What to do if you know people who may get duped

Patriotdiscussions · Post by **Patriotdiscussions** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:51 am

Pottapaug1938 wrote:Trying to change the beliefs of a sovrun citizen (or however one might wish to characterize or label them) is like trying to extract a dollar out of a hardened miser. Unless (to borrow a term from the world of alcoholism) a sovrun "hits bottom" and is able to see the depths of his/her mistake, it's much easier to blame the ebil illegitimate worldwide gummint conspiracy for one's "persecutions".

It's not just sovereigns, no can change someone else's beliefs, including the dont question the government crowd.

Post by **Judge Roy Bean** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:29 am

davids wrote:And just to be clear, the persons that I am concerned about don't have "beliefs" that need to be "changed" but are just teetering back and forth between believing what they want to hear and realizing that it's too good to be true ...

I see these people as being on a path to becoming unwitting sycophants of a kind of "Sword in the Stone" homily; the rescue proponents take advantage of them by somehow manufacturing a vision of having been the one to pull the sword that compels the judiciary to rescue the victim masses from the domination of financial tyranny.

Unfortunately, despite any number of heinous criminal acts, there is no sword to be drawn from a stone, but it makes a compelling story for people under duress where no other viable solutions are readily at hand.

Post by **Pottapaug1938** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:00 am

Patriotdiscussions wrote:
Pottapaug1938 wrote:Trying to change the beliefs of a sovrun citizen (or however one might wish to characterize or label them) is like trying to extract a dollar out of a hardened miser. Unless (to borrow a term from the world of alcoholism) a sovrun "hits bottom" and is able to see the depths of his/her mistake, it's much easier to blame the ebil illegitimate worldwide gummint conspiracy for one's "persecutions".

It's not just sovereigns, no can change someone else's beliefs, including the dont question the government crowd.

I'm not certain which group you are talking about. Plenty of us here on Quatloos "question the government", and do so on a regular basis; but we base our questions on the law and legal precedent, not on wackadooster fantasies.

Post by **Gregg** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:45 am

Its what you question and how. On another thread several of the more straight laced lawyers are discussing the validity of a warrant that allowed police to walk into the local sovereign meeting, and start taking cell phones, computers and requiring everyone to show ID...even though the people in question were attending a meeting you most assuredly think we would mock (ok, I would, but I can only speak for myself). You see, its perfectly rational for one with a lot of legal training to question the validity of such a sweeping warrant, but quite another to question the validity of the Court and the Judge who issued it.

Patriotdiscussions · Post by **Patriotdiscussions** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:48 pm