How to get my

[JamesVincent]

While Nordic.Davis.might have been a racist from what I understand he was a patriot most of us could only hope to be. If the stories are true he was well liked and enjoyed many friends in law enforcement and supposedly help to end the Vietnam war( operation rolling thunder).

Sorry but I can't let that one pass. Davis never served in the military that I ever saw. Running a militia does not count as military service. Operation Rolling Thunder was a military campaign through and through. Also if you actually look at the time periods Davis claims to be involved:

In 1972, we originated Operation Rolling Thunder, a private civilian operation designed to militarily close Haiphong Harbor in North Vietnam to prevent the enemy from getting its supplies. As a result of that operation, and the ten day ultimatum Northpoint Teams gave to CINCPAC on April 28, 1972, President Nixon was forced to put a blockage around that harbor on May 8, 1972, to protect the supply lines to the Rockefeller EXXON refinery located there. As a direct result, and our Team Project goal, the Vietnam War had to be cycled down and stopped. Daniel 11:32 and Psalm 144:1 [KJV] I made some awesome enemies, and some grateful friends, in Washington, DC, for that Tactical Project.

Funny, I never heard of that but I have heard of the true Operation Rolling Thunder, an air campaign against North Vietnam that lasted from '65-'68. The operation was halted in '68 by order of the President to get the NVs to the table in Paris and was never restarted. I can tell you one thing for certain, the military does not recycle operation names, meaning there will never be an Operation Rolling Thunder again in the military.

The mining of Haiphong harbor was carried out under Operation Linebacker I&II. It was not to protect anything, the entire harbor was sealed and nothing got in or out. Sorry, even though start date of Linebacker was 8 May 1972 it's original conception and order by Nixon was on 4 April 1972, a full 24 days before Davis claimed to have started his push. Nixon took a lot of flack with the advent of Linebacker since his foreign policy advisers were more worried about the effect on the SALT talks.

[JamesVincent]

Yeah, except that is not the case with ponsford. If you go to usa the republic website under the iris link, it has his letter to the iris as well as a per from the iris releasing a 30 year lien for over 1 million dollars.

Now why would they not try to take his stuff or throw him in jail?

Do you have to owe more then a million bucks or something?

Link and cite?

[Patriotdiscussions]

While Nordic.Davis.might have been a racist from what I understand he was a patriot most of us could only hope to be. If the stories are true he was well liked and enjoyed many friends in law enforcement and supposedly help to end the Vietnam war( operation rolling thunder).

Sorry but I can't let that one pass. Davis never served in the military that I ever saw. Running a militia does not count as military service. Operation Rolling Thunder was a military campaign through and through. Also if you actually look at the time periods Davis claims to be involved:

In 1972, we originated Operation Rolling Thunder, a private civilian operation designed to militarily close Haiphong Harbor in North Vietnam to prevent the enemy from getting its supplies. As a result of that operation, and the ten day ultimatum Northpoint Teams gave to CINCPAC on April 28, 1972, President Nixon was forced to put a blockage around that harbor on May 8, 1972, to protect the supply lines to the Rockefeller EXXON refinery located there. As a direct result, and our Team Project goal, the Vietnam War had to be cycled down and stopped. Daniel 11:32 and Psalm 144:1 [KJV] I made some awesome enemies, and some grateful friends, in Washington, DC, for that Tactical Project.

Funny, I never heard of that but I have heard of the true Operation Rolling Thunder, an air campaign against North Vietnam that lasted from '65-'68. The operation was halted in '68 by order of the President to get the NVs to the table in Paris and was never restarted. I can tell you one thing for certain, the military does not recycle operation names, meaning there will never be an Operation Rolling Thunder again in the military.

The mining of Haiphong harbor was carried out under Operation Linebacker I&II. It was not to protect anything, the entire harbor was sealed and nothing got in or out. Sorry, even though start date of Linebacker was 8 May 1972 it's original conception and order by Nixon was on 4 April 1972, a full 24 days before Davis claimed to have started his push. Nixon took a lot of flack with the advent of Linebacker since his foreign policy advisers were more worried about the effect on the SALT talks.

Perhaps a little more reading? Also the north point teams were civvies and not armed forces so they could name it whatever they wanted, there is supposed to be a book about it. He makes some pretty big claims that are easy enough to check out.



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In 1972, we originated Operation Rolling Thunder, a private civilian operation designed to militarily close Haiphong Harbor in North Vietnam to prevent the enemy from getting its supplies. As a result of that- operation, and the ten day ultimatum Northpoint Teams gave to CINCPAC on April 28, 1972, President Nixon was forced to put a blockage around that harbor on May 8, 1972, to protect the supply lines to the Rockefeller EXXON refinery located there. As a direct result, and our Team Project goal, the Vietnam War had to be cycled down and stopped. Daniel 11:32 and Psalm 144:1 [KJV] I made some awesome enemies, and some grateful friends, in Washington, DC, for that Tactical Project.

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[Patriotdiscussions]

Yeah, except that is not the case with ponsford. If you go to usa the republic website under the iris link, it has his letter to the iris as well as a per from the iris releasing a 30 year lien for over 1 million dollars.

Now why would they not try to take his stuff or throw him in jail?

Do you have to owe more then a million bucks or something?

Link and cite?

Go to USA the republic website

Go down to irs link

Go down to ponfords letter and irs lien PDF

Should be no problem.

[Patriotdiscussions]

Whatever may constitute income, therefore, must have the essential feature of gain to the recipient. This was true when the sixteenth amendment became effective, it was true at the time of the decision in Eisner v. McComber, supra, it was true under section 22(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1939, and it is likewise true under section 61 (a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954.


If there is no gain, there is no income.


This is from Connor


Tell me please..... What is GAIN?




Accountants and economists may differ greatly as to what is or is not income. It is not, however, their theories that have guided the courts throughout the years. Instead, the courts have chosen to use the meaning given the term "income" by its everyday use in common speech. Helvering v. Edison Bros. 1191*1191 Stores, 133 F.2d 575 (8th Cir. 1943); 1 Mertens, supra, n. 5, p. 2. And the meaning of income in its everyday sense is "a gain or recurrent benefit usually measured in money that derives from capital or labor; also: the amount of such gain recovered by an individual in a given period of time." Webster's Seventh New Collegiate Dictionary, p. 425 (1965—Emphasis Added). Income is nothing more nor less than realized gain. Shuster v. Helvering, 121 F.2d 643 (2nd Cir. 1941). It is not synonymous with receipts. 47 C.J.S. Internal Revenue § 98, p. 226.


There is that gain word again, what about derives, what does that word mean?

I found this for gains

What is GAIN?

Profits; winnings; increment of value. Gray v. Darlington, 15 Wall. 65, 21L. Ed. 45; Thorn v. De Breteuil, SO App. Div. 405, 83 N. Y. Supp. 840.


So I looked up profits




Most commonly, the gross proceeds of a business transaction less the costs of the transaction; i.e., net proceeds. Excess of revenues over expenses for a transaction; sometimes used synonymously with net income for the period. Gain realized from business or investment over and above expenditures.



I can not see wages being gains or profits, am I missing something here.

[chronistra]

Profits; winnings; increment of value.

You have $100 on hand, your employer hands you your paycheck for $1000, and now you have $1100 on hand. The sum of money in your pocket incremented upward in value. You have gained money, and that equals income. QED

You are trying to read the definition as profits AND winnings AND increment of value, that something must meet all three parts, but the correct conjunction is OR. Profits OR winnings OR other increments of value = gain.

You go to the casino and win: you have winnings, which equal gains, which equals income. Your business does well: you have profits, which equal gains, which equals income. You get paid for your labor: you have incremented value, which equal gains, which equals income.

[Patriotdiscussions]

Profits; winnings; increment of value.

You have $100 on hand, your employer hands you your paycheck for $1000, and now you have $1100 on hand. The sum of money in your pocket incremented upward in value. You have gained money, and that equals income. QED

You are trying to read the definition as profits AND winnings AND increment of value, that something must meet all three parts, but the correct conjunction is OR. Profits OR winnings OR other increments of value = gain.

no I am reading it as or not and. Profits my wages are not, winnings my wages are not, the only possible thing could be increment of value, I will post that definition soon. Notice they say income is Derived from capital or labor? What is the derived part mean?

You go to the casino and win: you have winnings, which equal gains, which equals income. Your business does well: you have profits, which equal gains, which equals income. You get paid for your labor: you have incremented value, which equal gains, which equals income.

Here is the definition of increment


1.
something added or gained; addition; increase.

2.
profit; gain.

So if I have five bucks and invest it and make ten bucks, the ten bucks would be an increment of value, the five bucks being the source not the increment correct.

This is what they mean by gain derived from capital no?

A gain derived from labor would be me paying someone 10 bucks to mow my friends yard, and I charge my friend 20 bucks, the 10 dollar profit would be a gain derived from labor correct or would the whole 20 be taxed?

[Patriotdiscussions]

Profits; winnings; increment of value.

You have $100 on hand, your employer hands you your paycheck for $1000, and now you have $1100 on hand. The sum of money in your pocket incremented upward in value. You have gained money, and that equals income. QED

You are trying to read the definition as profits AND winnings AND increment of value, that something must meet all three parts, but the correct conjunction is OR. Profits OR winnings OR other increments of value = gain.

You go to the casino and win: you have winnings, which equal gains, which equals income. Your business does well: you have profits, which equal gains, which equals income. You get paid for your labor: you have incremented value, which equal gains, which equals income.

If we were to trade two cars being the same value, do I experience gain? Is my labor given for free making everything a profit? In order to work I have to have certain things, like a ride,food,clothing and schooling correct?

So my labor is not free, a robots labor is free but mine is not, my labor is equal in value to the wage I am receiving is it not?

[Patriotdiscussions]

Is his an accurate quote from so pacific v Lowe?


"... `income' as used in the statute should be given a meaning so as not to include everything that comes in, the true function of the words `gains' and `profits' is to limit the meaning of the word `income'"


Staples v US

"Income within the meaning of the 16th Amendment and the Revenue Act means, gain ... and in such connection gain means profit ... proceeding from property severed from capital, however invested or employed and coming in, received or drawn by the taxpayer for his separate use, benefit and disposal"

What does severed from capital mean?

Sever definition


1.
to separate (a part) from the whole, as by cutting or the like.


Capital definition

Investopedia explains 'Capital'

Capital is different from money. Money is used simply to purchase goods and services for consumption. Capital is more durable and is used to generate wealth through investment. Examples of capital include automobiles, patents, software and brand names. All of these things are inputs that can be used to create wealth. Besides being used in production, capital can be rented out for a monthly or annual fee to create wealth.

Capital itself does not exist until it is produced. Then, to create wealth, capital must be combined with labor, the work of individuals who exchange their time and skills for money. When people invest in capital by foregoing current consumption, they can enjoy greater future prosperity.

Capital has value because of property rights. Individuals or companies can claim ownership to their capital and use it as they please. They can also transfer ownership of their capital to another individual or corporation and keep the sale proceeds. Government regulations limit how capital can be used and diminish its value; the tradeoff is supposed to be some benefit to society. For example, when you sell a stock that has increased in value since you purchased it, you must pay tax on the capital gains. Those taxes are used for public purposes, such as national defense.

[Patriotdiscussions]

I have to go to work so I do not have time to review these cases, I am sure you will tell me if they are false.

In the case of Lucas v. Earl, [1930] 281 U.S. 111, the U.S. Supreme Court stated unambiguously that:

"The claim that salaries, wages and compensation for personal services are to be taxed as an entirety and therefore must be returned by the individual who has performed the services which produced the gain is without support either in the language of the Act or in the decisions of the courts construing it. Not only this, but it is directly opposed to provisions of the Act and to regulations of the U.S. Treasury Dept. which either prescribe or permit that compensation for personal services be not taxed as an entirety and be not returned by the individual performing the services. It is to be noted that by the language of the Act it is not salaries, wages or compensation for personal services that are to be included in gross income. That which is to be included is gains, profits and income DERIVED from salaries, wages or compensation for personal service." [Emphasis added]


And


Oliver v halstead 196 va 992

"There is a clear distinction between profit and wages or compensation for labor. Compensation for labor cannot be regarded as profit within the meaning of the law."

[Patriotdiscussions]

Found the Oliver one

https://www.courtlistener.com/va/8bDj/o ... -halstead/


The other one just comes up as a brief, does anyone have link to full case?

[Pottapaug1938]

So my labor is not free, a robots labor is free but mine is not, my labor is equal in value to the wage I am receiving is it not?

So much verbose word salad; so little time to respond, so I'll confine myself to this: if you get paid X dollars to mow a lawn, what is your cost basis for your labor -- in other words, how much did you pay for your labor? Of course, you paid no one else for it; so the entire $10 is taxable, barring any deductions you may have for gasoline and for wear and tear on your lawn mower.

[wserra]

I was going to respond this morning to Patriotdiscussions' question about the Tweel Court's use of the phrase "moral duty", something I found somewhat strange in a USCA opinion. So I run across this:

I have to go to work so I do not have time to review these cases, I am sure you will tell me if they are false.

I'm sorry, but I do not see our purpose here as to clean up after your lazy/dishonest ass. Moreover, in the last 36 hours you've hopped from topic to topic like a kangaroo on meth, trailing fake "quotes" at every turn. In hindsight, I was wrong not to leave this thread locked, and now remedy the error. Moreover, continue like this and you will find yourself moderated.

And I don't give a damn about how you might whine elsewhere concerning your treatment here.

[LPC]

Yes, I know that the topic is locked, but I wanted to add one last comment, which is that most (or all) of the cases that PD most recently cited but did not "have time to review" are cited (and debunked) in the Tax Protestor FAQ, to which PD has been directed several times.

So, there are responses to the cases that PD cited, but as Wes says, it is not "our purpose here ... to clean up after your lazy/dishonest ass."