Taxes on income, are of course, an excise tax.

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Taxes on income, are of course, an excise tax.

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Which statutes control this duty to file income tax returns is subject to some dispute. In Commissioner v. Lane-Wells Co., 321 U.S. 219, 222, 64 S.Ct. 511, 513 (1944), the Court noted that §54 of the 1939 Internal Revenue Code, the predecessor for §6001, related to the filing requirement; see also Updike v. United States, 8 F.2d 913, 915 (8th Cir. 1925). In True v. United States, 354 F.2d 323, 324 (Ct.Cl. 1965), United States v. Carlson, 260 F.Supp. 423, 425 (E.D.N.Y. 1966), White v. Commissioner, 72 U.S.T.C. 1126, 1129 (1979), McCaskill v. Commissioner, 77 U.S.T.C. 689, 698 (1981), Counts v. Commissioner, 774 F.2d 426, 427 (11th Cir. 1985), Blount v. Commissioner, 86 U.S.T.C. 383, 386 (1986), and Beard v. Commissioner, 793 F.2d 139 (6th Cir. 1986), these courts held that §6011 related to the filing requirement. In United States v. Moore, 627 F.2d 830, 834 (7th Cir. 1980), United States v. Dawes, 951 F.2d 1189, 1192, n. 3 (10th Cir. 1991), and United States v. Hicks, 947 F.2d 1356, 1360 (9th Cir. 1991), those courts held that §§ 6011 and 6012 governed this duty. In contrast, Steinbrecher v. Commissioner, 712 F.2d 195, 198 (5th Cir. 1983), United States v. Bartrug, 777 F.Supp. 1290, 1293 (E.D.Va. 1991), United States v. Burdett, 768 F.Supp. 409 (E.D.N.Y. 1991), United States v. Pottorf, 769 F.Supp. 1176, 1183 (D.Kan. 1991), and United States v. Neff, 954 F.2d 698, 699 (11th Cir. 1992), held that only §6012 governed this duty. In United States v. Pilcher, 672 F.2d 875, 877 (11th Cir. 1982), none of the above sections were mentioned and it was held that §7203 required returns to be filed. While there may be a dispute about which statutes require the filing of returns as shown by these cases, some of them do show that §§ 6001 and 6011 do relate to this duty. It is perfectly clear that which statute requires to filing of an income tax return is unclear.

The evidence offered by each of these defendants shows that they believed that the federal income tax is an excise tax which does not apply to them or the other witnesses in this case. In summary, they studied and relied upon applicable state and federal decisional authorities to reach this conclusion, particularly authority within this Circuit. In White Packing Co. v. Robertson, 89 F.2d 775, 779 (4th Cir. 1937), the court declared:

"The tax is, of course, an excise tax, as are all taxes on income..."

This same conclusion was reached in Corn v. Fort, 95 S.W. 2d 620 (Tenn. 1936), and Jack Cole Co. v. MacFarland, 337 S.W.2d 453 (Tenn. 1960), where that court held that the Tennessee income tax applies only to privileges and not to the exercise of the right to make a living. Other courts have also so held; see Sims v. Ahrens, 167 Ark. 557, 271 S.W. 720 (1925); and Redfield v. Fisher, 135 Or. 180, 292 P. 813 (1930). Once these parties determined that the federal income tax was classified as an excise tax, they relied upon the definition of this tax as appears within the leading case on this point, Flint v. Stone Tracy Co., 220 U.S. 107, 31 S.Ct. 342, 349 (1911), which provided the following definition for this tax:

"Excise taxes are those laid upon the manufacture, sale or consumption of commodities within the country, upon licenses to pursue certain occupations, and upon corporate privileges."

Based upon this definition of excise tax, they logically concluded, in conformity with the other cases upon which they relied, that they were not subject to it. Fleschner and Rubel have a right to rely upon these decisions; see United States v. Bishop, 412 U.S. 346, 361 (1973); and United States v. Albertini, 830 F.2d 985 (9th Cir. 1987).

The problem evident here is that the courts of this nation do not speak with unanimity about this point of whether the federal income tax is either an excise or direct tax. For example, in Brushaber v. Union Pacific Railroad Co., 240 U.S. 1, 36 S.Ct. 236 (1915), the Court appears to have declared that the federal income tax is an excise tax, and at least one court has agreed that this case appears to so state; see United States v. Gaumer, 972 F.2d 723 (6th Cir. 1992). However, decisions of the Court following this one indicate that the tax is really a direct tax; see Stanton v. Baltic Mining Co., 240 U.S. 103, 112, 36 S.Ct. 278 (1916); William E. Peck and Co. v. Lowe, 247 U.S. 165, 172, 173, 38 S.Ct. 432 (1918); and Eisner v. Macomber, 252 U.S. 189, 206, 40 S.Ct. 189 (1920).

This split within decisional authorities over this issue is very apparent. In Ficalora v. Commissioner, 751 F.2d 85 (2nd Cir. 1984), that court indicated that the tax was an indirect tax. In Jandorf's Estate v. Commissioner, 171 F.2d 464 (2nd Cir. 1948), that court declared "It should be noted that estate or inheritance taxes are excises ... while surtaxes, excess profits and war-profits taxes are direct property taxes." Yet in the adjoining First and Third Circuits, those courts appear to have labeled this tax as a direct one; see United States v. Turano, 802 F.2d 10 (1st Cir. 1986); and Keasbey & Mattison Co. v. Rothensies, 133 F.2d 894 (3rd Cir. 1943). The Fifth Circuit falls within this same category; see Parker v. Commissioner, 724 F.2d 469, 471 (5th Cir. 1984)("the sixteenth amendment was enacted for the express purpose of providing for a direct income tax"); Jacobs v. Gromatsky, 494 F.2d 513 (5th Cir. 1974); Lonsdale v. Commissioner, 661 F.2d 71 (5th Cir. 1981); and United States v. McCarty, 665 F.2d 596 (5th Cir. 1982). Other cases disclose this uncertainty; see Commissioner v. Obear-Nester Glass Co., 217 F.2d 56, 58 (7th Cir. 1954)("The Amendment allows a tax on 'income' without apportionment, but an unapportioned direct tax on anything that is not income would still, under the rule of the Pollock case, be unconstitutional"); Prescott v. Commissioner, 561 F.2d 1287 (8th Cir. 1977); Funk v. Commissioner, 687 F.2d 264 (8th Cir. 1982); Broughton v. United States, 632 F.2d 707 (8th Cir. 1980); Fairbanks v. Commissioner, 191 F.2d 680 (9th Cir. 1951); United States v. Stillhammer, 706 F.2d 1072 (10th Cir. 1983); and United States v. Lawson, 670 F.2d 923 (10th Cir. 1982). The weight of federal authority is that the federal income tax is a direct tax, but there are exceptions to this rule, most noteably within this Circuit.

At the state level, an opposite situation is apparent. Most state courts hold that an income tax is an excise tax; see State v. Weil, 232 Ala. 578, 168 So. 679 (1936)(state constitutional amendment took income taxes out of the property class and placed them in the excise class); Featherstone v. Norman, 170 Ga. 370, 153 S.E. 58 (1930); Diefendorf v. Gallet, 51 Idaho 619, 10 P.2d 307 (1932); Miles v. Dept. of Treasury, 209 Ind. 172, 199 N.E. 372 (1935); Reynolds Metal Co. v. Martin, 269 Ky. 378, 107 S.W.2d 251 (1937); Oursler v. Tawes, 178 Md. 471, 13 A.2d 763 (1940)(the federal tax is an excise); O'Keefe v. Somerville, 190 Mass. 110, 76 N.E. 457, 458 (1906); Opinion of Justices, 266 Mass. 590, 165 N.E. 904 (1929); Reed v. Bjornson, 191 Minn. 254, 253 N.W. 102 (1934); Lawrence v. Miss. State Tax Comm., 162 Miss. 338, 137 So. 503 (1931); Glagow v. Rowse, 43 Mo. 479 (1869); Ludlow-Saylor Wire Co. v. Wollbrinck, 275 Mo. 339, 205 S.W. 196 (1918); O'Connell v. State Board, 95 Mont. 91, 25 P.2d 114 (1933); Opinion of Justices, 77 N.H. 611, 93 A. 311 (1915); Maxwell v. Kent-Coffey Mfg. Co., 204 N.C. 365, 168 S.E. 397 (1933); Hunton v. Commonwealth, 166 Va. 229, 183 S.E. 873 (1936); and State v. Frear, 148 Wis. 456, 134 N.W. 673 (1912). Others hold the tax is a property tax; see Culliton v. Chase, 174 Wash. 363, 25 P.2d 81 (1933); Jensen v. Henneford, 185 Wash. 209, 53 P.2d 607 (1936); and Bryant v. Comm. of Corps. & Tax'n., 291 Mass. 498, 197 N.E. 509 (1935).

Here, the prosecution asserts that the duty to file federal income tax returns is "clearly known" and when the defendants advised others to not file returns, they committed a crime. But in reply, the defendants have shown that there is a conflict in the decisional authority which makes this claimed duty uncertain.

B. Consequence of uncertainty.

Several cases show that this uncertainty has a direct relationship to the guilt or innocence of these defendants, and the consequence is that this court must grant them judgment in their favor via their pending motion. For example, in United States v. Anzalone, 766 F.2d 676, 681, 682 (1st Cir. 1985), at issue were convictions for violating federal CTR laws and regulations. Here, the defendant demonstrated a serious uncertainty regarding application of those laws to his fact circumstances. In reversing Anzalone's conviction, the court held:

"We are required to conclude that the Reporting Act and its regulations, as they presently read, imposed no duty on appellant to inform the Bank of the 'structured' nature of the transactions here in question. The application of criminal sanctions to appellant for engaging in the activities heretofore described violates the fair warning requirements of the due process clause of the fifth amendment. The charges under Count V should have been dismissed."

A similar rationale was used to reverse a defendant's conviction in United States v. Denemark, 779 F.2d 1559 (11th Cir. 1986).

In United States v. Varbel, 780 F.2d 758, 762 (9th Cir. 1986), some defendants had broken up a large sum of cash and had converted it into cashier's checks by a series of transactions under $10,000. These acts resulted in charges against them for currency structuring. In reversing those convictions, that court stated:

"We conclude that the Reporting Act and its regulations did not impose a duty on appellants to inform the banks involved of the nature of their currency transaction. We believe that the application of criminal sanctions against appellants here would violate due process."

See also United States v. Dela Espriella, 781 F.2d 1432 (9th Cir. 1986), and United States v. Larson, 796 F.2d 244 (8th Cir. 1986).

In United States v. Critzer, 498 F.2d 1160 (4th Cir. 1974), at issue was the validity of the conviction of an Indian for tax evasion. Here, the Bureau of Indian Affairs had informed Critzer that the money she derived from real property located within a reservation was not taxable; Critzer relied upon this advice and failed to report such income. The IRS maintained a contrary position and indicted and convicted her for tax evasion. This conviction was reversed on the grounds that the unsettled nature of this field of law precluded any conviction:

"While the record amply supports the conclusion that the underreporting was intentional, the record also reflects that, concededly, whether defendant's unreported income was taxable is problematical and the government is in dispute with itself as to whether the omitted income was taxable," Id., at 1160.

"We hold that defendant must be exonerated from the charges lodged against her. As a matter of law, defendant cannot be guilty of willfully evading and defeating income taxes on income, the taxability of which is so uncertain that even co-ordinate branches of the United States Government plausibly reach directly opposing conclusions. As a matter of law, the requisite intent to evade and defeat income taxes is missing. The obligation to pay is so problematical that defendant's actual intent is irrelevant. Even if she had consulted the law and sought to guide herself accordingly, she could have had no certainty as to what the law required.

"It is settled that when the law is vague or highly debatable, a defendant- actually or imputedly- lacks the requisite intent to violate it," Id., at 1162.

See also United States v. Mallas, 762 F.2d 361 (4th Cir. 1985)(prosecution for violating an unclear legal duty abridges due process).

Following Critzer was the case of United States v. Garber, 607 F.2d 92, 97-98 (5th Cir. 1979), a tax evasion case involving the question of the taxability of sales of rare blood. Here, Garber had an extremely rare blood type which she sold to various medical firms that paid large sums it. Garber filed returns without reporting these sales and she was prosecuted. At trial, both sides offered evidence regarding various legal theories as to taxability of blood sales, but this evidence was excluded. On appeal, it was held error to exclude that evidence offered by Garber:

"[The trial court] thus completely obscur[ed] from the jury the most important theory of Garber's defense- that she could not have willfully evaded a tax if there existed a reasonable doubt in the law that a tax was due- her trial was rendered fundamentally unfair.

"[T]he unresolved nature of the law is relevant to show that defendant may not have been aware of a tax liability or may have simply made an error in judgment."

Similarly, in United States v. Dahlstrom, 713 F.2d 1423, 1429 (9th Cir. 1983), a case involving foreign trusts, the unsettled nature of the law was admitted into evidence and that court concluded that convictions could not stand for that reason. That court relied upon both Critzer and Garber in holding:

"These appellants were prosecuted in spite of the fact that no statute, regulation or court decision gave fair warning that advocacy of the creation of lawful foreign trust corporations as a tax shelter would result in a criminal prosecution if the challenged transaction might later be held to lack economic substance for purposes of a civil tax proceeding.

"Prosecution for advocacy of a tax shelter program in the absence of any evidence of a specific intent to violate the law is offensive to the first and fifth amendments of the United States Constitution."

See also United States v. Insco, 496 F.2d 204 (5th Cir. 1974), and People v. Dempster, 396 Mich. 700, 242 N.W.2d 381 (1976).

This line of authority became the basis for the decision in United States v. Harris, 942 F.2d 1125 (7th Cir. 1991), a case involving some "ladies of the evening" convicted of tax evasion. Here, a wealthy patron made gifts to these women which the IRS considered as income. But because the question of whether this money was income had never been clearly resolved, their convictions were found to be the product of due process violations and the same were reversed.

Criminal prosecutions are not the arena in which to test for the first time novel propositions of law. Due process mandates that criminal laws be certain, clear and comprehensible to the man on the street, and they cannot be vague, uncertain and unknown; see Kolender v. Lawson, 461 U.S. 352, 103 S.Ct. 1855 (1983). This is even more important when a criminal case is commenced where the critical issue is a premise that the defendant violated a known legal duty. Here, the legal duty to file federal income tax returns is uncertain, due to the split in relevant decisional authority regarding whether this tax is a direct tax or an excise. As a consequence, judgment must be granted in favor of the defendants.

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Re: Taxes on income, are of course, an excise tax.

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Irrespective of all of the above out-of-context, non apposite, and otherwise misinterpreted opinions and decions, one fact remains unarguable.

The 16th amendment enabled a tax on incomes without any reference to direct, indirect, excise or anything else. It simply stated "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration"

Any arguments as to excises or not, direct or indirect are fruitless exercises in pedantry. Every court which has been asked to rule on the legitimacy of the income tax has upheld it.

All of the sock puppets' opinions, citations, and quotations are meaningless. The puppets do not make or interpret the law. Congress makes the laws and the courts interpret and rule on it.

The puppets' opinions are, at best, amusingly futile.
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Micheal360 wrote:Which statutes control this duty to file income tax returns is subject to some dispute.
No, not really. Sure, you can dispute anything. But if you try to argue that the Internal Revenue Code does not impose a duty to file federal income tax returns, you will lose on that point. See IRC 6011 and 6012.
It is perfectly clear that which statute requires to filing of an income tax return is unclear.
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The evidence offered by each of these defendants......
Each of which defendants? What court case?
......shows that they believed that the federal income tax is an excise tax which does not apply to them or the other witnesses in this case. In summary, they studied and relied upon applicable state and federal decisional authorities to reach this conclusion, particularly authority within this Circuit. In White Packing Co. v. Robertson, 89 F.2d 775, 779 (4th Cir. 1937), the court declared....
OK, so "this case" is in the Fourth Circuit, as was the White Packing case. So, what's the citation to "this case"?

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This same conclusion was reached in Corn v. Fort, 95 S.W. 2d 620 (Tenn. 1936), and Jack Cole Co. v. MacFarland, 337 S.W.2d 453 (Tenn. 1960), where that court held that the Tennessee income tax applies only to privileges and not to the exercise of the right to make a living.
Duhhhhh.. Another citation to the Jack Cole case.

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Other courts have also so held; see Sims v. Ahrens, 167 Ark. 557, 271 S.W. 720 (1925); and Redfield v. Fisher, 135 Or. 180, 292 P. 813 (1930)....
More tax protester nonsense. These cases have been discussed over and over. Tax protesters love to cite them. These cases have nothing to do with the arguments the tax protesters are trying to make.

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The problem evident here is that the courts of this nation do not speak with unanimity about this point of whether the federal income tax is either an excise or direct tax.
The problem is that our troll friend refuses to accept that it doesn't matter whether the federal income tax is an excise or a direct tax.
Here, the prosecution asserts that the duty to file federal income tax returns is "clearly known" and when the defendants advised others to not file returns, they committed a crime. But in reply, the defendants have shown that there is a conflict in the decisional authority which makes this claimed duty uncertain.
Where, exactly is "here"? What case is this text supposedly drawn from? Our troll friend seems not to know.

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Several cases show that this uncertainty has a direct relationship to the guilt or innocence of these defendants, and the consequence is that this court must grant them judgment in their favor via their pending motion....
Which defendants? Which court? What case?

Duhhhhhh.......

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Here, the legal duty to file federal income tax returns is uncertain, due to the split in relevant decisional authority regarding whether this tax is a direct tax or an excise. As a consequence, judgment must be granted in favor of the defendants.
Again, where is "here"? What defendants? What court? What case number? What case?

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Wait! Let me guess! Is the troll's verbiage taken from a tax protester web site quoting from a brief filed by or on behalf of a tax protester?

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If so, who are the parties in this case? What court was the case in? What's the case number?

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Could it be.... oh no! Don't tell me.....

Not another work of art from......

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Actually, should say "freedom law dot com." This is a web site of the "Fully Informed Jury Association" -- not to be confused with the Freedom Law School maintained by Peymon Mottahedeh.
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Not every judge is persuaded that the income tax is an excise.

“There is, of course, a fundamental difference between an income tax and an excise tax, both with respect to what is taxed and the source of the power to tax. ... An excise tax ...[is] a charge for the privilege of following an occupation or trade ... is, in consequence, an indirect tax and has no reference to earnings or income ..... An income tax, on the contrary, is a direct tax imposed upon the thing called income, and is as directly imposed as is a tax on land.” US v. Philadelphia, B&W RR Co. (ED Penn 1920) 262 F. 188, 1 AFTR 1123.
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So, Mikey/Jimmy the sockpuppet still doesn't know how to post a cite, we already know he doesn't know how to read them. What he does post is either not in line with what he is claiming, or is a losing proposition altogether. Not a big surprise. Reading comprehensions seems not o be on his to do list, and I am beginning to question his reading since he can't seem to get very far on that either.

Not at all subtle hint to Mikey/Jimmy, all of the stuff you keep digging up, while it may be new to you, is VERY old news to the tax professionals here, as in seen it, read it, studied it, a long time ago, and just because you can't read with comprehension doesn't mean they can't and didn't.

The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.
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But he cuts and pastes with the best of 'em.
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Everyone should have a hobby or a talent, our current sockpuppet is striving valiantly to find one, so far no joy.
The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.
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I really explain the cutting and pasting. This is not my theories nor is my content that I have written. I just put it out there for you geniuses to refute it. I don't have time to go through all these cases, but I have read a few. The ones that I have read, the complaint of has one of the decision. So if you want to manipulate the text and say that I don't know how to read. I don't care! What is it with this sock puppet thing? You must have a collection of the lamb chop series.

You guys have such a strong interest in this, why don't you write your own content. Here is an example.

The Fascinating Truth About The 16th Amendment
The income tax is just an excise; capitations still require apportionment; and you’ve been taken to the cleaners

Introduction

AS THE FIRST AMERICAN IN HISTORY to secure a complete refund of all federal income taxes withheld-- including Social Security and Medicare taxes-- and the author of several books that have led to many tens of thousands of other American men and women getting all THEIR money back year after year since 2003, I imagine I'm the last person from whom you'd expect to hear praises of the income tax. But that's what you're hearing.

The fact is, the income tax is not only a Constitutional tax, it is also a very desirable tax. Applied in strict adherence to its statutory design, the income tax is benignly-limited in scope. It is also a fit mechanism by which those who make money from the exploitation of public resources return to the common purse a portion of their private profits.
http://losthorizons.com/Documents/The16th.htm

See how nice that material is written? See how it is specifically to the points it is stressing? See how clean and understandable It is. Do your own peace and post it, I would love to read it.
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There is only one fact that matters. In over 100 years, through thousands of court cases heard before hundreds of judges of every political persuasion, no person has ever been able to convince a single judge or jury in the United States that they didn't owe income tax. Never. No matter what they argued. No matter how many cites, documents, clear or unclear....never. Is there something confusing about never? It doesn't matter at all if you convince us at all. Until you convince a court, all your statements are simply blather. Good luck with that. You are going to need it. Especially considering all your arguments have not only lost but have been found to be frivolous thereby risking additional penalties. Refute that if you can.

P.S. As an additional fun fact, perhaps you would be interested to know that the author of that Lost Horizons tripe has already spent time in federal prison for failing to pay income taxes and his wife has been convicted of tax fraud as well and is expected to be sentenced to jail any time now.
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Micheal360-badly-quoting-something wrote: Introduction

AS THE FIRST AMERICAN IN HISTORY to secure a complete refund of all federal income taxes withheld-- including Social Security and Medicare taxes-- and the author of several books that have led to many tens of thousands of other American men and women getting all THEIR money back year after year since 2003, I imagine I'm the last person from whom you'd expect to hear praises of the income tax. But that's what you're hearing.

The fact is, the income tax is not only a Constitutional tax, it is also a very desirable tax. Applied in strict adherence to its statutory design, the income tax is benignly-limited in scope. It is also a fit mechanism by which those who make money from the exploitation of public resources return to the common purse a portion of their private profits.
http://losthorizons.com/Documents/The16th.htm
Is that from or about the CtC book? The author of which spent some time in prison for using his own techniques? The prison time being a direct refutation of this introduction?

Yup - a quick check further and it is indeed about the book Cracking The Code.

If you end up sitting in a prison cell for your tax strategy, you can think back upon the book and how well it helped you.
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So our sockpuppet finally admits that he doesn’t read any of the bull crap he posts, not like it wasn’t obvious. So it would seem we can add extreme laziness to the already verified intellectual dishonesty.

By all means stake your arguments on “The Fascinating Truth About The 16th Amendment” and “Cracking The Code”, both works of at best mediocre fiction, well poor fantasy really, both based on poor to no scholarship and just general fantasy and wishful thinking when it comes right down to it, we wouldn’t expect anything less from you.

Just keep showing us Mikey/Jimmy, you're always good for a cheap laugh.
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Re: Taxes on income, are of course, an excise tax.

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Micheal360 wrote:I really explain the cutting and pasting. This is not my theories nor is my content that I have written. I just put it out there for you geniuses to refute it. I don't have time to go through all these cases, but I have read a few.
Why do you want us to refute a theory that has never worked? For anyone. Ever.

Shouldn't a 0% success rate - identical to the success rate for absolute gibberish - be the only clue you need?
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Re: Taxes on income, are of course, an excise tax.

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If I were trying to learn how to drive, I wouldn't take driving lessons from someone who has totaled a dozen cars and has had his/her license suspended several times. If I were trying to learn how to build a brick wall, I wouldn't ask for help a bricklayer who had been successfully sued, several times, for shoddy work which had resulted in death, injury and property damage.

And, if I were trying to find out if the federal income tax was constitutional or not and whether I had to pay any income tax, I sure as hell wouldn't take advice from an author who had gone to prison for using the very methods which he had set forth in his book, whose wife is going to prison for the same reason, and whose disciples, having used those same methods to obtain refund checks, always (sooner or later) get stern letters from the IRS demanding repayment of the erroneously-issued refunds.

Michison3171/Jameal360 is getting very tiresome. Like our old pal DMVP, he seems to think that, if he keeps offering us the same stinking, steaming pile of legal word salad, over and over and over and over and over again, about whether the income tax is a direct tax, indirect tax, excise tax, carpet tax or hearta tax, we will agree that the pile indeed does smell like roses -- except that DMVP was a lot more literate and entertaining. His endless demands that we refute his legal fantasies -- after we have repeatedly told him that what the COURTS say is what really matters -- have become very tiresome.

He belongs on the LoserHeads forum or on Planet Merrill.
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Re: Taxes on income, are of course, an excise tax.

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Micheal360 wrote:I really explain the cutting and pasting. This is not my theories nor is my content that I have written. I just put it out there for you geniuses to refute it. I don't have time to go through all these cases, but I have read a few...
This is precisely one of your problems. You STILL haven't clicked to the fact that WE HAVE ALREADY REFUTED THE CLAIMS FOR WHICH YOU PEOPLE USE THESE CASES.

Over and over and over and over and over again.

You are just like every other tax protester who comes here. You seem to labor under the delusion that you're the first person to find this literature, and that you are bringing it to us for the first time and "dumping" it here so we can "refute" it.

There is nothing to "refute" at this point.

Example: Redfield v. Fisher..... Jack Cole...... Sims v. Ahrens.....these cases have been cited by you people for YEARS -- and NONE of these cases stand for the hilarious propositions that you push.

The rest of the world -- and particularly the Quatloos regular staff -- is not under some sort obligation to your hold your hand and refute every speck of garbage that you dump here. Yes, we're here to expose scams -- and we've done that with this garbage, over and over and over and over.

Get some education, son.
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Re: Taxes on income, are of course, an excise tax.

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Basically, it comes down to if you can't be bothered to actually read the dreck you're posting to see that they are all LOSING cases, then why should anyone here take the time to explain it to you? Answer, there isn't any. You've been WRONG every time so far, so there is no reason to believe you break a losing streak in the future.
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Re: Taxes on income, are of course, an excise tax.

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Micheal360 wrote:You guys have such a strong interest in this, why don't you write your own content......
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

What the f**k do you think the material in this web site is? Have you even bothered to go through the prior threads? There are probably HUNDREDS of them! And, try using the SEARCH function, Einstein!

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

And, Dan Evans, one of the regulars here, has this huge web page:

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

The Dan Evans material is literally HUNDREDS OF PAGES refuting your nonsense -- including references to some of the very cases, the citations to which you copied and pasted, such as Redfield v. Fisher, Jack Cole, etc., etc.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
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Re: Taxes on income, are of course, an excise tax.

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Speaking of the "search" function, I just used that function to check on cases like those that our lazy trollster friend cited -- without his bothering to actually investigate.

For the Redfield v. Fisher case, I see eight mentions here in this forum, going back as far as the year 2007.

For Sims v. Ahrens, I see 20 mentions, going back as far as 2007.

For the Jack Cole case, I see five mentions, again back as far as 2007.

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