Peter of England: He's going to be in REal trouble

[Skeleton]

If you have FB the above is ongoing and to be fair some of them are starting to realise they have in fact been had. Peter will delete and ban as soon as he sees it of course.

[hobgoblin]

I'm not on Faceache so I'd appreciate it if those who are could keep on posting the best bits here.
At first I too thought Peter was just a crook but now it is becoming obvious that he is a grade one nutjob.

[FatGambit]

I think he's both, a deluded panoid conspiracy theorist with the gift of being able to sell ice to Eskimos.

[Pox]

I'm not on Faceache so I'd appreciate it if those who are could keep on posting the best bits here.
At first I too thought Peter was just a crook but now it is becoming obvious that he is a grade one nutjob.

I'm not on it either but can view the dialogue so must be publicly available.

[hobgoblin]

I'm not on Faceache so I'd appreciate it if those who are could keep on posting the best bits here.
At first I too thought Peter was just a crook but now it is becoming obvious that he is a grade one nutjob.

I'm not on it either but can view the dialogue so must be publicly available.

Thanks, I didn't realize it was public.

[rumpelstilzchen]

I think he's both, a deluded panoid conspiracy theorist with the gift of being able to sell ice to Eskimos.

I have to disagree. I would say that he is a deluded paranoid conspiracy theorist with the gift of being able to sell ice to the less intelligent Eskimos.
Most people of average intelligence would instantly see through PoE's false claims, recognise him for the conman he is and would not go anywhere near him. You have to bear in mind that PoE's customers are a section of society that, but for the internet, we probably would never come into contact with.
Yes Peter, I called you a conman. Put me on the list for prosecution in your Mickey Mouse court.

[littleFred]

From that conversation on Peter's FB, I'm intrigued by one poster. In the course of one hour, she morphs from skeptic to die-hard.

having sent 2 cheques to pay for stuff and payments being rejected and me being told they were being investigated means that the jury is out with me right now. I'm not sure if it is what is seems to be.

I'm also wondering why if you can pay your mortgage with a WeRe cheque and you can pay your council tax with a WeRe cheque why can't you pay rent with one?! something nobody seems able to answer.

I heard of someone, I think it was on goodf, who had claimes to have paid their mortgage and been sent confirmation etc. Maybe some places accept them without problems and those who don't know how it works don't. I know it's early days yet but I am hopeful.

If you read the Bills of Exchange act 1882 you will see that a cheque is to be treated the same way as cash, and a cheque can be written on ANYTHING, as it is no different to a Promissory Note, which ALL BANK NOTES ARE! If someone accepts cash but refuses to accept a cheque(ANY cheque) they are admitting there is nothing due to be paid! It is in black and white, and yes I've read it!

Whoah there. This is junk. If she's read BoE 1882 then she hasn't understood it. It doesn't say "a cheque is to be treated the same way as cash" or anything similar. It doesn't say a cheque is no different to a Promissory Note. On the contrary, it draws clear distinctions between cheques (and other forms of bills of exchange) and PNs. If someone accepts cash but doesn't accept cheques, there is no admission that nothing is due. Nothing in BoE 1882 (or anywhere else) says a creditor is obliged to accept cheques.

Never mind complex Victorian legislation, a moment's thought should convince her that if her statement "If someone accepts cash but doesn't accept cheques, there is no admission that nothing is due" is true, then obviously everyone would accept cheques.

She seems to be in Scotland, where banknotes are a form of PN. They are not PNs in England and Wales. And, yes, cheques can be written on anything.

so you are saying that mortgage companies can decide whether or not to adhere to the Bills of Exchange Act?! I don't think so. I have read the legislation, and I have read the terms and conditions on my contract with who I intend to pay. NONE of them say they will not accept a cheque and NONE of them explicitly list WeRe Bank as someone they will not accept payment from...................

Mortgage companies, like everyone else, have to adhere to BoE 1882, so far as it applies to them. True. But they don't have to adhere to her junk. Again she claims, "I have read the legislation". Either this is a lie, or her interpretations are lies.

I understand that she has fallen for the lies of Peter, Bertie and others. She wants to believe, so she does. But then she adds a lie of her own, that she has verified this herself, from BoE 1882. This is untrue.

[NG3]

Whoah there. This is junk. If she's read BoE 1882 then she hasn't understood it.

I doubt she has read it. She's probably been told what she has and believed it.

If someone's on there they should perhaps link her to BoE 1882 and invite her to check the facts for herself.

You never know, she might just be one of those types who, when presented with facts, suddenly wakes up.

Judging by her small friends list she's probably as lonely as she is poor, so probably doesn't have anyone sensible in her life to alert her to scams like this.

[PeanutGallery]

"And please explain the exact nature of the DEFAMATORY CLAIM YOU MAKE THAT WHAT WE DO IS FRAUDULENT? This is because when we take the postings you have made and bring them, with you, into a common law court or record, then it will be necessary for you to be able to PROVE YOUR CLAIM, and we don't want their to be any misunderstandings before we sanction you, now do we?"

And how exactly does he think he's going to do that?

I've held off on pronouncing Poe a madman but I'm now starting to have doubts. Does he really think his own 'common law court of record' at which he is the sole proprietor, judge, jury and executioner is anything other than a delusional fantasy which will be universally ignored?

Their is a huge difference between getting a judgement, I would imagine that somewhere in the world their is a national court system of questionable ethical conduct where a Judgement could be bought, and getting it enforced. A Judgement from Peter's kangaroo common law court of record would be of no significance. Peter wouldn't be able to get anyone to take it seriously.

He could, and I believe this courts have, issued judgements proclaiming a number of high profile figures (Her Majesty, Prime Ministers) as criminals and these 'criminals' are still roaming free because the judgements are pure fantasy. I could however play PoE's game by saying that today in my super sekrit common law court of record of which I, Peanut Gallery, am the sole judge and arbiter, with the powers vested in me by the divine and distinct otherworldly beings who shape the world in order to better our species and promote inter-galactic harmonisation, proclaim that Alan Peter Michael Smith, commonly known as Peter of England is no more than a charlatan, a fraudster and a conman. He is hereby ordered forthwith to cease and desist from his current methods and to make restitution to his victims in pounds of sterling silver and to forever wear a placard which reads "I am a fraud" around his neck. This is the Judgement of the court as handed down today in the year Juche 104 long live the eternal leader.

Game, Set and Match PoE.

[Burnaby49]

"And please explain the exact nature of the DEFAMATORY CLAIM YOU MAKE THAT WHAT WE DO IS FRAUDULENT? This is because when we take the postings you have made and bring them, with you, into a common law court or record, then it will be necessary for you to be able to PROVE YOUR CLAIM, and we don't want their to be any misunderstandings before we sanction you, now do we?"

And how exactly does he think he's going to do that?

I've held off on pronouncing Poe a madman but I'm now starting to have doubts. Does he really think his own 'common law court of record' at which he is the sole proprietor, judge, jury and executioner is anything other than a delusional fantasy which will be universally ignored?

This is a common Freeman delusion here in Canada. Robert Menard is on the run from charges of impersonating a peace (read police) officer because he tried to pretend he was a real police officer, fake badge and all. The real police officers were not co-operative. This was part of a larger dream Menard had that he could set up armed police forces across Canada to enforce the Freeman's deluded version of common law. He actually deputized morons and drunken layabouts to be his peace officers. Anyone who breached their version of common law (creditors who insisted on payment, judges who decided against them, that pain in the ass mother-in-law) would be arrested by his pretend police and tried in their pretend common law courts. Hasn't worked out well for him as yet.

[littleFred]

I agree that Peter parallels Menard in many ways (and Ceylon parallels Dean, though less closely). The UK is currently a battleground for "top SovCit guru". Peter on one side, with Ceylon/Guy/Kai/Michael/Michael on the other. Peter's ICLCOR court is the highest in the land, capable of overturning decisions from all other courts, but so is the Grand Jury.

I think Peter is too much of a loner to join the other gang, and the other gang is too wary of Peter's occult-ET scam to want him. Both sides agree that existing banks and courts are evil. Peter's solution is deceptively simple: ignore laws and build a better bank. (But WeRe doesn't interact with current financial systems, so it can't work.) The gang seeks remedy by inventing laws and insisting that banks, courts, bailiffs should follow them.

So far, we've seen little action from these invented courts or from Peace Keepers attempting enforcement.

[timcurgenven1]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Peter-Of ... 9179700768

If you don't have face ache

[longdog]

Latest tirade of peurile, laughable, empty threats...

ReMember fellah - your time is coming...POLARITY PRINCIPLE INVOKED and the one thing the Elite despise more than you is the YOU that is willing to turn on his own kind...and that's what you rendez vous will be when they turn you out to the mob! Stay brave behind your key-board while you still can, little weed!

Now I'm not a violent man by any measure and Poe scares me about as much as next-door's kitten but there are some seriously unhinged people who have lost plenty of toxic Bank of England currency to this clown and if I were him I'd be very, very careful who he threatens with his 'mob'.

That said I still think he's out of the country and the chances of any of his victims getting near enough to give him a well deserved (some might say but not me obviously ) slap are pretty remote.

I also wonder how he is defining "his own kind". I've never held off doing things just because they are illegal or immoral come to that but I still have the ingrained beliefs of a dyed in the wool socialist father that the one thing that is never excusable is ripping off the poor and that's what Poe is doing. They might be stupid, gullible poor people but that's still what most of his victims are.

[Pox]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Peter-Of ... 9179700768

If you don't have face ache

Loads of stuff removed from earlier today (from what I can see, not being registered with FB).

[mufc1959]

From that conversation on Peter's FB, I'm intrigued by one poster. In the course of one hour, she morphs from skeptic to die-hard.

This is the woman who was royally pissed off because she hadn't received her chequebook and that her emails and PMs hadn't been answered. She was wondering if she'd wasted her money. Now her chequebook's finally arrived, she's found out that she did.

[timcurgenven1]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Peter-Of ... 9179700768

If you don't have face ache

Loads of stuff removed from earlier today (from what I can see, not being registered with FB).

Yes they were removed

[timcurgenven1]

From that conversation on Peter's FB, I'm intrigued by one poster. In the course of one hour, she morphs from skeptic to die-hard.

This is the woman who was royally pissed off because she hadn't received her chequebook and that her emails and PMs hadn't been answered. She was wondering if she'd wasted her money. Now her chequebook's finally arrived, she's found out that she did.

She said she was being investigated!

[Bones]

At last a WeRe Cheque has cleared !!!!1!!!!!



Hold the celebrations, they have not even been presented for payment yet



In other words the flaw in Peter's claims, he clears a cheque before it is even presented for payment. So what happens if someone spends all their Re's in between Peter clearing the cheque and it being presented for payment ? there would be no Re's left to pay the cheque

[timcurgenven1]

At last a WeRe Cheque has cleared !!!!1!!!!!



Hold the celebrations, they have not even been presented for payment yet



In other words the flaw in Peter's claims, he clears a cheque before it is even presented for payment. So what happens if someone spends all their Re's in between Peter clearing the cheque and it being presented for payment ? there would be no Re's left to pay the cheque

They will soon be posting that the cheques have been returned, however it's the ones who shout about them that keep quiet when they bounce

Wonder if that idiot who took car finance out on purpose to try and prove were bank cheques work will post up when they bounce

[Zeke_the_Meek]

In light of the recent speculation that Peter is more in the 'unhinged' camp than in the fraudulent camp, I kept on thinking "Nah, he knows exactly what he's doing."

I take it all back after looking at the FB page today. It looks like Mr. of England is starting to get really antagonistic even towards those trying to press money into his hands, which is quite an interesting turn.

More examples than I can copy paste here, but the best has to be:

Idiot: can someone explain how exactly we are suppose to pay the £35 to join and get the cheques delievered to our address in the first place?

Peter: Wow Nick with a question like that we cannot, as a matter of social responsibility, allow a cheque book into your hands!

On top of that, he's totally lost control of the Facebook page. The tipping point has been reached - new potential customers are getting confused, on-the-fence doubters are starting to fall on the right side, and PoE appears to have even given up trying to delete the negative comments mounting up.

I know it's been said time and time again, but this really does look like the bubble finally bursting for all but the most deluded of debt-dodgers.