake and owned up to it.
But it should be known that Randal Due was not the only victim of his gibberish.
A late edit to add a link with more information (and gibberish) about the cattle ranch debacle.
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Not exactly, GD. He still calls Due a "non-union lawyer and civil rights activist". Perhaps, more importantly, he blames public officials rather than himself for putting Due's bullshit on the air. Repeatedly. They refused to tell him what to ask Due, you see.GlimDropper wrote:I'm not using this gentleman's name here because he realized he made a mistake and owned up to it.
And it would have taken an IQ of 30 for him to have figured that out on his own.
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I agree with Wes. It almost sounded like he wanted to distance himself from Randall... but not his ideals. Kinda of an upside down apology.wserra wrote:Not exactly, GD. He still calls Due a "non-union lawyer and civil rights activist". Perhaps, more importantly, he blames public officials rather than himself for putting Due's bullshit on the air. Repeatedly. They refused to tell him what to ask Due, you see.GlimDropper wrote:I'm not using this gentleman's name here because he realized he made a mistake and owned up to it.
And it would have taken an IQ of 30 for him to have figured that out on his own.
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I am perhaps being a little overly generous to Mr. Lambley. I think his heart is ultimately in the right place, the Jesse family were (and are) living something of a nightmare in losing their ranch, their home and several hundred thousand dollars worth of cattle. I believe it was compassion for them that lead Mr. Lambley to give airtime to the man who was purporting to try and help the Jesse's.
The problem with that of course is the help that was being offered was sovereign gibberish.
The archive of the "Public Affairs" shows where Mr. Lambley was interviewing Randy is no longer online but I listened to most of them. I never got the impression that Lambley was a sovereign of any stripe, my inference is that the same is not true of the Jesse's. Lambley was remiss in his duty as a broadcast license holder to perform due diligence on a person he was giving so much free air time to. He may have soft soaped that by (quite) a bit but my impression is that he isn't disposed to make that particular mistake again.
BTW, it looks like Randy is set to go free. What, mere days before his conviction the Common Law Grand Jury of Sheridan Nebraska issued an Oder to Cease and Desist against the Judge presiding in Randy's case. I can only assume they didn't spring for next day air delivery and as soon as Judge Dawson realizes the gravity of the situation he'll swing the cell door open personally to let Randy go. That or he might reserve the cell next to Randy for Joaquin De Moreta-Folch.
One or the other.
Edit to add: You can't make this stuff up. Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch has been dis-fellowshiped, de-frocked or whatever the hell John Darash calls it when you can't go to the same Deny's that John's Grand Slam Jury is holding court in. [Link]
The problem with that of course is the help that was being offered was sovereign gibberish.
The archive of the "Public Affairs" shows where Mr. Lambley was interviewing Randy is no longer online but I listened to most of them. I never got the impression that Lambley was a sovereign of any stripe, my inference is that the same is not true of the Jesse's. Lambley was remiss in his duty as a broadcast license holder to perform due diligence on a person he was giving so much free air time to. He may have soft soaped that by (quite) a bit but my impression is that he isn't disposed to make that particular mistake again.
BTW, it looks like Randy is set to go free. What, mere days before his conviction the Common Law Grand Jury of Sheridan Nebraska issued an Oder to Cease and Desist against the Judge presiding in Randy's case. I can only assume they didn't spring for next day air delivery and as soon as Judge Dawson realizes the gravity of the situation he'll swing the cell door open personally to let Randy go. That or he might reserve the cell next to Randy for Joaquin De Moreta-Folch.
One or the other.
Edit to add: You can't make this stuff up. Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch has been dis-fellowshiped, de-frocked or whatever the hell John Darash calls it when you can't go to the same Deny's that John's Grand Slam Jury is holding court in. [Link]
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Truly scary that there is someone out there crazier than Darish, but DeMoreta-Folch certainly fits the bill, or at least is more radical and more out there. He's been at this since well before Darish crawled out from under his rock, and I think somewhere in the dim recesses of what passes for Darish's mind he realized that DeMoreta-Folch's process will bring the roof down all the faster on his little scam. I think at this point, he, and the crazy in Colorado whose name I can't remember are on Darish's non-person list as well as the former organizer for VA who just recently very publicly quit. I think the tapestry of fantasy is beginning to fray a bit at the edges. DeMoreta-Folch has been annoying people in NE about long enough that it is about time for someone to squash him, and this latest effort may provide that impetus.
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John Darash, speaking for "The Constitution Club" which is apparently a front for NLA, has issued a warning about Joaquin DeMoreta-Folch:
http://constitutionclub.ning.com/forum/ ... e=activity
Since I don't know how long that page will stay up, here's the text of their warning:
http://constitutionclub.ning.com/forum/ ... e=activity
Since I don't know how long that page will stay up, here's the text of their warning:
All I will say is that if someone is too crazy for Darash then that person is crazy indeed.NLA DISCLAIMER AGAINST JOAQUIN MARIANO DE MORETA-FOLCH
Posted by Johnny B Mikel on July 9, 2014 at 4:58pm in Public Comments & DiscussionsView Discussions
http://nationallibertyalliance.org/file ... -07-07.mp3
NLA
DISCLAIMER AGAINST JOAQUIN MARIANO DE MORETA-FOLCH
DISCLAIMER
The purpose of this disclaimer is to deny any connection with Mr. Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch, who titles himself a God Grace Administrator, concerning his filing of papers in Sheridan County, Nebraska and any other papers he may have filed in other states/counties.
Numerous people from NLA have advised Joaquin not to file these kind of hybrid papers in the name of the Common Law Grand Jury. We explained that it could create a serious barrier to the efforts of NLA.
We told Joaquin that if he was determined to file such papers to not do it in the name of the Common Law Grand Jury and he acknowledged that he would not use the name.
Joaquin is in dishonor for the following reasons:
1) Joaquin filed hybrid papers in the name of the Common Law Grand Jury after he said he would not injure us;
2) Joaquin does not live in Sheridan County, Nebraska he lives in Florida;
3) The People working to restore justice in the courts in Sheridan County, Nebraska through the Common Law Grand Jury has denied Joaquin’s hybrid papers.
4) Nevertheless Joaquin went forward on his own, claiming twenty-five people with him, presumed from other states if there are twenty-five people;
5) Joaquin purchased and used a Sheridan County, Nebraska seal identical to the one designed by the Common Law Grand Juries administrations we are creating, particularly Sheridan County, Nebraska, and in doing so he has blemished the Sheridan County Common Law Grand Jury administration.
6) Joaquin in his hybrid papers fraudulently used the following contact information IN THE UNITED STATES COURTHOUSE Office of the United States Marshal Services Director
Washington, D. C. 20530-1000 Phone: (202) 307-9054, E-mail: usms.foia@usdoj.gov Stacia A. Hylton, United States Marshal Services Director
7) Joaquin fraudulently created the case number: 06/17/2014/CLGJIRDD/SCNE
Joaquin claimed himself the plaintiff.
9) Joaquin called his hybrid papers a lawsuit, a criminal complaint, a affidavit, a demand to Amend and a commercial lien to take the Homes, Lands and Possessions of the accused Joaquin then lists fifteen facts yet to be proven in a court of law, quotes portions of the Magna Carta, US Constitution, Bill of Rights and US Codes and then illogically concludes with the imposing of fines and penalties giving his hybrid complaint a so called commercial value of $133,800,000.00. Joaquin then seems to convert the hybrid papers into a commercial lien upon ten judges and fifty other people who Joaquin refers to as lien debtors. Joaquin then under the hybrid title Plaintiff, Common Law Grand Jury Administrator of Sheridan County, Nebraska commands and demands the accused to amend without delay, with the following threat; Joaquin, plaintiff will execute said commercial and personal liens by 07/27/2014 whereas Joaquin will commence in the taking of their houses, lands and possessions under the power of a Notice of Default which Joaquin calls due process. Joaquin further ordains that all Defendants immediately shall be incapable to hold any office now and in the future;
Joaquin further ordains that if the accused do not comply by 07/26/2014 the defendants shall serve as a reduced sentence from imprisonment of life to not more than 10 years of community service of 4 hours per day for the crimes that have been committed; with no pay; working each defendant, in a different criminology center of the State of Nebraska and Georgia; Defendants shall be teaching inmates to file "United States Constitutional Criminal Complaint; [but defendants are ignorant to the Constitution]
Joaquin concludes with compounded interest at 1.00% per month and 12.68247% per year, on any unpaid balance of the outstanding debt, attached to Joaquin’s hybrid papers are numerous commercial liens signed by Randy Due, titled Public Minister.
The power and authority of the Common Law Grand Jury administration is to
(1) investigate,
(2) negotiate a remedy between the violator and the injured party,
(3) bring the issue before the Grand Jury chosen from a pool within the county or federal district.
The power and authority of the Common Law Grand Jury is to
(1) write and file a True Bill of Indictment,
(2) write and file a Bill of Information. Only the process by filing one of the aforesaid can remove a person from office.
The Grand Jury or its administration does not have the authority to
(1) enforce a judgment without due process (due process is a trial by jury in a court of law),
(2) file commercial liens (3) threaten and intimidate.
Joaquin with three others did not perform an investigation. Joaquin with three others did not try and negotiate a remedy but instead threatened and intimidated. Joaquin with three others did not bring the issue before the Grand Jury chosen from a pool with in the county or federal district. Joaquin with three others did not bring the issue before the Grand Jury after an investigation. The Grand Jury did not write and file a True Bill of Indictment. The Grand Jury did not write and file a Bill of Information. Without an indictment a person cannot be removed from office. Commercial leins come into play in courts of equity and not courts of law.
The accused did not enjoy their day in a court of law (due process) before anyone can imprison or seize their property. Joaquin just flew into Nebraska filed intimidating, illegal papers and then flew back to Florida. Joaquin became the tyrant and if one of the accused filed a complaint with a proper Grand Jury, Joaquin would be indicted because he injured people and violated their unalienable rights. We read in United States v Williams: “we have insisted that the grand jury remain "free to pursue its investigations unhindered by external influence or supervision so long as it does not trench upon the legitimate rights of any witness called before it." United States v. Dionisio, 410 U.S. 1, 17-18, 93 S.Ct. 764, 773, 35 L.Ed.2d 67 (1973).”
The Grand Jury administration is not judge, trial and executioner, that’s the role of a tyrant. After conversations with Joaquin and reading his chaotic papers I have come to the conclusion that Joaquin is unlearned and unstable, and there is nothing more frightening then ignorance in action.
In conclusion Joaquin’s fifty-five page document was a combination of equity and fiction while claiming common law authority and thereby it is a hybrid document with no legal rhyme or reason. The said hybrid document also violates the unalienable right of due process of all of the accused. Joaquin has combined equity and fiction falsely in the name of common law.
It is my sincere and humble opinion that Mr. Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch because of the fraudulent impressions given by his un-authoritative document especially the impression that the paper was delivered under the authority of the Office of the United States Marshal Services Director Stacia A. Hylton in Washington D.C., that there has commenced by now an investigation by the justice department concerning Joaquin and all the people involved with this debacle. No doubt this investigation will lead to Florida where Mr. Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch lives. It is further my opinion that the administration of the Florida Common Law Grand Juries will be in the justice departments cross hairs and any credibility that Florida NLA members give to Joaquin will put their efforts and all NLA members efforts in jeopardy. Joaquin has already been removed from NLA’s membership and we demand that all NLA members that are in association with Joaquin to remove themselves from our membership immediately.
I would further like to add that we have kept ourselves as pure as possible. I have been approach by many groups across the nation, and individuals working on their behalf, doing similar things as us, have approached me to join forces and I have refused them all, because NLA is not a group and NLA is not a top down organization like all the groups that have solicited me. We are the People, we are grassroots and we have found Liberty.
NLA is only a facilitator of knowledge, organization and communications. We have no chief but God. And we will either stand on principles or we will kiss the boots of tyrants. Unfortunately the aforesaid groups are led by egos and without naming names a few of these egos,after telling me that they are honorable and respect what we are doing, slithered into what they saw as an opportunity to embellish themselves by partnering with Joaquin in this fiasco for fame. NLA has worked diligently in an effort to work within the judicial procedures of the courts of law and under the principles of Honor, Justice and Mercy and these dishonorable people have betrayed us all.
Nevertheless be of good cheer and stand for justice, for we read, Rom 8:28, We know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Thank you for your time and may God have mercy upon our souls.
In His Service,
John Darash
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That whatever it is is a hoot and a half. I thought the writer's comment that Folch is unstable was priceless. So here we see the connection with Randy Due which I think leads back to our favorite dentist if I'm not mistaken. I thought Folch lived in NE but apparently is a FL native.
This just gets more and more entertaining by the minute.
This just gets more and more entertaining by the minute.
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Maybe they'll indict each other.
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Everyone may recall how the current RuSA Fake President Geiger has been setting things up to sweep Fake President Timmy's tenure in office under the rug. Now that process of rewriting Fake Republic history is complete. Geiger asked the Fake Attorney General to give an opinion on the election of Fake President Timmy, and - SURPRISE! - that person decided that Fake President Timmy was not actually Fake President because he didn't take the oath of office.
As usual, the insanity level here is just surreal. We have some random guy who thinks he is the President asking someone who has appointed as the Attorney General issuing memorandums on fake election issues. This is long, but worth it for the read. It completes RuSA's process of ensuring that the "issue" of having had President Timmy can now be fully swept under the rug anytime its brought up. Poor Timmy, the process of being thrown under the bus is now complete.
Anyone notice how Fake President Timmy used to send missives to RuSA that they published every few months ago...and now that has stopped? Not because he stopped writing them, but because they figured out how hysterically bad it made them look. Having your jailed Fake President send sermons that you posted on the website apparently wasn't good for the membership numbers.
Here is the "press release" in full:
As usual, the insanity level here is just surreal. We have some random guy who thinks he is the President asking someone who has appointed as the Attorney General issuing memorandums on fake election issues. This is long, but worth it for the read. It completes RuSA's process of ensuring that the "issue" of having had President Timmy can now be fully swept under the rug anytime its brought up. Poor Timmy, the process of being thrown under the bus is now complete.
Anyone notice how Fake President Timmy used to send missives to RuSA that they published every few months ago...and now that has stopped? Not because he stopped writing them, but because they figured out how hysterically bad it made them look. Having your jailed Fake President send sermons that you posted on the website apparently wasn't good for the membership numbers.
Here is the "press release" in full:
And just like that, Fake President Timmy is no more. And...how nice...the Fake Attorney General has now ensured Fake President Geiger can no longer be questioned on his election shenanigans either (he rigged his own fake election).Attorney General Cihak Election Opinion
by: President James Buchanan Geiger
Date: September 9, 2014
Secured ID: PR364424252RUSA
From the beginning of the Restoration process President Turner said that there is no known manual to restore the Republic. In the days leading up to the inauguration this past March we discovered that President Turner had not taken the Presidential oath mandated by the Constitution. Over the ensuing months other questions have arisen concerning elections, terms and the constitutional schedule of Presidential terms and/or cycles.
Enough questions have been raised that I felt the American People deserved and would expect an official explanation on these issues. Therefore, on August 22, 2014 I requested that Attorney General Cihak render an official opinion to answer these questions. Attached you will find that opinion. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Attorney General Cihak for his thoughtful and extensive work on this matter.
It is my intent to accept these findings and proceed forward according to the Constitution as Attorney General Cihak has laid out. Please take the time to read these findings and opinion in their entirety.
Thank you all and God Bless the Republic for the United States of America.
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Status: For Immediate Release to the People, Unrestricted
Statement of Background: On August 22, 2014 this office received an email from James Geiger, President of the Republic for the United States of America. Said email contained five (5) specific questions addressed to the Attorney General, seeking the opinions of this office. As the Attorney General for the Republic for the United States of America, I believe these questions and their answers to be of paramount importance to the People of our nation and the Republic. Therefore, the findings and opinions of this office are released for the benefit of all concerned.
The questions posed by President Geiger are in order and are as follows:
1). Based on evidence (recording, etc.) to be submitted did James Timothy Turner hold the Office of President of the United States of America?
2). If James Timothy Turner was not the President of the United States of America, then what office did he hold?
3). If James Timothy Turner was not the President of the United States of America then how would that effect the election and term current Office Holders President of the United States of America?
4). Is it necessary, as it has been suggested, to return to the original schedule of office terms regarding year, month and day for the President and Vice-President while we are in an interim status?
5). If the answer to the previous question is yes; how would this best be achieved without causing the States hardship and the electorate unnecessary concern?
Statement of Overview: The five questions posed by President Geiger are provocative to say the least. The answers (opinions) by this office may only be stated as part of a more fully encompassing subject matter that addresses the very core function, limitations and purposes of this interim and lawful de jure government. As the lawful interim government, it is the responsibility of each and every national or state officer holder to fully understand his/her capacity and subsequent effect that their actions, or inactions, have on our legitimate standing as the lawful civil authority of this nation. Although we may all make a mistake from time to time, as is the nature of a free people, it is our lawful intent that must be absolute, for it is our lawful intent that shall be questioned by those that may wish to harm this Republic and the People of our nation.
Statement of Investigation: After much consideration, this office requested and received documents, data and historical information necessary to reach the findings and opinions that follow. This data and information received by this office includes: A). The recording of James Timothy Turner taking his Oath of Office. B). Documents demonstrating the election process for his office. C). The organic Constitution for the United States of America (circa 1788). D). All of the aforementioned as they relate to James Buchanan Geiger for his office.
Statement of Findings and Opinions: Reference to the Constitution, the election processes for each of these individuals, and the supporting data were carefully considered. Following are the official findings of this office regarding the questions posed:
Question the First:
Based on evidence (recording, etc.) to be submitted did James Timothy Turner hold the Office of President of the United States of America?
Opinion the First:
It was the obvious intent of the People to elect James Timothy Turner the first lawful President for the United States of America since the mid 1800's. My investigation of the election process shows that President Turner was elected by the vote of delegates from each of the states. Each state was allowed to cast 1 vote only. The delegates initiated and completed the voting process prior to September 23rd, 2010.
On September 23rd, 2010 the Assembly voted to form a proper and lawful form of government consisting of three separate branches to be the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government. At this time and on this date, James Timothy Turner took his Oath of Office as follows: "Tim Turner, do you solemnly swear that you will uphold, support, and defend the Constitution of the Republic of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that you will bear truth, faith and allegiance to the same, that you will take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that you will faithfully discharge the duties of the office which you are about to enter, so help you God? If you agree, say "I Do"." On September 23rd, 2010 the Free States of the Union were successful in re-inhabiting the lawful Republic for the United States of America and in forming the lawful government under a Republican Form of Governance as authorized and chartered by the Constitution of the United States of America (circa 1788). James Timothy Turner was elected by delegates of the Free States of the Union, not by the electoral votes of an Electoral College. Further, the Oath of Office administered to President Turner was in the form of a Military Oath and was not the Oath prescribed by Article Two, Section One of the Constitution which is: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.".
Therefore, it is the opinion of this office that James Timothy Turner was not elected President of the United States of America.
Question the Second:
If James Timothy Turner was not the President of the United States of America, then what office did he hold?
Opinion the Second:
The election process prescribed under Article Two, Section One of the Constitution for electing a President of the United States requires that electors cast the votes on behalf of the States. In addition, the Oath that President Turner took was not the Oath required under Article Two, Section One of the Constitution.
Therefore, it is the opinion of this office that James Timothy Turner was lawfully elected to the Office of 'President of the Assembly'.
Question the Third:
If James Timothy Turner was not the President of the United States of America then how would that effect the election and term current Office Holders President of the United States of America?
Opinion the Third:
When President Turner was kidnapped, held against his will and subsequently involuntary incarcerated in September 2012, it was believed that the office of President of the United States was now vacant and needed to be filled by the Vice President to be Acting President until such time as a lawful election could be held and a new President sworn into office. On December 5th, 2013 electors met and did cast their votes for the Office of President of the United States. Those votes were submitted to the Senate who convened on February 12th, 2014 and then counted and read the votes on the Senate floor. James Buchanan Geiger accepted the Office of President of the United States on March 4th, 2014 by voluntarily taking the following Oath of Office: "I, James Buchanan Geiger, do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President for the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Therefore, it is the opinion of this office that, by prescription of the Constitution of the United States, James Buchanan Geiger was lawfully elected as President for the United States. As such, the current term of office for both the President and Vice President must run in the same lawful cycle as the Constitution allows. The de facto election cycle does in fact follow the constitution for the proper year of election and year of a new President to take office. In other words, James Buchanan Geiger is the lawful President and Daniel Owens is the lawful Vice President until the next lawful elections to be held in the year 2016 and next lawfully elected President and Vice President to take their Oath of Office on or before March 4th, 2017.
Question the Fourth:
Is it necessary, as it has been suggested, to return to the original schedule of office terms regarding year, month and day for the President and Vice-President while we are in an interim status?
Opinion the Fourth:
Since James Timothy Turner was not the lawfully elected President for the United States as prescribed by the Constitution, the election cycle created by President Turner's election was not valid for purposes of a Presidential election cycle nor did it conform to the cycle stated within the Constitution.
Therefore, it is the opinion of this office that James Buchanan Geiger is the first lawfully elected President for the United States, under the Constitutionally guaranteed Republican form of governance, since the mid 1800's. As such, the election cycle mandated by the Constitution and following President Geiger's 2014 Inauguration must remain lawful and intact.
Question the Fifth:
If the answer to the previous question is yes; how would this best be achieved without causing the States hardship and the electorate unnecessary concern?
Opinion the Fifth:
As stated in my "Opinion the Fourth", although President Turner's election did not carry complete validation, the current election cycle is valid. I find that the People will derive the greatest benefit by following the election cycle and year of the de facto so that we are following the lawful Constitutional election cycle as prescribed. This process should also benefit the Republic as a whole so as not to cause undue hardship nor duress.
Therefore, it is the opinion of this office that the next election year for the President and Vice President of the United States shall be 2016 and the Offices shall be filled, by those lawfully elected, on or before March 4th, 2017.
Summary Opinion
The Function of the de jure Interim Government,
the Republic for the United States of America
As we are the interim lawful government, we are therefore limited in scope as to purposeful functions of our government, our actions and efforts. And, although we are bound to act within constitutional parameters, we must recognize that as the interim government we may not always meet those parameters with definite specificity. We have, and will, face challenges that may further define us at a moments notice, just who and what we are at any given time. What each of us must realize is that the core function of this Republic is to conduct the business of the American People, without any goal or realization of personal or financial gain.
Power of the Three Branches of Government
Each of the three branches of our government, the Executive, the Legislative, and the Judicial are limited in their powers and their scope at this time. We are not a full functioning government, we are the interim government. It may not be easy at times for us to remember this. The Executive branch does have some power, although limited, to administrate the policies, declarations, and direction of the Republic. The Judicial branch does have the ability to hear and adjudicate cases and matter presented before the Supreme Court, provided there is a quorum of justices to hear such cases. The Legislative branch is probably the most limited in its scope and function at this time, mainly due to the fact that we do not have a quorum of the States represented in either the Senate or the House of Representatives.
I urge each of you to take it upon yourself to be thoughtful of the limited power that exists and the subject matter or actions that you and your branch of government may act upon at any given time. Open or closed discussions are acceptable; just ensure that you have the delegated authority to take the actions that you may contemplate.
The Business at Hand...
We all work hard and volunteer our time and efforts to build the Republic. And there will surely be times when we may not always agree with each other, yet we must forever recognize that so long as ones words, actions or deeds do not harm another, each of us is safe and constitutionally protected to offer our personal opinions and thoughts. Each individual holding either a national or state office has the ultimate responsibility to protect the rights of all the People, including other office holders in the Republic.
It is the perception and understanding of the American People that counts the most as we work together to populate their Republic. Once our individual intent is clearly identified, our words and actions will speak the truth to all concerned. Therefore, I ask that each of us look within our own hearts and souls in order to remain focused on the business at hand...building the Republic for the United States of America.
Respectfully Submitted,
James Scott Cihak, Attorney General