Peter of England: He's going to be in REal trouble

[Hyrion]

I'm sorry, call me a heartless bastard by all means.

Personally, I prefer being a dirtbag (paraphrase your wording to be more genteel) in:

• suggesting a criminal be punished in some form

rather then being a bigger dirtbag in

• suggesting the victim be patient and suck up the "costs" of the crime targeted at them while the criminal is handled in much gentler terms by trying to reason with them while they continue to commit crimes

At some point, the criminal needs to be forced to stop - even if later you still try to help them understand.

[arayder]

36 hours ago this lady was laughing about cheating her landlord with another worthless pretend cheque, now that it's fallen through she's suddenly pleading for help. But she doesn't want help to raise the money, negotiate a repayment plan or find emergency accommodation - she still wants ideas to rip-off the landlord. . . .

It's natural election at work in modern society.

[longdog]

Well I suppose it's only fair that, given the number of times UK footlers quote the US constitution / UCC / some other US law that their US colleagues should try using the Bills of Exchange Act and other UK legislation.

These idiots feed off each other and none of them seem to have a clue about such trivial legal matters as jurisdiction.

[AndyPandy]

What i can't my head around is why these suckers are still trying to extinguish debts when they know by now it's a scam & weary bank isn't registered & has no legitimacy. Jeez, these freetards are so far gone it's beyond comprehension to any civilised human being. Smell the coffee goofs!!!1!!!! We here are trying to help you out of the ever deepening rabbit hole

It doesn't help that when someone does post a letter that clearly says the cheques aren't accepted, someone then suggests it's a fake letter posted by a troll !

[notorial dissent]

Well I suppose it's only fair that, given the number of times UK footlers quote the US constitution / UCC / some other US law that their US colleagues should try using the Bills of Exchange Act and other UK legislation.

These idiots feed off each other and none of them seem to have a clue about such trivial legal matters as jurisdiction.

Hate to break it to ya, but two of the favorites over here are quoting the Bills of Exchange Act and Magna Carta, mostly because they have big fancy names and they can't understand more than about 1/10th of any of it, that and the International Postal Union Treaty for some reason, that has real POWER, doncha kno!!!

Mind you, I still have serious moments, of coughing choking laughing, when any of the CN/UK crowd even mention sovereign citizen. The only ones that are more funny, unintentionally, and more serious, are the Germans doing it.

[morrand]

Com Ed bill (whatever that is - electricity, I think),

Con Ed-- short for "Consolidated Edison"-- is indeed the electric utility.

It's actually short for "Commonwealth Edison," the electric utility serving most of DuPage County and northern Illinois (vs. ConEdison, the utility for New York City and surrounding area). Which makes this particular werebanker practically a neighbor of mine. Which, I guess, means I don't get to point and laugh anymore.

As a point of information, evictions in Cook County (next one east, where the city of Chicago is located) have gotten a relatively soft treatment recently. The county sheriff was actually getting a bit of friction for a while for stopping evictions (or curtailing them severely) during the height of the bank crisis. DuPage is much more suburban and much more..."business-friendly," is the term they'd use, I think. The odds of Ms. 060572MW getting a break are indeed poor. (The odds of violence are likewise very poor, even if Ms. 060572MW has been busy spreading the were-gospel around the apartment complex. I somehow doubt anyone's going to risk getting thrown out of Section 8, or into a jail cell, by fighting the sheriff's office.)

[littleFred]

The odds of Ms. 060572MW getting a break are indeed poor.

Indeed. On Thursday she wrote:

On top of that they have refused my 2nd cheque and wont even submit it to the bank for clearing!

Now I have to find LAWYER to help me because they evicted me and the next step is court.

I almost feel like I am at a loss & no help :cry: :cry: :cry:

[morrand]

[On Thursday she wrote:

On top of that they have refused my 2nd cheque and wont even submit it to the bank for clearing!

Now I have to find LAWYER to help me because they evicted me and the next step is court.

I almost feel like I am at a loss & no help

Thing is, the more I look at her paperwork, the more it looks like a "five-day notice" (i.e., a threat to open an eviction case), rather than an actual eviction. It's not much help to her, since she still needs to come up with actual money to pay the rent, but she might not technically be out of doors just yet. All the more reason that she's 110% correct about needing a lawyer to help her. I just hope she calls Prairie State Legal Services (the local legal aid organization) rather than recruiting help from the WereBank.

Any significance to her spelling it "cheque," do you think?

[Burnaby49]

Any significance to her spelling it "cheque," do you think?

She's using the British (and Canadian) spelling for some reason. Maybe because that is how it is spelled on WeRe documents and perhaps the chequebook.

[Dr. Caligari]

It's actually short for "Commonwealth Edison," the electric utility serving most of DuPage County and northern Illinois (vs. ConEdison, the utility for New York City and surrounding area).

Sorry, my New York provincialism threw me off there.

[littleFred]

She spells it both ways, sometimes in the same letter, eg the one she sent with the second cheque for the lease:

Dear, Melissa Bloniar & Robin Williams
This letter is to notify you and all members Lamar and of Cooperating Bank [Wells Fargo] In view of the circumstances surrounding my offer of payment for the current lease, I am submitting a second US CERTIFIED CHEQUE to pay the full term of my current lease.

certified check or certified cheque is a form of check for which the bank verifies that sufficient funds exist in the account to cover the check, and so certifies, at the time the check is written, ie same as cash.

Cheque defined: A cheque is a bill of exchange drawn on a banker payable on demand

Having opened a WeRe Bank Account and deposited cleared funds into that account I then proceeded to transfer some of those funds by way of a cheque. Not only has my first cheque submitted to Hinsdale Lake Terrace been destroyed but I am currently at a loss in that amount in my WeRe bank account.

Once again, the cheques I have presented are US cheques and therefore acceptable within ALL US BANKS. I have presented the bill of exchange (cheques) to you for Acceptance your legal obligation henceforth is to Now present the bill of exchange (cheque) to the Were bank whereby it shall become payable on demand. In case you are confused as to your legal obligation may I remind you of The 1882 bill of exchange act section 39, Subsection (2);

When presentment for acceptance is necessary; where a bill expressly stipulates that it shall be presented for acceptance, or where a bill is drawn payable elsewhere than at the residence or place of business of the drawee, it must be presented for acceptance before it can be presented for payment.

You now have 7 days from the date on this letter to present my bill of exchange (cheques) to Were bank so that you may receive payment in full, failure to do so will result in the debt being discharged; again may I refer you to the 1882 bill of exchange act: section 40, Subsection (1):

Time for presenting bill payable after sight; subject to the provisions of this Act, when a bill payable after sight is negotiated, the holder must either present it for acceptance or negotiate it within a reasonable time.

And furthermore let me refer you to Section 40, Subsection (2)

If he do not do so, the drawer and all indorsers prior to that holder are discharged.

I feel I need to additionally refer you to the bill of exchange Section 43;

Dishonour by non-acceptance and its consequences.

A bill is dishonoured by non-acceptance

(a)When it is duly presented for acceptance, and such an acceptance as is prescribed by this Act is refused or cannot be obtained; or
(b)When presentment for acceptance is excused and the bill is not accepted.
(2)Subject to the provisions of this Act when a bill is dishonoured by non-acceptance, an immediate right of recourse against the drawer and indorsers accrues to the holder, and no presentment for payment is necessary.

You therefore only have two options available to you.

1. You can choose to dishonour my offer of payment by non-acceptance, but in doing so you shall ultimately receive no payment, and you will have no legal right to recourse. Please allow me to refer you to the bill of exchange act 1882 section 68;
Payment for honour supra protest; Where the holder of a bill refuses to receive payment supra protest he shall lose his right of recourse against any party who would have been discharged by such payment.

2. You can choose to accept the legal tender I have presented to you, and therefore honour my payment to you, and receive payment.

Should you choose the former position of non-acceptance of my bill of exchange then this would leave you with no right to recourse either legally or otherwise so what you decide to do hereon in is of little concern to me.

Therefore all I expect to hear from you henceforth is confirmation of settlement of my account, which you will send to me within 10 days of the date on this letter if you have not done so after the cut-off point then I shall take it that you wish to stand in dishonour and unfortunately I will therefore have to instruct my bank not to release any funds to you beyond this date.

I expect all representatives of Lamar /Wells Fargo to present the cheque to the WeRe Bank for clearing. Instructions to bank for clearing are attached.

Yours sincerely

I enjoyed her threat to instruct WeRe not to release funds unless she had heard within 10 days that the account was settled.

Someone did point out to her that the 1882 Bills of Exchange Act was British, doesn't apply in the USA. (And anyhow, it doesn't say what she claims it does.)

But admin had said it was a Universal Law, and does apply in the United States. So that's all right then.

[Jeffrey]

Cheque defined: A cheque is a bill of exchange drawn on a banker payable on demand

WeRe bank checks are not "payable on demand", the letter debunks itself.

[morrand]

Here's what I was driving at: when she says

Cheque defined: A cheque is a bill of exchange drawn on a banker payable on demand

my suspicion is that she's attributing more significance to "cheque" vs. "check" than actually exists, and her letter seems to bear that out. That is, a check is just a check, but a cheque is a magical bill of exchange that makes all your debts go away. Hence the emphasis in phrases like:

I am submitting a second US CERTIFIED CHEQUE....

...the cheques I have presented are US cheques and therefore acceptable within ALL US BANKS.

...I have presented the bill of exchange (cheques) to you for Acceptance your legal obligation henceforth is to Now present the bill of exchange (cheque) to the Were bank....

What's interesting is that PoE is not selling it at home exactly that way (nor could he, plausibly), so this may represent an emerging branch of the scheme. (Yes, all right, only in the countries that can't spell "cheque" properly.) The "bill of exchange" scheme has a long history in the US already, so it should not be surprising that something along that line would happen once the Werechecks Werecheques got into the wild over here.

If this is, in fact, what's happening, it suggests that the Werebank scheme is getting out of Peter's control a bit (that, or he really doesn't care as long as he got his £35, which we pretty well know already). It would also fit with a trait that seems to show up often in the sovcit literature: putting too much significance on minor, often trifling, details. This is how we get detailed style guides on what color of ink to use in signing your name, what precise angle to write at when refusing for cause, etc.

I enjoyed her threat to instruct WeRe not to release funds unless she had heard within 10 days that the account was settled.

Someone did point out to her that the 1882 Bills of Exchange Act was British, doesn't apply in the USA. (And anyhow, it doesn't say what she claims it does.)

But admin had said it was a Universal Law, and does apply in the United States. So that's all right then.

Well, some of that crowd also think the Uniform Commercial Code is "universal," and applies in the UK, so I suppose that shouldn't be a surprise. It would be a treat to hear that the leasing company's collections people had sent back a reply citing the Treaty of Paris, though.

[hardcopy]

I like the way because the first cheque failed, she sent a second cheque, I wonder why she thought the second cheque would work ?

[PeanutGallery]

I like the way because the first cheque failed, she sent a second cheque, I wonder why she thought the second cheque would work ?

Has anyone suggested to her the old proverb that declares the "Third times the charm"?

[Wake Up! Productions]

I like the way because the first cheque failed, she sent a second cheque, I wonder why she thought the second cheque would work ?

Has anyone suggested to her the old proverb that declares the "Third times the charm"?

[SirHarryShagnasty]

Has anyone suggested to her the old proverb that declares the "Third times the charm"?[/quote]

Who needs charms when you can call on the cosmic power of Peter's mighty rune?

[Hercule Parrot]

Therefore all I expect to hear from you henceforth is confirmation of settlement of my account, which you will send to me within 10 days of the date on this letter if you have not done so after the cut-off point then I shall take it that you wish to stand in dishonour and unfortunately I will therefore have to instruct my bank not to release any funds to you beyond this date.

Please, someone post a video of this shameless fraudster being booted out onto the street!

[Pox]

Brilliant - so apt!

[Hercule Parrot]

Who needs charms when you can call on the cosmic power of Peter's mighty rune?

Mmmm - the planet-destroying superlaser of the Rune was supposed to have destroyed Quatloos by now. Perhaps Peter of Fraudland has been put onto a pre-pay leccy meter and he can't afford to charge the stellar fuel bottles?