Dean Clifford - A Tale of Two Gurus

Jeffrey · Post by **Jeffrey** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:48 pm

He probably responds with something like "are you referring to the living, breathing, sentient, flesh-and-blood natural freeman on the land, or are you addressing the Corporate Fiction Strawman?"

Of course the question for Dean should be, why would Judges be referring to the "strawman" or "fiction" when they don't believe it exists.

Hyrion · Post by **Hyrion** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:47 pm

Pottapaug1938 wrote:"are you referring to the living, breathing, sentient, flesh-and-blood natural freeman on the land, or are you addressing the Corporate Fiction Strawman?"

"But Dean.... I wasn't talking to either you or your strawman that you represent... I was talking to dEaN.... please don't interrupt a conversation you're not part of"

Ok... I'm bad... I have a tendency to take absurd positions and run with them till their "owner" realizes just how absurd they are. Of course... there's always the possibility the "owner" simply doesn't want to bring their crazy to me anymore because they don't like my responses

Post by **ArthurWankspittle** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:19 pm

Pottapaug1938 wrote:He probably responds with something like "are you referring to the living, breathing, sentient, flesh-and-blood natural freeman on the land, or are you addressing the Corporate Fiction Strawman?"

Whichever one is going to serve the jail sentence.

Hyrion · Post by **Hyrion** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:49 pm

Judge: Whichever one is going to serve the jail sentence, and make no mistake, whichever one you choose is permanently, irrevocably attached to that physical form. So if jail time is the findings, that physical form will be serving the time.

Post by **Burnaby49** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:09 pm

Fmotlgroupie wrote:I think Dean has been unintentionally honest:
(From Document 36):

6. At all times I . . . serve my own posterity and [way TMI] come from a position of posterity. . . My entire life and all my property is pledged to my own posterity and no one else's.
Aside from consistently misspelling posterior it's pretty spot on!

Thank Burnaby for a great document dump!

Jeffrey · Post by **Jeffrey** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:07 pm

This is great stuff man, thank you so much for the work.

Document #9
http://www.mediafire.com/view/oj4dz9ua7 ... c%2009.pdf

This one right here is the gold mine. As we suspected, November 5th, 2013 they enter Dean Clifford's house with a Feeny warrant. A feeny warrant of course allows them to enter the house, contrary to Dean's original claims that the warrant did not allow them to enter the house. There they found Dean's roommate, while searching for Dean inside the house they found drugs and guns. His roommate said that the guns and drugs belonged to Dean, roommate is arrested, roommate gives statement on video saying the guns and drugs belonged to Dean.

So basically what we suspected happened is now confirmed. The document also states that they found some type of freeman document where Dean was offering to buy the house, which suggests he didn't own the house.

arayder · Post by **arayder** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:09 pm

As we figured Dean lied to the freeman community about most of the facts behind his court related activities since April 2013.

Most of the lies had been pieced together owning to the fact that Dean couldn't keep his stories straight. But now we have proof that Dean pretty much lied straight through the whole course of events, from top to bottom.

The interesting thing is that he could have told the truth and still kept his freeman street cred intact.

He could have said the court didn't have jurisdiction over him regarding his August 2013 hearings and that he was not going to attend the hearing. Instead he said he had forced the court to drop the charges.

Citing freeman theory he could have said the arrest warrant issued on him in November 2013 were not valid. Instead he said there was no at all warrant for his arrest.

He lied about the search warrant on his house and he lied about his arsenal of guns, saying he had only two old heirloom guns. Dean could have stuck to the freeman playbook and said the cops had no authority to search his house and that he has every right to own whatever and as many guns as he pleases.

Instead, at every turn, Dean concocted a series of lies to make it seem he was the victim of an out of control totalitarian police state.

Clifford even went so far as to tell his followers that he had the Manitoba courts shaking in their boots and ready to release him!

The truth is Dean brought all of his on himself. He assaulted the cops when he didn't need to. He skipped his court hearing. Then, just so the cops would know exactly where to find him he announced he'd be giving a seminar in Hamilton. He announced his grow op on web radio and challenged the government to try to bust him. Then, making sure he'd fit the profile of an armed drug dealer left a semi-auto rifle, a pocket pistol and several boxes of ammo laying out at his house while he was away giving the seminar! Dean could have buried the SKS and the .25 and kept the shotgun locked up, that way at least reducing the firearm charges to having an unregistered hunting shotgun.

For icing on the cake Dean threatened a court cop and all cops, in general, during a monitored jail house phone call. Then he put a cherry on top by putting a tape of the conversation on his web site!

Dang, this boy's a mess!

Post by **notorial dissent** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:59 pm

Dean is a dumb with dumb on dumb sandwich.

At this point, he is going to end up spending more time in jail waiting to go to trial than he probably would have spent in jail if he'd just behaved himself.

That is just taking the dumb and stupid to extra-ordinary lengths.

Hanslune · Post by **Hanslune** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 7:11 am

No, no DEAN will soon launched his devastating counter-attack and sweep all before him.

I'm sure he's preparing his victory speech as I write this.......

PUHLEEZE let me go, pretty please?

Jeffrey · Post by **Jeffrey** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:11 pm

Figured I'd bump with this:

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-30941647

But on Thursday, Maclean's magazine published "Welcome to Winnipeg: Where Canada's racism problem is at its worst."

Post by **Burnaby49** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:44 am

Dean gets acquitted! Innocent of two counts of uttering threats to police officials. I'm guessing a written decision will follow so we'll be able to figure out why. I'd like to find out what this comment meant;

The Crown missed the point — literally — says a judge who acquitted a man who was accused of threatening a sheriff and police.

http://www.brandonsun.com/local/judge-t ... html?thx=y

bmxninja357 · Post by **bmxninja357** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:57 am

and now my magical 99 cent subscription pays off again.....

Judge tosses uttering threats case

By: Ian Hitchen

Saturday, Jan. 31, 2015 | Comments: 0

The Crown missed the point — literally — says a judge who acquitted a man who was accused of threatening a sheriff and police.

In Brandon provincial court on Friday, Dean Christopher David Clifford was found not guilty of two counts of uttering threats.

At trial, Crown attorney Deidre Badcock acknowledged that she didn’t ask her witnesses to point to Clifford, who sat in court in the prisoner’s box.

Therefore, Judge Jean McBride said, it wasn’t proven that Clifford was the person heard making threats in recorded phone calls.

“The central issue in the case against Mr. Clifford is identity,” McBride said.

“It was incumbent on the Crown to prove this element of the offence … the Crown has not met their burden. Identification having not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, I must acquit the accused.”

Media reports, and at least one interview posted on Clifford’s own website, refer to him as a “Freeman on the Land.”

Courts consider that movement part of a group of “vexatious” Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Argument litigants.

However, Clifford’s wife says he doesn’t claim to be a Freeman on the Land, a name she described as a label imposed on people by others.

Clifford describes himself as part of a law movement and speaks in favour of common law, or natural law, and his website includes video from a number of seminars.

The threat allegations stemmed from a pair of recorded phone calls placed from an inmate at the Brandon jail on May 27 and June 18, 2014.

Those recordings were played at Clifford’s trial in December.

In the first, an inmate says he’s upset because a Brandon sheriff had previously poked his wife and told her to get up when she wouldn’t stand for the judge who entered court, which is custom.

He then threatens to assault the sheriff if he ever sees him on the street.

In the second call, the inmate made comments which the Crown alleged to have been a threat to police officers in general.

Clifford, who wasn’t represented by a lawyer, didn’t cross-examine any witnesses and didn’t call evidence.

It was McBride — who reserved her decision and delivered her verdict on Friday — who identified a fatal weakness in the Crown’s case.

She noted none of Badcock’s witnesses pointed to the accused in the prisoner’s dock as the person who made the threats.

Badcock had previously said that a testifying police officer had gestured toward Clifford as he described his arrest at the Brandon jail.

However, McBride said she didn’t see any gesture by the officer. Even if the officer had identified Clifford in court, it wouldn’t have established that the accused was the inmate heard in the calls.

A jail staff member who’d listened to hundreds of phone calls she believed to be those of Clifford identified the recorded voice as his.

But McBride said there was no evidence that witness had watched Clifford as he made phone calls, so she wouldn’t be able to identify him in court.

The sheriff who was allegedly threatened and another witness who were present for the incident said to have sparked the threat against the sheriff — the courtroom poking of the wife on May 12 — said Clifford was in court at that time.

McBride was satisfied that that was the incident referred to in the recorded call in which the sheriff was threatened.

But, again, McBride said, neither witness indicated that the Clifford they testified to being in court during the reported poke was the same man on trial.

Despite Friday’s not guilty verdict, Clifford remains in custody while pending on charges from another Manitoba jurisdiction.

and the next update will say something to the effect of they could not prove dean was a person; not they could not prove dean was the person on the phone. just my prediction. and the crown and witnesses must have been powerful weak. anyone with half a brain could have proved this.

but again, it was not a win due to any extra legal defense. it was a win on its merits and the judge taking into account the self represented litigant in this case had an absolute fool for a lawyer.

peace,
ninj

bmxninja357 · Post by **bmxninja357** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:04 am

Burnaby49 wrote: I'd like to find out what this comment meant;

The Crown missed the point — literally — says a judge who acquitted a man who was accused of threatening a sheriff and police.

the crown never asked the witness to correctly identify sir deaner of the clifford klan as the person speaking on the phone at the time of the alleged threats. im also guessing the youtube vids and updates were not admitted into evidence. the crown failed to literally have the witness point to the correct disheveled rage filled inmate. a slight technicality that lead to an ambiguity and thusly an acquittal; or something like that.

peace,
ninj

Post by **Burnaby49** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:17 am

That's how I understood it too after reviewing your 99¢ contribution. Thanks.

arayder · Post by **arayder** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:06 pm

Standard operating procedure (SOP) in the freeman/sov community at this point is to argue that the judge manufactured a technicality upon which to exonerate Dean so that the court would not be forced to recognize the truth of freeman legal theory.

SOP also calls for Clifford cult members to ignore the reality that Dean's still on the hook for firearms, grow-op, bail jumping and assault charges.

Jeffrey · Post by **Jeffrey** » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:43 pm

Can't believe they screwed up this badly.

And yes, queue the bullsh*t, they couldn't prove Dean Clifford was DEAN CLIFFORD or whatever.

LightinDarkness · Post by **LightinDarkness** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:51 am

I am a bit shocked the Canadian government screwed this up so badly. They know exactly who they are dealing with, and it is clear from their decision to hold Clifford and the array of charges that they are seeking to make an example out of him to other freemen cult members.

That is a wise move I think, but then they completely screw it up by not doing something as elementary as establishing the identity of the person making the threats in a recorded call. Should that not be prosecution 101 in law school? Why would you not have your best people on this who should know better? Even if the person who records the calls wasn't sure it was Clifford's voice, surely the jail has security cameras and they could get the tapes that showed Dean on the phone at the exact time when the threats were uttered?

Mistakes like this backfire, all this will do - as as been pointed out - is have the freemen declare victory. They will claim Clifford prevailed because they could not establish he was the PERSON, and while we know that is wrong none of the true believers will think otherwise. This will only embolden the OCPA idiots in Canada.

By the way, results like this just so clearly show how wrong all the OCPAs are who declare the court system is corrupt. Here Clifford is clearly making threats, who doesn't even have a real attorney and did nothing to defend himself, and he still prevails on a technicality that the judge finds.

Post by **Burnaby49** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:58 am

I am a bit shocked the Canadian government screwed this up so badly. They know exactly who they are dealing with, and it is clear from their decision to hold Clifford and the array of charges that they are seeking to make an example out of him to other freemen cult members.

That is a wise move I think, but then they completely screw it up by not doing something as elementary as establishing the identity of the person making the threats in a recorded call. Should that not be prosecution 101 in law school? Why would you not have your best people on this who should know better? Even if the person who records the calls wasn't sure it was Clifford's voice, surely the jail has security cameras and they could get the tapes that showed Dean on the phone at the exact time when the threats were uttered?

Unfortunately I have to agree. I was astounded when I read the article ninja kindly provided. You don't need "your best people on this" to have a witness identify a suspect. It is absolutely basic. When the various individuals who testified to witnessing Alexander Ream's actions in the Nanaimo Three trial identified him from the stand the Crown Counsel was careful to insist they actually point him out and give his location in the courtroom. The Clifford witnesses might well have failed to convince the judge that they had properly matched the voice they heard to the man in court but they should have at least been able to physically identify Dean as the person they were referring to.

arayder · Post by **arayder** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:29 pm

This reminds me of how Russell Porisky beat the rap during his 2000 tax evasion trial.

Porisky argued that he had not paid his income taxes because as a "natural person" he was not required to do so. The prosecutor reported that Porisk had not paid his taxes during the year in question but failed to search all the tax records to conclusively demonstrate that Porisky had not paid his taxes during the year in question.

The judge said the crown had not demonstrated that Porisky had not paid his taxes at some obscure office during some time period the tax officials had not checked.

The prosecutor was dumbfound at the ruling and the mistake that prompted it.

The facts didn't stop Porisky from going around claiming his "natural person" argument was a proven winner and that his case set binding precedent. Even though a couple of detaxer debunkers caught Porisky in his lie he kept on telling it.

Russell Porisky was later convicted on another count of tax evasion.

Post by **Burnaby49** » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:04 pm

Steve Bates, a Menard fan (they do exist) released this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlqEENnukx0

I don't expect many production values from these guys but they could at least try. Why use that bland creamy yellow background?

Dean's fans sure don't seem to like us Twatsareloosians very much, and after all my work to provide them with the DeanDocs.

Free Dean Clifford21 hrs

Here's a link without registering ... for those who don't want to go to the nutbag hangout called Quatloos (it should be called twats are loose)

http://www.brandonsun.com/…/judge-tosse ... -threats-c…
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