Kent Hovind Since Sept 2013

[Paths of the Sea]

Gordon Jones (Hovind Apologist)
https://www.facebook.com/gordon.jones.75033149

v.

Robert Baty (Hovind Critic)
https://www.facebook.com/robert.baty.1

Subject: Kent Hovind & Structuring

Venue: Ernie Land's Hovind Legal Fund Website
URL: http://www.youcaring.com/other/kent-hov ... und/261659

(1)

From: Gordon Jones
Date: Friday, December 19, 2014
Time: About 11:00 AM MT

(excerpts)

I had some contact with a man who attended the trial, who is an expert in the related laws.

He said that Hovind was railroaded.

And based upon everything else I read, I agree.

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From: Robert Baty
Date: Friday, December 19, 2014
Time: About 11:30 AM MT

Please, enough of such games already!

Really, some alleged, anonymous expert in the related laws who was at the trial says Kent was railroaded!

That's pretty worthless as a claim.
I claim Kent was not railroaded.

My invitation remains outstanding if you ever get a Hovind apologist to come out and have an open, honest discussion of just one aspect of Kent's case, one that is near and dear to Kent and one that, I propose, he and his people commonly misrepresent.

THE KENT HOVIND CHALLENGE - STILL UNANSWERED!

Proposition for Discussion

Withdrawing less than $10,000 in a single transaction
with the intent to evade bank reporting requirements
is a violation of the law and regulations and was at
the time of the Hovind withdrawals in question and
was the legal standard used to convict Kent Hovind
of “structuring”.

Robert Baty - Affirm

Kent Hovind - Deny

(Kent Hovind Apologist to be Named): Deny

See:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kent-Hov ... 8739517135

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[Samphire]

Robert,

It would be helpful if these goons would read the trial transcript before commenting when they would see for themselves just how carefully the judge dealt both with the legal issues and the evidence.

[Paths of the Sea]

It would be helpful if these goons would read the
trial transcript before commenting when they would
see for themselves just how carefully the judge dealt
both with the legal issues and the evidence.

I'm thinking that is one reason why Kent has not published his trial transcript.

Sincerely,
Maury Enthusiast!

[notorial dissent]

Kent doesn't want reasoned sympathy since it will all go wrong for him, he wants blind sycophantry and solace.

[Paths of the Sea]

Action Today On Hansen's Side of the Case!

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Full docket text:

ACTION REQUIRED BY DISTRICT JUDGE:

Chambers of CHIEF JUDGE M CASEY RODGERS notified that action is needed Re: [43] MOTION to Compel Major Case Fingerprints (Opposed) filed by Plaintiff USA (sps)

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Filed December 23, 2014

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR
THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA
PENSACOLA DIVISION

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

v. CASE NO. 3:14cr91/MCR

PAUL JOHN HANSEN

GOVERNMENT’S MOTION TO COMPEL MAJOR CASE FINGERPRINTS

(excerpts)

COMES NOW the United States of America and files this Motion to Compel Major Case Fingerprints from defendant Paul John Hansen, and as grounds for the request states:

On August 19, 2014, defendant PAUL JOHN HANSEN failed to appear before the Grand Jury.

The Grand Jury’s Subpoena Duces Tecum for which Hansen failed to comply directed Hansen to appear and provide handwriting samples and major case fingerprints.

Nonetheless, during the course of the investigation, the government obtained copies of Hansen’s fingerprints from Hansen’s National Criminal Investigative Center (“NCIC”) also known as a criminal history.

The fingerprints had been obtained from Hansen on a prior occasion during Hansen’s arrest in an unrelated case.

Hansen’s fingerprints maintained by the FBI as a part of Hansen’s NCIC were utilized as fingerprint standards for Hansen by the government and were then compared to fingerprints recovered from documents mailed to the title agent handling the real estate closings for the United States.

A fingerprint specialist, using the fingerprint standards, determined that Hansen’s fingerprints were found on the document(s) mailed to the title agent.

At trial, the government anticipates calling the fingerprint specialist to prove that Hansen’s fingerprints were on the document(s) mailed to the title agent.

Because of the manner in which Hansen’s fingerprint standards were originally obtained (from Hansen’s NCIC for Hansen’s arrest on prior unrelated charges in Nebraska), the government asks this Court to enter an Order compelling Hansen to provide major case fingerprints to the government’s agents in this case so said fingerprints can be provided to the fingerprint specialist.

The fingerprint specialist will then use the major case fingerprints provided pursuant to an Order of this Court as Hansen’s fingerprint standards and compare those to the fingerprints recovered on the document(s) mailed to the title agent.

Ordering Hansen to provide major case fingerprints will serve two purposes.

First, it will prevent the jury from needlessly hearing that Hansen had been arrested on a prior occasion for unrelated offenses in Nebraska.

Second, it will prevent the United States from needlessly causing witnesses to travel from the location of Hansen’s prior arrest merely to authenticate Hansen’s fingerprint standards.

MEMORANDUM OF LAW

The government submits that it is constitutional and appropriate to compel a defendant to provide physical evidence, such as handwriting exemplars, fingerprints, and blood if such evidence is relevant.

The Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination provides, “No person ... shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.”

“The word ‘witness’ in the constitutional text limits the relevant category of compelled incriminating communications to those that are ‘testimonial’ in character.”

Courts have reasoned that personal physical evidence is not “testimonial” and, thus, not protected by the privilege.

As detailed above, Hansen’s fingerprints are relevant to the case now pending before the Court.

Therefore, the United States asks this Court to enter an Order compelling Hansen to provide major case fingerprints to the government’s agents in this case so said fingerprints can be provided to the fingerprint specialist.

WHEREFORE, the undersigned Assistant United States Attorney files this motion with the Court.

Respectfully submitted,
PAMELA C. MARSH
United States Attorney
/s/ Tiffany H. Eggers
TIFFANY H. EGGERS
Assistant United States Attorney

RULE 7.1(B) CERTIFICATE

I HEREBY CERTIFY that the undersigned consulted Christopher Klotz, “standby counsel” for defendant Paul John Hansen, and Mr. Klotz indicated the defendant OBJECTS to the government’s motion.

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[Samphire]

I HEREBY CERTIFY that the undersigned consulted Christopher Klotz, “standby counsel” for defendant Paul John Hansen, and Mr. Klotz indicated the defendant OBJECTS to the government’s motion.

As the government seems to be bending over backwards to ensure Hansen's defence is not prejudiced by his previous criminal conviction does any Quatloosian have any idea why Hansen would object to the motion?

[wserra]

why Hansen would

Dividing by zero.

[darling]

As the government seems to be bending over backwards to ensure Hansen's defence is not prejudiced by his previous criminal conviction does any Quatloosian have any idea why Hansen would object to the motion?

I imagine Hansen is still of the mind that the government has no jurisdiction over him and, that being the case, they have no authority to make any request of him.

[Pottapaug1938]

One of my favorite bits of sovrun courtroom idiocy is the part about how, when the judge asks you "do you understand?", you are NOT supposed to give any affirmative answer. If you do, you "stand under" the court's jurisdiction, and have thus entered into a contract with the court in which you agree to accept their decisions.

[fortinbras]

With regard to the latest document: Fingerprints, and other physical facts (such as birthday, name, tattoos, DNA), are NOT considered testimonial and therefore do not raise a Fifth Amendment issue of self-incrimination. There is no hope that the court will not order him to comply with fingerprinting.

[.]

Perhaps he has an ink allergy.

[LPC]

why Hansen would

Dividing by zero.

Yes, as the rationality of the defendant approaches zero, the probability of conviction approaches infinity.

[The Observer]

...[A]s the rationality of the defendant approaches zero, the probability of conviction approaches infinity.

Hmmm, scientific history has been made here at Quatloos. LPC has just formulated the First Law of Tax Denier Thermodynamics.

[Paths of the Sea]

Here's something some here might want to consider and offer an opinion of.

Kent's Canadian girlfriend has posted a 26 page document available for download via her website at:

http://www.clubcreation.org/

If you scroll down that page a bit you can find a download feature for what is entitled:

mandatory_judicial_notice_for_kent.doc

I haven't made my way through it, but it looks interesting if you in to the ways of Kent Hovind. We will have to wait and see if Kent actually filed that with the Court.

It starts out with:

AT THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

FOR THE DISTRICT OF FLORIDA PENSACOLA DIVISION

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Plaintiff,

v.

Kent E Hovind

CASE NO. 3:14cr91/MCR

NOTICE ENTRY OF APPEARANCE
AS A THIRD PARTY OF INTEREST

MANDITORY JUDICIAL NOTICE

NOTICE OF WITHDRAW OF CONSENT

AFFIDAVIT OF TRUTH

I DO NOT ACCEPT THIS OFFER TO CONTRACT
I DO NOT CONSENT TO THESE PROCEEDINGS

RESCIND FOR CAUSE
MANDATORY JUDICIAL NOTICE

NOTICE OF INDEMNIFICATION CONTRACT WITH UNITED STATES

HABEAS CORPUS

WRIT OF MANDAMUS

Notice and Counterclaim

COMES NOW, Affiant, Kent E Hovind, a man, one of the people of the Republic of the united common law states, not a party to any Federal Enclave, with an Notice Entry of Appearance as a third party of interest on this court of record on and for the private...

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[Paths of the Sea]

I just ran across this indicating Kent is following Trussell's gimmick:

http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/ ... ppearance/

Sincerely,
Maury Enthusiast!

[notorial dissent]

Sounds like Kent is trying to go all socivt stupid courtesy of his good buddy Hansen. Not that any of it will ever see the light of day, as long as he has legal counsel, the court will insist all filing come from/through him, and no real lawyer, at least on wanting to continue to be one, would file any of that stuff. Kent is in deep denial at this point, or his "girlfriend" is channeling him..

I suspect they'd make good reading of the utterly silly variety, maybe we'll get to at some point.

[LPC]

NOTICE ENTRY OF APPEARANCE
AS A THIRD PARTY OF INTEREST

MANDITORY JUDICIAL NOTICE

NOTICE OF WITHDRAW OF CONSENT

AFFIDAVIT OF TRUTH

I DO NOT ACCEPT THIS OFFER TO CONTRACT
I DO NOT CONSENT TO THESE PROCEEDINGS

RESCIND FOR CAUSE
MANDATORY JUDICIAL NOTICE

NOTICE OF INDEMNIFICATION CONTRACT WITH UNITED STATES

HABEAS CORPUS

WRIT OF MANDAMUS

Notice and Counterclaim

Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's take all of the sovcrap and throw it all against the wall at once! Something has got to stick!

[Pottapaug1938]

NOTICE ENTRY OF APPEARANCE
AS A THIRD PARTY OF INTEREST

MANDITORY JUDICIAL NOTICE

NOTICE OF WITHDRAW OF CONSENT

AFFIDAVIT OF TRUTH

I DO NOT ACCEPT THIS OFFER TO CONTRACT
I DO NOT CONSENT TO THESE PROCEEDINGS

RESCIND FOR CAUSE
MANDATORY JUDICIAL NOTICE

NOTICE OF INDEMNIFICATION CONTRACT WITH UNITED STATES

HABEAS CORPUS

WRIT OF MANDAMUS

Notice and Counterclaim

Hey, I've got a great idea! Let's take all of the sovcrap and throw it all against the wall at once! Something has got to stick!

He forgot "without recourse", "nunc pro tunc" and "pretera preterea", so he will surely fail....

[darling]

I just got to the part about the “Bailor/Naked Owner of Kent E Hovind”

Is it too much to hope for that the Kent's Naked Owner is a hot college co-ed?

[Famspear]

I just got to the part about the “Bailor/Naked Owner of Kent E Hovind”

Is it too much to hope for that the Kent's Naked Owner is a hot college co-ed?

Doctor Dino's naked owner is a female triceratops.

Not much to look at. (Unless you're a male triceratops -- in which case: "wuff! wuff!")

Sorry.