The Second Battle of Crawford's Castle, a Nottingham Farce...
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Can't see the charges being dropped, he allegedly assaulted a Police Officer in the Course of his duties, carries it's own 'stiffer' sentencing I believe ?
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No Case to answer is an argument/reason rather than a plea.Jeffrey wrote:It's not "changing the plea", his response is functionally a not guilty plea.
Not Guilty because there is no case to answer, would be the way it should be used ?
At least this is not the worst thing he could have done, it's a lot better than going down the "This court has no authority to try me" or "Swear your oath of office or I will have to arrest you".......
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Isn't she the girlfriend of one of the Michaels O' somewhere? So it's pretty likely she believes in an 'alternative' lifestyle.letissier14 wrote:It's safe to say 'Monika' is firmly in the fmotl campBungle wrote:
I don't know the background to 'Monika' (whether she supports FMoTL or Sov City) so for the moment it would not be right to inlcude her in my comment, but these two others dont seem to realise that their FMoTL views have caused their downfall.
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The funny thing about their plea is that legally it's meaningless for you to say you have no case to answer in a criminal court, the CPS and Police have said that you do. It's best to respond to them, because if you don't, you won't enter a defence to the charge. The plea they effectively entered was the equivalent of sticking ones head in the sand and hoping the nasty thing would go away.
I'd also say they would both have been advised by someone to enter that specific plea. If I recall the old method of FMOTLers dealing with pleas was to say that they don't plea, as pleading is for children or some similar wibble.
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Rented to an old couple if rent-a-mob turned up they'd hit them straight with aggravated burglary and they'd have no public support.ArthurWankspittle wrote:I think it will have to be demolished too. If there's a house still there it will be a magnet for the rent-a-mob morons to re-take. In 12 months time (perhaps when some people get out of prison) and there is an empty building plot there it doesn't have the same attraction.NG3 wrote:If the house has gone by then (which I'd fully expect) then, yes, they may well drop the case.
It'll be pretty much over when the house is sold.
Tbf I see no chance of demolition as that just creates a free camp site for loonies.
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Are none of these people intelligent enough to work out that even if there wasn't a warrant (which we know there is) and even if past hearings were annulled (which they won't be) they'd still have to apply to the courts to regain possession, at which point they'd note the unpaid endowment and Tom still wouldn't get the house back?
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It will get turned down as those documents will be covered under the data protection act.
TC supporters will go mental because the courts are withholding information.
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Not alot. He's requesting the same stuff or an extract of the same stuff as Master McCloud (There y'go! - sorry couldn't resist it.) requested that Tom could have a copy of. So what? Hope he has to pay for the copying.
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IF THE FOI REQUEST HAD BEEN FROM TOM OR SUE THEN YES IT WOULD HAVE MERIT, BOT A FOI REQUEST DOES NOT GIVE ANYBODY THE RIGHT TO SEE OTHER PEOPLES INFO OR THEN THE COURT ITSELF WOULD BE IN BREACH OF THE DATA PROTECT ACT.
I WOULD SERGEST TOM SHOULD BE DOING WHAT THIS GUY DID, BUT THAT WOULD MEAN HE ACTUALLY GOT A COPY OF THE POSSESSION ORDER,(which they already posted to him last year) AND WHERE'S THE FUN IN THAT
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They may well confirm they exist, but give him copies? Not a chance but nice try by the loonies. Tom would be incandescent with mock outrage should they do that, there would be arrests and law suits being filed, possibly even a Grand Jury should it happen, even though he was content with every man and his dog demanding to see the "warrant"
Smells, no stinks of an inside job.
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It's a public interest case, there's no reason to not give him a copy of the warrants.
Frankly I hope they do so we can hear about how the seal isn't embossed or angled properly.
Frankly I hope they do so we can hear about how the seal isn't embossed or angled properly.
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But he can tell that from the copy he already has.Jeffrey wrote:It's a public interest case, there's no reason to not give him a copy of the warrants.
Frankly I hope they do so we can hear about how the seal isn't embossed or angled properly.
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In such circumstances, could a defendant sue for wrongful arrest?ArthurWankspittle wrote:NG3 wrote:If the house has gone by then (which I'd fully expect) then, yes, they may well drop the case.
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Wiki says:
No case for the defendant to answer (sometimes shortened to no case to answer) is a term in British criminal law, whereby a defendant seeks acquittal without having to present a defence.
At the close of the prosecution's case during a criminal trial, the defendant may submit to the judge or magistrate that there is no case for the defendant to answer (similar to a motion for a directed verdict in a United States court). If the judge agrees, then the matter is dismissed and the defendant is acquitted without having to present any evidence in their defence. If the judge does not accept the submission, the case continues and the defence must present their case
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This is where I PROVE I am not one of them by doing something they never would and answering honestly by saying I don't know.Pox wrote:In such circumstances, could a defendant sue for wrongful arrest?ArthurWankspittle wrote:NG3 wrote:If the house has gone by then (which I'd fully expect) then, yes, they may well drop the case.
I suspect he could try, but then they'd just examine the case and video evidence alone would demonstrate reasonable grounds, so he'd lose the case.
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They could, as can anybody else who has been arrested, but they would lose.Pox wrote:In such circumstances, could a defendant sue for wrongful arrest?ArthurWankspittle wrote:NG3 wrote:If the house has gone by then (which I'd fully expect) then, yes, they may well drop the case.
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Tom: "every court must be a court of record and have a seal."
This often crops up in UK SovCittery. I suspect it originates from a paragraph in County Courts Act 1984 s1, or related legislation:
This often crops up in UK SovCittery. I suspect it originates from a paragraph in County Courts Act 1984 s1, or related legislation:
Every court so held shall be called a county court and shall be a court of record and shall have a seal.
I'd like to see the warrant, and other documents. But they won't be handed out by the courts to the general public. They are, quite rightly, regarded as private information.Jeffrey wrote:It's a public interest case, there's no reason to not give him a copy of the warrants.
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In that case Tom will do it. Thanks for clearing that up.longdog wrote:
They could, as can anybody else who has been arrested, but they would lose.
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I hope they produce a warrants, stamped with a wet signature, witnessed by the queen and pope