Walter Raddatz; Canadian Freeman cop killer

[Burnaby49]

It's still not clear about the Freeman part but the cop-killer is correct. A big breaking story here;

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edm ... story.html

The shooting happened when Edmonton police were trying to serve a criminal harassment warrant on Raddatz. He was being investigated for an as-yet unspecified hate crime. Instead of surrendering he fired through the door, hit two police officers, killing one, then went to the basement and burned the house down while still in it.

Here is a photo of the property he burned down;

http://www.albertaonfire.com/listing/ed ... 620-62a-av
https://www.edmontonrealestate.pro/list ... n-alberta/

In Foreclosure, 1614 sq ft Bungalow on a 5987sqft lot with a fully finished basement and a double detached garage. Located in Ormsby Place on a quiet street, the property does need TLC. Property is occupied and no access at this time. Property Sold AS IS WHERE IS

Back story; divorced, failed business; home foreclosed, possible mental illness, certainly unbalanced. From the neighbors comments a very unpleasant individual. It looks like his life went into a tailspin in the last couple of years. He reported in his 2010 divorce claim that he made $92,000 a year so he was reasonably prosperous at one point. It would have been from this business;

http://north-summit-mechanical-inc.edmo ... anical-inc

The business may have something to do with refrigeration;

http://cmpages.com/ab/North_Summit_Mechanical.html
http://north-summit-mechanical.alberta.canadab.com

Raddatz was a hard worker who believed in doing things right, said friend Orion Holtby. He got married in June 1993 to 19-year-old Leanne Perry, and the couple had three sons, now 21, 19, and 14. He worked as a refrigeration technician, starting North Summit Mechanical in 2007. He planned to retire at 50 and had nearly paid off his home, the 1978 bungalow at 18620 62A Avenue, when she left in February 2009. Divorce proceedings began the next year and were finalized by April 2012.

Holtby says Raddatz’s finances began to falter after the divorce. He had to refinance his home, then in early 2013, his ex-wife filed a maintenance order for $3,016. Raddatz couldn’t pay. He lost his driver’s licence, stopped working and began living off RRSPs, savings and possessions he could sell. He fell further behind on mortgage payments and fought with his neighbors. His RV was impounded twice, his truck got towed, his property taxes fell into arrears. Bylaw officers fined him $700 for improperly stowed firewood, used to heat his house. For the last month, power has been shut off.

Holtby tried to help Raddatz get his business running, but his friend insisted he had to pay off his debts. In April 2014, Raddatz was $42,000 behind when RBC began foreclosure proceedings, suing for $341,000. Holtby went to court to act as Raddatz’s agent, trying to buy time, but as the May 20, 2015 deadline approached, the end seemed inevitable.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edm ... story.html

It looks like the FOTL link was made by Raddatz's ex-girlfriend;

Those who lived near Mr. Raddatz, 42, spoke of him as the neighbour everyone dreaded. Ryan Colton said Mr. Raddatz’s home, with its deteriorating exterior and frequently unmowed and garbage-ridden lawn, was “an eyesore.” Mr. Colton, who called city officials to complain about his neighbour, added that Mr. Raddatz was also “very aggressive” in situations that did not call for it and began leaving feces on Mr. Colton’s fence. When asked why, Mr. Colton said, “Because he’s an idiot.”

Mr. Colton saw Mr. Raddatz’s ex-girlfriend, who had come to the murder scene. He said the ex-girlfriend told him Mr. Raddatz had recently become involved with the Freemen on the land movement and “kind of went off the deep end.” Police have said they are not aware of any link to the group that calls itself “sovereign citizens” and anti-government.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/alb ... e24873176/

So it's possible he did not hold any deep-seated Freeman beliefs but just tried to use some of them in a last desperate attempt to keep his place.

[eric]

It's still not clear about the Freeman part but the cop-killer is correct.
It looks like the FOTL link was made by Raddatz's ex-girlfriend;

Those who lived near Mr. Raddatz, 42, spoke of him as the neighbour everyone dreaded. Ryan Colton said Mr. Raddatz’s home, with its deteriorating exterior and frequently unmowed and garbage-ridden lawn, was “an eyesore.” Mr. Colton, who called city officials to complain about his neighbour, added that Mr. Raddatz was also “very aggressive” in situations that did not call for it and began leaving feces on Mr. Colton’s fence. When asked why, Mr. Colton said, “Because he’s an idiot.”

Mr. Colton saw Mr. Raddatz’s ex-girlfriend, who had come to the murder scene. He said the ex-girlfriend told him Mr. Raddatz had recently become involved with the Freemen on the land movement and “kind of went off the deep end.” Police have said they are not aware of any link to the group that calls itself “sovereign citizens” and anti-government.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/alb ... e24873176/

So it's possible he did not hold any deep-seated Freeman beliefs but just tried to use some of them in a last desperate attempt to keep his place.

Immediately picked up by Warren Kinsella, the master of the one sentence bomb. Kinsella's every word is waited on with breathless anticipation by Canadian political junkies and he's on an anti-FMOTL campaign right now.

[NYGman]

Very sad, not sure if he was really a full blown, FMOTL, but based on his circumstances, I am sure he would have found their ideas interesting, and may have started to adopt some of them.

[Fmotlgroupie]

I think his backstory is absolutely archetypal for FMOTL. Thank goodness the climax of his story is so rare.

[ArthurWankspittle]

I was literally reading about this on another tab. One of the cops killed was a Brit who moved to Canada.
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... da-9426325

[Burnaby49]

Here's the basis for the warrant that the EPS were executing.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/268177935/Nor ... z-s-ticket

A simple bylaw ticket for violating community standards:

http://www.edmonton.ca/bylaws_licences/C14600.pdf

[bmxninja357]

i would think that by the evidence we have so far walter was not a freeman on the land. if one looks at his prior history it would seem that he has been involved in hate crimes so its safe to say he was previously/or to date of incident involved with much more violent hate groups. one could also add the mental stress of his current life situation and finances to this. this would come to a head if he was so bent without regard to whatever he was looking at on the net.

one could assume anything from recent readings on the net.

i mean he could have looked at any site commonly associated here with the freeman movement for some way out of his current plight. then he could have came to this very site and believed none of it would work thus there is no way out. from that point snapped and proceeded to go with murder and suicide by cop. hard to follow what makes someone engage in such stupidity.

but no, i do not belive we are looking at a freeman on the land. just someone who went nuts and police and a family looking for answers and in grief trying to find something/someone to blame.

i feel for the eps. i hope the officers and their families get through this ok.

peace,
ninj

[Burnaby49]

You could well be right Ninja. The Freeman hallmarks are pretty sparse at the moment. A comment from an ex girlfriend and, I've heard, information on his Facebook page. His Facebook may have been hastily shut down. I can't find it.

[bmxninja357]

Friends of Norman Walter Raddatz speak

he was definately not a freeman or anything like that

watch it: http://www.theprovince.com/Friends+Norm ... story.html

peace,
ninj

[wserra]

i would think that by the evidence we have so far walter was not a freeman on the land.

ninj, what is a fre---.

Awright, awright.

[Burnaby49]

Friends of Norman Walter Raddatz speak

he was definately not a freeman or anything like that

watch it: http://www.theprovince.com/Friends+Norm ... story.html

peace,
ninj

I suppose the value of the friend's comments would to some extent depend on the friend. I assume that the friend in the video is the Orion Holtby who is mentioned in this article;

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/edm ... story.html

I'm not guaranteeing it is the same guy but there aren't many Orion Holtby's floating around. An Orion Alexander Holtby was convicted of fraud under $5,000 in Victoria in 1998 and had these problems more rcently.

Document Count Offence Date Statute Nature Accused City Of Offence
158689-1 1 16-Aug-2012 PVC - 24(1) Causing animal to continue to be in distress
Commit HOLTBY, ORION Alexander Victoria BC

158689-1 2 16-Aug-2012CCC - 446(1)(b) owner failing to provide necessaries for animal
Commit HOLTBY, ORION Alexander Victoria BC

158689-2-A 1 07-Oct-2013 CCC - 145(2)(b) Failing to appear pursuant to court order
Commit HOLTBY, ORION Alexander Victoria BC

Sorry for the formatting, can't bring it across properly from B.C. Courts Online. This Orion Holtby was born in 1972 which would make him a contemporary of Raddatz.

[Jeffrey]

So ex-girlfriend says freeman, friend says no.

Less than a week from the Dean Clifford trial, maybe a smart move to have not chosen a jury trial.

[bmxninja357]

dont those charges rhyme with left a dog in the car while going for dinner on a trip to bc and never bothered to go back for court?(or something like that)

peace,
ninj

[Burnaby49]

dont those charges rhyme with left a dog in the car while going for dinner on a trip to bc and never bothered to go back for court?(or something like that)

peace,
ninj

Could be. And the fraud under $500 could be a minor issue. But he is on record here in B.C.

[Burnaby49]

Argument over, he's a Freeman;

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Police+s ... story.html

https://www.facebook.com/dino.stomper?f ... wse_search

Ninja may argue that he is not a "real" Freeman whatever that might be but 99.9% of the Canadian population is not going to care about the distinction.

[Hyrion]

Ninja may argue that he is not a "real" Freeman whatever that might be but 99.9% of the Canadian population is not going to care about the distinction.

That's even more true if the only "evidence" supporting "he's not a freeman" is "because he says he's not".

Without being able to explicitly pinpoint a specific factor that separates them, any claim contrary is rather pointless.

[bmxninja357]

sounds more run of the mill conspiracy theorist to me.

your saying because one follows ,say, the 10 commandments more or less they are a christian. even if they deny it.

there are many sites with little to do with sov cits or freemen that use many of the same theories. this can be found on any old conspiracy site. if anything the beliefs most likely started on a racist site. thus the hate and parallel theories on names and and jews and such. and many white power sites hold much the same beliefs, but approve of violence against the alleged jew behind it. in general canadian freemen do not discriminate or use violence of this type. the racism, weapons and crappy life situation are way more indicative of an Aryan bent. and they would not be classed as no 'race trading freeman'. but many beliefs are the same.

peace,
ninj

[Burnaby49]

sounds more run of the mill conspiracy theorist to me.

your saying because one follows ,say, the 10 commandments more or less they are a christian. even if they deny it.

there are many sites with little to do with sov cits or freemen that use many of the same theories. this can be found on any old conspiracy site. if anything the beliefs most likely started on a racist site. thus the hate and parallel theories on names and and jews and such. and many white power sites hold much the same beliefs, but approve of violence against the alleged jew behind it. in general canadian freemen do not discriminate or use violence of this type. the racism, weapons and crappy life situation are way more indicative of an Aryan bent. and they would not be classed as no 'race trading freeman'. but many beliefs are the same.

peace,
ninj

Agreed. I know that you, for one, are particularly angered by anti-Semitism. However the problem here is that he has a lot of Freeman hallmarks and, as has been discussed on Quatloos, there is no bright line definition of what makes someone a a Freeman. It is really a "big tent" all-encompassing philosophy that can mean whatever the individual wants it to mean and it attracts a lot of marginal individuals. So you have to judge whether or not someone is a Freeman indirectly, by their actions and stated beliefs. On that basis it is my conclusion that Raddatz has shown enough Freeman indicators to put him over the line. If you can even determine where a line is. You can argue it is a perverse application of Freeman "beliefs" but it is an application of them none the less.

However good luck trying to convince the general public of your argument. They don't see any nuances. They see a raging nutcase killing a police officer and who has a backstory of what are clearly Freeman beliefs. Freemanism is dead in Canada. Both because they can't win any of their arguments in court and because of the public revulsion over the whole movement because of people like Raddatz.

[Jeffrey]

I don't think we're referring to the racism, which is tangential to Freemanism but rather:

“They will have to drag me to court by force. I will not voluntarily enter a corrupt admiralty court,” Raddatz, 42, wrote on the social media site after receiving a bylaw ticket last summer.

[Hyrion]

in general canadian freemen do not discriminate or use violence of this type

On that point we'll have to agree to disagree.

I can't speak "to the greater population of Canadian freemen". I have neither met nor been exposed to said greater population - assuming said population is greater then 20 or so members.

But I can speak to that population I have been exposed to. And on that point your experiences/exposure obviously differ from mine.

From what's been observed with regards his own correspondences there's nothing I see that differentiates him from others who have openly called themselves freemen. Given his response to the police presence he does fit into the more extreme (and I hope smaller) segment of said population.

My humble opinions of course.