Tom Crawford is on the roof of Fearn Close !!!

[Bungle]

Tom looked really ill in the video

Anyway, live link is up at;

http://bambuser.com/channel/Joe_Public

If Tom thought that he was going to gain hundreds of supporters, he couldn't be further from the truth.

I checked the live stream a few moments ago and there can't be more than twelve onlookers left. The realisation that his former house will never be his and Sue's again must have been gnawing away in his head.

[Bones]

Amanda Pike
1 hr

Here I have listed what my Dad is asking for.

Things he and my Mother have been asking for, for YEARS. THINGS THAT ARE NOT UNREASONABLE FOR THEM TO HAVE AND THINGS THAT THEY ARE FULLY ENTITLED TO HAVE COPIES OF AND SEE when their home has been STOLEN. All of these things unless they can be produced and shown, HAVE to be in full order.
When they are not in existence, or fraudulent this makes the whole thing a criminal activity and FRAUD. My family need HELP.

MY FAMILY HOME HAS BEEN STOLEN. here is what my Father requires.

1- PRODUCE THE ORGINAL CONTRACT THAT MY MOTHER AND FATHER ARE PURPORTED TO HAVE SIGNED. this is to prove that it has not been securitized and that the bank didnt get paid many times over already, an action which is AGAINST THE LAW.

2- MY FATHER AND MOTHER REQUIRE TO SEE THE CONSIDERATION, what did the Bank put up? did the Bank give them money? hard cash, so they could charge them interest? if so let my family see this paperwork as they have been asking to see for years.

3-MY FATHER REQUIRES TO SEE THE ACCOUNTS, THE ON AND OFF BOOK KEEPING ETC OF BRADFORD AND BINGLEY, to prove that they DO NOT owe any debt, and that in fact at the end of their 25 years there were never any arrears they actually paid them more then they owed initally. Their mortgage is FULLY PAID.

4- PROOF OF THE FEE PAID, A fee HAS TO BE PAID to iniciate the whole action against my Mother and Father. NO STEP MAY BE TAKEN UNLESS ONE HAS BEEN PAID, if it was not it was FRAUDULANT AND CRIMINAL FROM THE BEGINNING.

5-MY FATHER WOUD LIKE TO SEE THE NOTICE OF ISSUE, to prove that it is ENTERED INTO THE COURT SYSTEM AND NOT A PRIVATE COURT ( STAR CHAMBER) THAT DOES NOT REALLY EXSIST, again something that for some strange reason is refused tO My family time and time again. SO PRODUCE IT.

6-MY FATHER AND MOTHER WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT DOCUMENTATION WAS USED TO APPLY FOR A WARRANT FOR THE PROPERTY, 3 FEARN CHASE CARLTON NOTTINGHAM, NG4 1DN THE HOME OF THE CRAWFORDS- because in January at the roof top 6+1 trial it was proven that the documents provided by the cps purporting to have been used in our stolen home were NOT REAL COURT DOCUMENTS.This was noted by the Crown court Judge himself.

7- THE WARRANT. A crown court judge ordered the warrant for 8 days and no warrant came, he sent the police to get it even and take it back escorted, but no warrant came, what was produced as stated before were NOT a real court documents. THEY CANNOT PRODUCE ONE BECAUSUE ONE DOES NOT EXSIST BECASUE THIS WHOLE THINGS IS ONE BIG CRIME.

NOTTINGHAM POLICE....START INVESTIGATING THE CRIME THAT HAS BEEN COMMITED AGAINST Mr Crawford and his family, stop assisting a crime, whether you have been lied to or not this is not going away and neither is our evidence. Help the Crawfords now, do your jobs. Surly if you are real and law abiding you to would want to stop it and not assist in such matters and prove that you too were lied to, not that you actually HELPED IN A CRIME!???

All of the things mentioned above are things that we are entitled to, you also need to look at whether or not they are in the prescribed form, because so far not one single thing has been if it exsists at all, which makes them null and void, why is this? BECAUSE IT IS A CRIME AND THEY ARE COVERING IT UP AND USING YOUR IGNORANCE TO THEIR GAIN TO LINE THEIR FLITHY POCKETS.

ALL WE WANT IS OUR HOME BACK that we can prove without a shadow of a doubt HAS BEEN STOLEN.

PLEASE SHARE THIS AND DADS VIDEO GUYS, WE NEED AS MUCH HELP AS WE CAN GET LETS GET THIS GLOBAL, ITS SO UNFAIR, imagine waking up one dayaftr 48 years of working and paying your way fully to find out you have nothing left an its all be done with such violence. Thank you all so much you mean the world to us as ever.

Dad would NOT be doing this unless he HAD to, and clearly he would NOT be doing this unless he could prove that all we have been saying is true. THANK YOU xxxx

[Bones]

Proof that Amanda and Craig are really dumb and dumber

Im not getting into a debate its factually correct thoes who are involed directly with the stealing of our home ARE TERRORISTS. this is a fact, end of. This is our family page, theres other places you can go if you disagree with us but that is not here, thoes plonkers Out there that do not believe us and like to spout crap are enitled to their ideas, we dont care, knock your socks off, but not in here, WE HAVE NOT LIED WE HAVE BEEN ROBBED AND ABUSED AND TERRORISED and we can prove so. No offence is intended by this reply but my father is 100% correct. No more nagative comments or I will delete them, we need support not put downs, until you have your home unlawfully stolen you will not understand, you cannot, but i promise you others like us who have will concur with my father that it is indeed terrorism.

Imogen Romano Hi! I'm Craig smile emoticon If you've worked for a home, paid in full.. that you've raised three children in.. full of memories...

Then days after your mother dies... 200 police turn up wioth 40 bailiffs, whilst your dying dog can't even get to the vets beause the bastards won't allow it, smash your door in, film you half clothed...

DRAG YOU off of your own land, without a shred of paperwork being shown..

THEN a removal company come and take all your worldly belongings, throwing them about like nothing.. Including the items you had that belonged to your recently passed mother...

Then board the place up and try and charge you £98,000 extra for the work!!!

THEN arrest my father on false allegations which he won in court smile emoticon

I'd say that's terrorising my parents... Wouldn't you? frown emoticon

[Pox]

'£98,000 extra for the work ' - according to Craig - wow, a lot worse than I thought.

No wonder Tom looks ill.

Would that be 98k on top of the original loan plus interest?

If so, 98k for what? Seems a bit steep to me.

[noblepa]

Hasn't Amanda been posting lately that she has a copy of the warrant, but it is a county court warrant and not a high court warrant (as if that makes a difference)? Wasn't that what she was going on about "we have the Unicorn, but it has no horn"?

And as for criminal charges, an earlier poster said that trespass was a civil, not criminal offence. I'm certainly not an expert on UK law, but, here in the states, it can be simple trespass or criminal trespass, depending on the circumstances. Is that not true on the eastern side of the pond? I have no idea if what Tom has done (so far) rises to the level of criminal trespass or not.

I'm sure, as other posters who have pointed out that, if this DOES result in a criminal charge and IF it goes to trial, the court will not entertain for a moment any discussions of Tom's problems with B & B, or his previous suits. The court will start from the FACT that the property is no longer Tom's and proceed from there. Any attempt to argue that the house was stolen from him will be deemed to be totally irrelevant to the criminal charge.

[Jeffrey]

For the sake of avoiding any criminal liability:

I was joking when I told the Crawfords to break into the house again.

[mufc1959]

'£98,000 extra for the work ' - according to Craig - wow, a lot worse than I thought.

No wonder Tom looks ill.

Would that be 98k on top of the original loan plus interest?

If so, 98k for what? Seems a bit steep to me.

A standard mortgage possession case, defended by the borrower, which results in, say, two or three court hearings, then an application for a warrant, various applications to suspend the warrant, an eventual repossession with the attendance of a court bailiff, a locksmith and an agent for the mortgage lender, then the need to have the property properly valued (at least two independent valuations by local agents), the appointment of solicitors and estate agents to sell the property, possibly the need to appoint asset managers if the property's unsold for a while or the borrower's being difficult and/or alleging the property's being allowed to deteriorate - you're looking at costs of probably around £20,000 over a period of 6-9 months, if you take into account all the solicitors' costs, court fees, third party fees, and interest continuing to accrue against the outstanding loan until the property's eventually sold ... So £98K for the Crawford fiasco is no surprise to me.

[Pox]

For the sake of avoiding any criminal liability:

I was joking when I told the Crawfords to break into the house again.

I don't recall that you did, but I do recall that others predicted that he would.

[noblepa]

'£98,000 extra for the work ' - according to Craig - wow, a lot worse than I thought.

No wonder Tom looks ill.

Would that be 98k on top of the original loan plus interest?

If so, 98k for what? Seems a bit steep to me.

Some time ago, someone did a "back of the envelope" calculation. It was something like principle and interest owed - net proceeds of sale + security costs between eviction and sale + legal fees incurred by the bank.

Wasn't it two years between the time he stopped paying his mortgage and the eviction/sale? An awfully lot of accrued interest can build up in that time. I think I remember that the principle balance was on the order of 43,000 pounds. In two years, probably another 20,000 in interest. I believe that the house sold for less than 50k. The bank would have to subtract auction fees and other cost of the sale from the proceeds

How stupid does one have to be to not understand that an interest-only loan leaves you owing just as much in twenty years as you did on day 1?

[longdog]

Amanda Pike

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Dad would NOT be doing this unless he HAD to, and clearly he would NOT be doing this unless he could prove that all we have been saying is true. THANK YOU xxxx

Never mind the minor detail that he's already made these arguments and they have been dismissed by the courts as being totally without merit.

[notorial dissent]

More lies on top of lies, the Crawfraud way.

[Bones]

all over he came down

[mufc1959]

If what Amanda says is correct and Tom can prove he is in the right (and, to be clear, I am not suggesting for a second that he is anything but very, very wrong), why are there these constant demands for documents to be produced to prove their case?

I feel sorry for the neighbours in Fearn Chase. They must have thought that this was over once the property was again re-sold and was boarded up. The new owners should have refurbished it and rented it out immediately.

Squatting in residential premises is a criminal offence. Tom should know this by now.

[Jeffrey]

Few things popped out in the pre-break-in video.

1. Says he won in civil court.
2. He's shifted to securitization arguments.
3. He's repeating the same shit Amanda said in her Facebook post. Odds of Amanda being charged as accomplice/accessory?

[Bones]

Amanda Pike
13 mins

7- THE WARRANT. A crown court judge ordered the warrant for 8 days and no warrant came, he sent the police to get it even and take it back escorted, but no warrant came, what was produced as stated before were NOT a real court documents. THEY CANNOT PRODUCE ONE BECAUSUE ONE DOES NOT EXSIST BECASUE THIS WHOLE THINGS IS ONE BIG CRIME.

[Pox]

'£98,000 extra for the work ' - according to Craig - wow, a lot worse than I thought.

No wonder Tom looks ill.

Would that be 98k on top of the original loan plus interest?

If so, 98k for what? Seems a bit steep to me.

A standard mortgage possession case, defended by the borrower, which results in, say, two or three court hearings, then an application for a warrant, various applications to suspend the warrant, an eventual repossession with the attendance of a court bailiff, a locksmith and an agent for the mortgage lender, then the need to have the property properly valued (at least two independent valuations by local agents), the appointment of solicitors and estate agents to sell the property, possibly the need to appoint asset managers if the property's unsold for a while or the borrower's being difficult and/or alleging the property's being allowed to deteriorate - you're looking at costs of probably around £20,000 over a period of 6-9 months, if you take into account all the solicitors' costs, court fees, third party fees, and interest continuing to accrue against the outstanding loan until the property's eventually sold ... So £98K for the Crawford fiasco is no surprise to me.

Thanks for this - I remember the previous fag packet calcs and what you say makes sense - but I am still shocked - what an idiot/ stubborn fool Tom is.

Are you saying £98k including the original loan an though?

[Bones]

Amanda Pike
13 mins


1- PRODUCE THE ORGINAL CONTRACT THAT MY MOTHER AND FATHER ARE PURPORTED TO HAVE SIGNED. this is to prove that it has not been securitized and that the bank didnt get paid many times over already, an action which is AGAINST THE LAW.

Purported to have signed ? Really ????



Nothing purported about that

[FatGambit]

If what Amanda says is correct and Tom can prove he is in the right (and, to be clear, I am not suggesting for a second that he is anything but very, very wrong), why are there these constant demands for documents to be produced to prove their case?

I feel sorry for the neighbours in Fearn Chase. They must have thought that this was over once the property was again re-sold and was boarded up. The new owners should have refurbished it and rented it out immediately.

Squatting in residential premises is a criminal offence. Tom should know this by now.

But, but he's sitting on the roof, that's not in the premises....

/sarcasm

[Bones]

Amanda Pike

2- MY FATHER AND MOTHER REQUIRE TO SEE THE CONSIDERATION, what did the Bank put up? did the Bank give them money? hard cash, so they could charge them interest? if so let my family see this paperwork as they have been asking to see for years.

Amanda / Tom see the word "advance"



Do you idiots really think that the people that lived there before you, didn't receive payment and gave you the property for free ?

[Bones]

Amanda Pike

4- PROOF OF THE FEE PAID, A fee HAS TO BE PAID to iniciate the whole action against my Mother and Father. NO STEP MAY BE TAKEN UNLESS ONE HAS BEEN PAID, if it was not it was FRAUDULANT AND CRIMINAL FROM THE BEGINNING.

Non-payment of fee

54. Mr Crawford says that there is no record of any fee being paid for the commencement of these proceedings on the court’s Caseman record system. The proceedings were issued online via PCOL (Possession Claims On-Line). Without the fee there is no valid claim.

55. I do not agree. I would not expect a fee paid through the Online claims system to appear on Caseman. The PCOL system is largely automated and the claim form will not be generated unless fees criteria are met.

56. Furthermore there is no separate fee for a possession hearing. Once the claim is issued via PCOL there is no further possession hearing fee to record on Caseman.

57. Sanctions for non-payment of certain court fees is provided for in CPR 3.7. This provides for service of notices requiring payment of certain specified fees failing which an automatic strike out follows. No such notice was sent out in this case. That is because there was no fee due in respect of any step identified in CPR 3.7 (a) – (e).

58. Furthermore proceedings are not invalidated by failure to pay a fee. If that were so there would be no need to provide separately for strike out under CPR 3.7 – if the proceedings were invalidated for lack of a fee in the first place there would be nothing to strike out. For proceedings to be struck out for failure to pay a fee there must be a court order to that effect. There is none here.

59. Mr Crawford has provided me with a copy of the transcript of a hearing before District Judge Mitchell in Hereford where the failure to pay a fee was fatal to a party (Kidswelllaw Solicitors Ltd v Bebnowicz-Harris[2013]). However in that case there was order to the effect that a judgment would be set aside if a signed defence and counterclaim were served and a court fee paid. Absent evidence of payment of that fee, judgment was not set aside. That is an example of a court order imposing sanctions for failure to pay a fee. There is no such order here, nor any basis that I can see for one to be made.

60. I should add also that I consider that the authority and validity of a court order comes from the judge. Where a judge makes an order then that order stands until set-aside by a further order. Its validity is not dependant on whether a fee was or was not paid at some stage during the process.

61. Whilst I acknowledge that an order would not be valid if a judge had no power or jurisdiction to make the order, that is not the position here. These were mortgage possession proceedings. The County Court has jurisdiction to deal with such proceedings and District Judges with Deputy District Judges are empowered to exercise that jurisdiction of the County Court