"The Verdict"
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"The Verdict"
The Turner movie channel ran "The Verdict" recently. Great movie, Jack Warden was the strongest performance IMO, among the many strong actors in it. There are not many movies featuring trials like this. Have any lawyers on this forum seen theatrics as both lawyers and the judge engaged in? Bending the rules to the breaking point, or is that just entertainment? On the final decisive witness, how is it that her testimony could be struck from the record since her role as a rebuttal to the record, and as a surprise witness? Thanks.
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Re: "The Verdict"
The courtroom stuff is very unrealistic. And, for a Prince Of Darkness, James Mason does a really bad cross.
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Re: "The Verdict"
Despite its tremendous popularity, THE VERDICT showed an incredible absence of professional ethics.
Jack Warden gives his inept alcoholic friend, Paul Newman, a client as an act of charity (to Newman, not the client).
James Mason (the opposing lawyer) is paying an associate of Newman to spy on him.
Paul Newman breaks into someone's mailbox and steals the mail.
A doctor is scheduled to be an expert witness and deliberately disappears just before the trial begins (presumably bribed by Mason to do so).
The best evidence rule is turned on its head by Mason with the cooperation of the judge.
One thing that may well be realistic: Faced with a major lawsuit, the defendant corporation (a hospital) gears up with a major public relations campaign to swamp the locality and brainwash the entire jury pool.
Jack Warden gives his inept alcoholic friend, Paul Newman, a client as an act of charity (to Newman, not the client).
James Mason (the opposing lawyer) is paying an associate of Newman to spy on him.
Paul Newman breaks into someone's mailbox and steals the mail.
A doctor is scheduled to be an expert witness and deliberately disappears just before the trial begins (presumably bribed by Mason to do so).
The best evidence rule is turned on its head by Mason with the cooperation of the judge.
One thing that may well be realistic: Faced with a major lawsuit, the defendant corporation (a hospital) gears up with a major public relations campaign to swamp the locality and brainwash the entire jury pool.
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Re: "The Verdict"
I been sucked into American Crime Story and Making a Murderer lately. No offense, but murder cases are way more interesting than tax cases.
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Re: "The Verdict"
Can the currently practicing lawyers here suggest any courtroom or legal movies which are at all realistic?
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The only thing I liked about The Verdict is that I recognized the scenes filmed in the Massachusetts State House.
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I saw the movie some time ago. I thought it was an entertaining movie. Of course it wasn't realistic.....it was a movie.
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Re: "The Verdict"
IMHO movies don't do a very good job of depicting trials, mainly because movies are a stream-of-consciousness experience meant to capture and hold an audiences attention over a couple of hours while actual trials (both civil and criminal) are often undramatic and tedious.Pottapaug1938 wrote:Can the currently practicing lawyers here suggest any courtroom or legal movies which are at all realistic?
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Re: "The Verdict"
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I've served on several juries, both civil and criminal cases. It's fortunate for both the prosecution and defense attornies that no firearms are permitted in the court house.Judge Roy Bean wrote:IMHO movies don't do a very good job of depicting trials, mainly because movies are a stream-of-consciousness experience meant to capture and hold an audiences attention over a couple of hours while actual trials (both civil and criminal) are often AT BEST undramatic and tedious.Pottapaug1938 wrote:Can the currently practicing lawyers here suggest any courtroom or legal movies which are at all realistic?
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Re: "The Verdict"
Here is a list of significant US courtroom trial movies: http://www.listal.com/list/trial-movies
And as pointed out real life is far less entertaining than fictional drama or movies based loosely on fact. Hail Mary witnesses are probably as rare as getting hit by a meteor.
And as pointed out real life is far less entertaining than fictional drama or movies based loosely on fact. Hail Mary witnesses are probably as rare as getting hit by a meteor.
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Re: "The Verdict"
I have long had the pipedream of working up a screenplay of The Trial of Clay Shaw -- the same case (involving the assassination of JFK) that was completely twisted up in Oliver Stone's JFK (1991, starring Kevin Costner). An honest telling would show how a completely innocent man is hounded and nearly convicted by a sociopathic prosecutor, willing to use fake evidence and delusional witnesses to make a name for himself.
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Re: "The Verdict"
McMartin?fortinbras wrote:An honest telling would show how a completely innocent man is hounded and nearly convicted by a sociopathic prosecutor, willing to use fake evidence and delusional witnesses to make a name for himself.
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Re: "The Verdict"
These days incompetent prosecutors and judges can get identified and scheduled for disciplinary action quickly. As bad as Garrison's actions were, I would side with the conspiracy theories on Kennedy.
'There are two kinds of injustice: the first is found in those who do an injury, the second in those who fail to protect another from injury when they can.' (Roman. Cicero, De Off. I. vii)
'Choose loss rather than shameful gains.' (Chilon Fr. 10. Diels)
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