Peter of England: He’s still F RE?

[NYGman]

he didn't send anything to anyone outside of his victims.

He posted it on YouTube, for all the world to see. That should be sufficient notice to the Bank of Ireland. I believe they follow him, under an alias of course

[schismatrix]

I think it's worth posting page 20 of the rebuttal, don't worry I only skimmed it, in it's entirety because it sums up the ignorance, stupidity, arrogance and threats quite nicely:

- BE WARNED –

DO NOT SIGN OR PUT YOUR NAME TO ANY DOCUMENT ISSUED ON BEHALF OF
THE Bank of Ireland or The Central Bank of Ireland, AIB or other banking or financial
institution UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED TO DEFEND YOUR STATEMENTS IN THE
WITNESS BOX OF A CRIMINAL COURT OF LAW.

CHARGES UNDER SOCA 2005 AS WELL AS THE RACKETEERING INFLUENCED
CORRUPT ORGANISATIONS ACT 1970 [RICO] AND THE US PATRIOT ACT 2001
WILL BE FILED AGAINST YOU, YOU ARE ALSO LIABLE FOR CHARGES BEING
BROUGHT AGAINST YOU UNDER INTERNATIONAL CONVENTIOSN AND
TREATIES.

Any correspondence by way of return which evinces the usual arguments that “you fail to
recognize his/her [THE CUSTOMER’S] rights” and claim and that you are proceeding with
the repossession and are “within your legal rights” to proceed will be met with extreme
prejudice.

Your legal corporation will be challenged as well as the signatories/authors and the partners
of said firms will be open to criminal charges being brought against them as outlined supra.

In honour all ways,
Peter of England

[longdog]

But then, he apparently believes there are people who:

ARE UNDER THE SUBLIMINAL CONTROL OF 4TH DIMENSIONAL NON-HUMAN ENTITIES

... so it's not really any surprise he's got history all confuseled (yes, I know that's not a real word, but it's fitting ).

In fact we are all four dimensional beings... Three spatial dimensions plus the fourth dimension of time... Einstein worked this out 100 years ago.

To be fair there might be anywhere from 4 dimensions up to 26+ according to various interpretations of M-Theory, String Theory and Brane Cosmology but four is the absolute minimum for not just 'entities' but anything to exist in this universe.

[Hyrion]

In fact we are all four dimensional beings ...

Granted - but that's not the context I understand when they use the phrase "4th dimension". It's all about context.

[Zeke_the_Meek]

And in the spirit of reposting PoE's Facebook comments here in an effort to preserve them before they get deleted, here's a hilarious little exchange on the latest post.

For added comedy just imagine, for one moment, that WeRe Bank is a legitimate citizen bank or building society and this is a genuine exchange between its CEO and a customer (rightly or wrongly, I've Xd out the personal details that Peter freely posted into a public forum. I guess when he says that WeRe Bank is 'unhackable' and 'transparent', he means that it's pointless hacking the bank because he transparently shares confidential info anyway.)

Michael R Axford I used your bank and checks...not one bank would accept them and I was almost arrested for fraud.....so tell me again what you're trying to do? Its not working......so...please explain

Peter Of England ALMOST IS NOT ARRESTED - THEY WERE SHAKING YOU DOWN...man up and keep it going! More not less is the Victory cry

To use an earlier analogy someone else brilliantly posted (apologies, don't remember who said it) this is like arguing you would have hit the ground at terminal velocity if you hadn't pulled the ripcord, only for someone to argue you were being a pussy for using a parachute and the ground was merely issuing empty threats.

Peter Of England And what do you mean by not working ? Maybe NOT for you but what of others?

What others, Peter? I can't even remember the last time someone even claimed to have a success(!!1!) let alone any verifiable cases of your scam working. Have you even issued a single cheque yet? And if not, why not?

Peter Of England PLUS ACCORDING TO OUR DATABASE......MICHAEL AXFORD of 73XXXX XX Road, Ontario in Canada which is YOU is it not - has not submitted a Promissory Note nor has he received a NOTE BOOK nor has he sent us any fees and so not issued one cheque. What's your point therefore..?

Michael R Axford I tried to cash one of your checks that was written to me by another member of WeRe bank for a debt he owed me. I thought it was a good idea and got started...untill I saw what happened when I tried to cash the check he wrote me ...then I went no further dealing with this bank.

Why Michael thought it was a good idea baffles me, but it's interesting to hear from a private citizen on the other side of a WeRe cheque (albeit with an unsurprising outcome.) Either way, this explains Michael's original complaint in a very succinct manner and as a result, Peter responds in a very level-headed and intelligent way in order to assuage any fears that his bank is any less than genuiHAHAHAHAHA sorry, no:

Peter Of England You will want it more than a heroin fix before WeRe done with you! We don't offer a cheque cashing service either - this is PUBLIC SIDE ReSolution. You took the cheque and you knew full well the opportunity/risk. There's more to you than meets this page.

[Crimebodge]

I've been following these threads for months now and this is the first time I've posted. What I want to know is:

A) Why has Peter of La La Land not had his collar felt?
B) Why have the FCA buried their head in the sand over the Were Bank?
C) Is Peter of La La mentally ill or is he genuinely the messiah of the Freeloaders of the Land?

[Crimebodge]

He meant 'I'm an idiot and I've no idea, but I'll ramble on anyway', but he's in luck he's being helped by another idiot, Applecart, who's telling him to report the debt collector to Action Fraud and call the Police if the bailiffs turn up because........ wait for it..... they don't have an FCA licence to carry out debt collecting. The fact this is NOT a Regulated Consumer Credit debt (it even says 'consumer credit interim' on the link he's provided) and therefore, they don't need an FCA licence appears to have escaped this moron !

http://getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/viewt ... oam9XrfWK0

With this advice, I anticipate a night in the cells soon for poor old Gary

Applecart is not just an idiot, he is a very special type of idiot that goes beyond the call of duty to leave people in a more dire position than they were before listening to Applecarts "advice"



However, the company mentioned "Collectica" are certified enforcement agents (previously called bailiffs) who hold a certificate, granted by a judge at the County Court, which allows them to carry out enforcement action by way of taking control of goods and selling these to recover a debt.

http://certificatedbailiffs.justice.gov ... Collectica

If Gary follows Applecart's "advice", I hope he is familiar with

Constable’s duty to assist enforcement agents -

Section 99, Schedule 7, paragraph 5 of the Courts Act 2003:

5. It is the duty of every constable, at the request of -

a) an enforcement agent or

b) a person acting under the enforcement agent's authority,

to assist the enforcement agent or that person in the execution of a writ.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/39/schedule/7

At the start of Gary's story he mentions "Court" indicating that a judgement has already been obtained and that the Enforcement Officers are in the process of enforcing that Judgement

Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, I think you'll find that Section 99, Schedule 7, paragraph 5 of the Courts Act 2003 is for High Court Enforcement Officers, not county court bailiffs. It also does not give the bailiffs additional powers of entry by wielding the police as a blunt weapon. Nor can the police demand entry or arrest anyone for breach of the peace if they refuse to co-operate with the bailiffs.

That said I would very much like to see what result the OPCAs would achieve by contacting the useless Action Fraud website. The very people who consistently ignored complainants of the Were bank scam.

[notorial dissent]

I've been following these threads for months now and this is the first time I've posted. What I want to know is:

A) Why has Peter of La La Land not had his collar felt?
None of his suckersclients have seen fit to file fraud charges.
B) Why have the FCA buried their head in the sand over the Were Bank?
They've come out and said he's not a bank, I don't know if they even actually have any enforcement power, and apparently UK doesn't have strictly enforced laws against pretending to be a bank, unlike the US which has exactly NO sense of humor about such things.
C) Is Peter of La La mentally ill or is he genuinely the messiah of the Freeloaders of the Land?
That is open to debate, but mostly he's just a very lucky cheap jack con artist who picked his sucker pool very well. Too lazy and too stupid to do anything about it, and basically trying to get something for nothing.

I think that pretty neatly an d concisely sums it up.

[Hyrion]

My suggestions for Michael R Axford:

1) If you were talking to the authorities (police, not bank rep), identify the individual who gave you the cheque as the originator of the cheque. Consider strongly filing criminal charges of Fraud against the individual - definitely speak to someone of appropriate authority to find out what the odds are of a conviction and what evidence is needed for such a conviction. For example:

• Document your efforts to cash the cheque with WeRe Bank, not other banks so that you can have clear proof that the cheque is no good based on the responses of the "bank" that issued the cheque. By that I mean: demand WeRe honor the cheque in sufficient legal funds such as UK Pounds making it clear you do not accept "energy transfer", to cover the Canadian value the cheque is written for.

2) If you wish to cash a cheque, recognize the reality that you can not cash the cheque with WeRe Bank for actual legal funds - you'll get nothing but "universal energy transfer" which basically means you were paid with the sunlight from the next sunny day you experience.

3) Recognize that with being unable to cash the cheque, the cheque is worthless and you have not actually been paid for the product/service you provided to the person who gave you the cheque.

4) Go back to said person, give them the cheque back, and demand payment through some other means. Provide the documented evidence you collected pertaining to WeRe Banks refusal to honor the funds to the individual and ask them to honor their original debt with another form of lawful payment. If you are considering the criminal charges route - make that clear to them if they refuse to honor payment.

5) If you can not afford to take the person to Court in order to settle the debt, then the only value you will get out of the situation (assuming the other person refuses to pay you any other way) is a valuable life lesson not to accept WeRe cheques in the future.

6) If you can afford to take the person to Court, and they continue to refuse paying you, consider helping them learn a life lesson about covering their responsibilities. Also realize it's possible - even in small claims court - that you could end up paying more to enforce then you might collect from the debt, so definitely consider that factor.

[notorial dissent]

If I read this one correctly, it happened in Canada so there should be some fairly realistic and functional things that can be done against the writer of the check. I don't know if stupidity and gullibility on the part of the issuer will go very far with a Canadian court, it probably wouldn't here.

[exiledscouser]

The exchange between Peter and our unfortunate Canadian highlights some interesting features.

The cheque presenter was not apparently a WeRe bank account holder but was the recipient of a cheque from someone who was. Peter mocks him for, in effect his naivety in thinking he was ever going to see cent one.

It demonstrates quite adequately the fate of Anyone trying to negotiate one of these cheques - you won't be paid, period and you can expect to have the CEO take the piss out of you, consequently.

Peter has the chaps full details, name and address and isn't careful one little bit with this database and its contents as he'll readily throw your data out there at the drop of a hat. Quodos to our board member who in reproducing the exchange wisely redacted the full address.

In fact Peter on his own admission has and maintains a large database, not just of his fee-paying suckers but of the cheque recipients. Worrying isn't it.

This is something the Data Commissioner is about to be made aware of.

I thought Burnaby might be able to go see our Canadian friend, get his take on things and me thinking it'd just be a short pop round the corner until I realised the immense distances involved. Geography was never my strong point.

[Burnaby49]

Ontario's just 2,000 or so miles away. Just a hop compared to our coming British trip where we plan to drive up to 150 miles in a single day! I'm not sure if we are up to it.

In 2008 the friend I'm coming to Britain with and I, essentially on a whim, decided to drive to the Casino Tavern in La Crosse Wisconsin from Vancouver. We'd been there on a prior trip and liked the ambience. Then we went down the Mississippi and across to Pensacola Florida so that I could visit the National Naval Aviation Museum. I'm an aircraft fanatic with a deep interest in American naval aircraft. From there we headed west to Mesilla New Mexico to spend a night drinking at the El Patio Bar, a country and western dump I'd had a beer at a few years earlier on a trip with my wife. Liked it, wanted to go again. Then to Vegas and Reno to feed his gambling bug and home. 8,000 miles or so in total.

One thing we did which I doubt any of you readers have done is wade across the Mississippi river. It starts at Lake Itaska in Minnesota. We went to the lake, took our shoes and socks off, splashed across the "river", then started our trip down the Mississippi from there.This picture shows the daunting challenge we faced;

[AndyPandy]

Ontario's just 2,000 or so miles away. Just a hop compared to our coming British trip where we plan to drive up to 150 miles in a single day! I'm not sure if we are up to it.

In 2008 the friend I'm coming to Britain with and I, essentially on a whim, decided to drive to the Casino Tavern in La Crosse Wisconsin from Vancouver. We'd been there on a prior trip and liked the ambience. Then we went down the Mississippi and across to Pensacola Florida so that I could visit the National Naval Aviation Museum. I'm an aircraft fanatic with a deep interest in American naval aircraft. From there we headed west to Mesilla New Mexico to spend a night drinking at the El Patio Bar, a country and western dump I'd had a beer at a few years earlier on a trip with my wife. Liked it, wanted to go again. Then to Vegas and Reno to feed his gambling bug and home. 8,000 miles or so in total.

One thing we did which I doubt any of you readers have done is wade across the Mississippi river. It starts at Lake Itaska in Minnesota. We went to the lake, took our shoes and socks off, splashed across the "river", then started our trip down the Mississippi from there.This picture shows the daunting challenge we faced;

Given the state of the U.K. Roads and volume of traffic it would probably take you the same amount of time to do 150 as 2000 in Canada !

[Burnaby49]

I've been mapping our routes using Google maps and noted the inordinate amount of time it advises that it will take to traverse trivial distances. Not that we are without experience. This will be our seventh driving/pubbing trip to Britain since 2002. What can I say, we like craft ale.

My family, wife, two sons and me, took a driving trip through England in 2000. An aunt and uncle of mine (mother's sister) invited us to lunch at a restaurant less than 100 miles from where we were staying. So, to be safe, we planned about 2 1/2 hours for travel time. We were close to an hour late. Our downfall was farm equipment driving down single lane roads. Aunt and uncle took it in stride. They knew the story.

[Jeffrey]

You took the cheque and you knew full well the opportunity/risk.

HE KNEW THE RISK THAT PETER WOULDN'T HONOR THE CHEQUE!?!?1?

The fact that Peter isn't a jail yet is a travesty. Michael for the love of god, go to the police.

[Zeke_the_Meek]

Michael Axford appears to be as dumb as whoever gave him a WeRe Cheque. Dumber, in fact - the cheque issuer at least managed to fob his way out of whatever debt he had with Mikey.

Sorry Peter Of England when my bank called to confirm the check was real they never ever got though...neither did I. I called the number on the check and British phone service says it was a cell phone number...explain that Peter.....? please.

Wakey wakey, Michael. It's not a real cheque. You'd think this would have sunk in after the verbal abuse Peter dished out earlier when you questioned him, but sure, try grovelling. That might work.

[noblepa]

Ontario's just 2,000 or so miles away. Just a hop compared to our coming British trip where we plan to drive up to 150 miles in a single day! I'm not sure if we are up to it.

In 2008 the friend I'm coming to Britain with and I, essentially on a whim, decided to drive to the Casino Tavern in La Crosse Wisconsin from Vancouver. We'd been there on a prior trip and liked the ambience. Then we went down the Mississippi and across to Pensacola Florida so that I could visit the National Naval Aviation Museum. I'm an aircraft fanatic with a deep interest in American naval aircraft. From there we headed west to Mesilla New Mexico to spend a night drinking at the El Patio Bar, a country and western dump I'd had a beer at a few years earlier on a trip with my wife. Liked it, wanted to go again. Then to Vegas and Reno to feed his gambling bug and home. 8,000 miles or so in total.

If you're ever driving south through the US, you might enjoy a stop at the US Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio. Its mostly Air Force aircraft, but it is an amazing collection. They have B-1, B-52, B-57 bombers, as well as "Bock's Car" the aircraft that dropped the atom bomb on Nagasaki. In a remote hanger, they have a collection of aircraft that have served as Air Force 1. And its all free. Plan to spend a full day.

[Crimebodge]

The fact that Peter isn't a jail yet is a travesty. Michael for the love of god, go to the police.

The police will do nothing about this and will simply tell you to go to the bank. The bank will in turn tell you to go to the police. A common volley of buck passing that routinely occurs in such fraud cases. Considering the police have a two day average to respond to burglaries in England, it's fairly obvious what lukewarm response they will give to something that falls totally outside of their skillset (or motivation) to investigate.

It's the FCA that should be held to account in all this. They DO have the power to bring a private prosecution. In fact, any of us here in the UK could bring a private prosecution against POE if we were so inclined. Given the evidence already amassed it would be fairly straightforward to lay an information against him with any magistrate in England and Wales on an almost endless list of offences.

The fact is that the FCA are dodging their responsibilities and putting the recipients of the cheques at risk. I find myself being more riled by those that staff those toothless corridors of ombudsman tokenism than at shysters like POE.

From the FCA website:

Criminal proceedings
We have the power to prosecute several specific offences relating to regulated activities. Some of these are 'summary only' and can only be dealt with by the magistrates courts. Others are 'indictable' and can be heard in the Crown Court where a jury will decide the verdict. Yet other offences are 'either way' and may be heard in a magistrates court or the Crown Court. Some of the offences are punishable only by a fine, others carry a maximum penalty of seven years imprisonment. The offences cover a range of misconduct including:

falsely claiming to be FCA authorised;
carrying on a regulated activity without authorisation;
making misleading statements to induce investments; and
failing to co-operate with FCA investigations.
Other authorities also have the power to prosecute these offences, including the Crown Prosecution Service. We regularly work with the police and other prosecuting authorities in criminal investigations.

Amongst other powers, we also prosecute Friendly Societies for a range of offences.

Civil and criminal
In some cases it will be appropriate for us to take both civil and criminal action. For example, we could take civil proceedings to secure assets, to obtain compensation for victims, and to prevent any further misconduct. We could then follow these by criminal proceedings to enable the Courts to deal with an offender for the misconduct which has already taken place.

[Burnaby49]

If you're ever driving south through the US, you might enjoy a stop at the US Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio. Its mostly Air Force aircraft, but it is an amazing collection. They have B-1, B-52, B-57 bombers, as well as "Bock's Car" the aircraft that dropped the atom bomb on Nagasaki. In a remote hanger, they have a collection of aircraft that have served as Air Force 1. And its all free. Plan to spend a full day.

I spent two days. When I said "We'd been there on a prior trip and liked the ambience" the prior trip was to Wright-Patterson. Landed in Chicago and rented a car. Did Dayton then south to Tennessee. Then back up to Chicago via the Mississippi to La Cross and the Casino Tavern. The Wright-Patterson was the purpose of the whole trip. You left out the key reason I went. I had to see the B-70 bomber and the only one left is in the middle of Ohio.

[Footloose52]

I spent two days. When I said "We'd been there on a prior trip and liked the ambience" the prior trip was to Wright-Patterson. Landed in Chicago and rented a car. Did Dayton then south to Tennessee. Then back up to Chicago via the Mississippi to La Cross and the Casino Tavern. The Wright-Patterson was the purpose of the whole trip. You left out the key reason I went. I had to see the B-70 bomber and the only one left is in the middle of Ohio.

With 360 aircraft and missiles in total (some in storage), some of which you will not see elsewhere in the world, that seems like a superb place to visit. I'm now trying to work out how I have missed out despite having been to the States several times.

I've got to find a reason to return now ....