Random Freemanesque Babblings from idiots unable to sustain their own thread

[notorial dissent]

[Gregg]

I love those rare situations when the correct grammar is incorrect grammar.

[wserra]

If so, what it is it with Freemen and being Vegan. They give the rest of us vegans a bad name!

They mean something different by "Vegan".

[Firthy2002]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/5311314 ... 073418420/

FOR ALL INTERESTED PARTIES:
LOBO LOANS - THE FIGHTBACK!
Whatdotheyknow has evidenced conclusively that many if not all county councils have procured unethical & unlawful loans called LOBOs. Some of you may already be aware of the Dispatches special that aired last year entitled "how councils blow your millions" which was a complete expose. Now the organisation Debt Resistance UK have taken up the task (along with myself & others) to hold our councillors to account with the aim of getting a high court declaration on the basis that these loans are indeed unlawful and are costing the taxpayer millions that could have been spent on local services, public sector wages & infrastructure.
If you are interested in taking part, you have until the 11th of August to lodge your complaint, a template version of which I have enclosed below, for the attention of your respective CFO and auditor:
Any questions, please ask below.
Dear XXX,
Pursuant to the public inspection notice RE: statement of accounts for 2015/16;
Can I please request the following in my capacity as a government elector?
The statement of accounts, including;
The narrative report and the annual government statement. (normally included in the above).
Can you also please provide answers to the following three questions pertaining to the accounts?
1. On how many occasions has XXX County Council’s LOBO (Lender Option, Borrower option) loan portfolio been restructured?
Please provide financial and accountancy advice on restructuring of LOBOs and receipts/records of broker fees.
2. How does XXX County Council monitor the exit/break cost to enable early repayment of its LOBO loan portfolio on a rolling basis? How is this cost presented in the annual accounts?
3. Please would you provide the “advice note” provided by XXX Council’s Treasury Management Advisors detailing the current market value of XXX County Council’s LOBO loan portfolio.
The reason for my asking these questions is that I am already aware that several LOBO loans have indeed been taken out by XXX, and I would like to request a public interest report into these items specifically on the accounts, with a view to request a high court declaration on the basis that these items within the account are potentially unlawful.
This is a serious matter that effects all local taxpayers not least because now up to 80% of council tax revenue's collected
are being used to service the interest on these exorbitant loans which as I've already alluded to, are potentially unlawful and should be rejected with cause.
You can also find more information:
- on whatdotheyknow.com https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/lobo_loans_106…
- on the debt resistance website lada.debtresistance.uk
- in this booklet (a bit out of date): https://issuu.com/…/docs/16.02.09_lada_ ... ised_final
- watching this Channel 4 dispatches documentary: http://www.channel4.com/prog…/dispatche ... /61629-001
I very much appreciate your acting in the public interest and providing me with the information requested.
I look forward to your response.

I doubt many of these will yield what they are wanting.

[notorial dissent]

I'm not even sure what it is they are wanting.

[ArthurWankspittle]

Had a quick read of LOBO loans. They appear to be the only (or were at some point) borrowing instrument available to English local authorities. The issue that has arisen is that apparently some Council type persons have taken out LOBO loans with some city type persons and, apparently totally unexpectedly, the city types got a favourable deal and made some money out of it. I'll bet that these deals can't be changed except by legislation or ministerial intervention at the minimum. All these idiots can do about it is put pressure on the relevant politicians. Beyond one of them obtaining and publishing the actual figures per Local Authority they are wasting resources.

[littleFred]

Oh dear, oh dear.

I'm a support worker and my client had two letters from fidelite credit management claiming he owed British gas money for gas an electric . After doing a bit of googling I decided (perhaps wrongly?) to ignore them. Fidelite then sent a 'representative' around to my client's home. He didnt answer the door and the 'representative' then post the third letter through his door ratcheting up the threats

Am I now correct that I should now start the three letter process? Should I be doing something else?

Thanks

As I understand it, a "support worker" is employed by a local authority to assist people who are unable due to physical and/or mental problems to help themselves. In these modern times, such people are encouraged to lead as normal lives as possible, including living in their own homes with the usual responsibilities, and being given money by the authority to spend as they need or wish.

So the client may have a poor understanding of managing money and utility bills and so on. The support worker should assist them to deal with such issues. I don't know to what extent the support worker should (or is allowed to) take decisions on behalf of the client.

Of course, it is possible that evil thieving grasping British Gas invented charges to which they were not entitled, and/or evil thieving grasping Fidelite Credit Management have taken on a debt without the correct paperwork and so on.

However it is also possible that the client doesn't realise that electricity and gas need paying for, and simply didn't pay the bills.

So, the question is, will Tiggy and Faljay take their usual approach, and encourage the support worker to encourage the client down a route that neither support worker nor client understand? Even though this route is fundamentally dishonest, and liable to damage the client?

[Firthy2002]

Nothing good ever comes with posting on GOODF for advice.

[longdog]

I would've thought the correct procedure in those circumstances would be for the support worker to refer the client to a specialist worker or organisation that deals with debt not ask some random muppets on the internet for advice.

[grixit]

It sounds to me as if "support worker" in Britain is equivalent to "social worker" here in the US. Some social workers are paid, they are actual employees of local government, and some are volunteers. I think in some venues some are doing community service. Assuming it is equivalent, then i would not be surprised that someone got in who thinks that a self proclaimed debt elimination organization is more helpful than the actual procedures in that heavy bureaucratese laden manual they were given.

On the other hand, we already have soverthings declaring themselves to be judges and witnesses and kings and presidents, so why not social workers?

[#six]

It sounds to me as if "support worker" in Britain is equivalent to "social worker" here in the US. Some social workers are paid, they are actual employees of local government, and some are volunteers. I think in some venues some are doing community service. Assuming it is equivalent, then i would not be surprised that someone got in who thinks that a self proclaimed debt elimination organization is more helpful than the actual procedures in that heavy bureaucratese laden manual they were given.

On the other hand, we already have soverthings declaring themselves to be judges and witnesses and kings and presidents, so why not social workers?

A support worker is not a social worker. Social worker is a highly regulated position. You will normally be educated to degree level and have to undergo a lot of training. A support worker on the other hand usually has lighter regulation and only requires basic qualifications. Whilst some experienced support workers can take on the role of a social worker, the majority of them help vulnerable adults with basic life skills. There is no professional body (as far as I know) for support workers and therefore they cannot get struck off as such, unlike social workers.

[ArthurWankspittle]

Having had to look into this recently, some large bailiff firms have "Support Workers" to deal with cases involving vulnerable clients so it could be that being referred to.

[Normal Wisdom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X75BjQL6YBE
I have come across this guy on youtube a few times his videos are just rambling babble mainly about council tax filled with the usual freeman crap. But he seems to have come to the end of his council tax holiday as the police have turned up to take him to court and the dialog between him and the arresting officer is priceless.

I finally got round to looking at a few of this guy's videos. He seems mainly harmless and his rebellion doesn't seem to go much further than refusing to pay his council tax, incessantly writing to various senior public servants and posting multiple rambling YouTube videos (always in the company of a can of beer).

He has continued to insist that the "bailiff" that wanted to take him to court in the above video had no power of arrest and broke the law by refusing to take his foot out of the door until the police arrived. He is still banging on about this now as well as alleging that he was threatened with arrest under the "domestic violence" law - a "fact" which he mentions in one of his recent letters to some unfortunate person in the police's Professional Standards" department. In one of his later videos he reveals that after being taken to court by the police where it seems he paid his CT he was immediately "ambushed" by three other police officers who gave him a formal caution in respect of threats to a member of Marston's staff in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFB7DNm5Wrs

I couldn't help noticing that Chris Green, the Marston's employee actually explains that his authority to execute an arrest warrant from the court comes from the "Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act 2004, Schedule 4a". Sure enough, two minutes spent checking this reveals this to be correct:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/28/schedule/4

Just for the hell of it although with little or no hope of success, I pointed this out to Mr Dakers in the comments section of one of his videos - with predictable results:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXpItRIJbc

[AndyPandy]

someone with their fingers in their ears and their head up their backside chanting nah nah na na na is never going to hear you

[Firthy2002]

Just for the hell of it although with little or no hope of success, I pointed this out to Mr Dakers in the comments section of one of his videos - with predictable results:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXXpItRIJbc

Y'know I think he might just get that civil suit for slander...as the defendant!

[Hercule Parrot]

In one of his later videos he reveals that after being taken to court by the police where it seems he paid his CT he was immediately "ambushed" by three other police officers who gave him a formal caution in respect of threats to a member of Marston's staff in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFB7DNm5Wrs

Small but important point of clarification. Police cannot 'give' a Caution to anyone, they can only offer it. It is entirely the choice of the suspect whether to accept the Caution (which includes signing a form which admits to the offence/s), or to decline and have their day in court.

[Forsyth]

Small but important point of clarification. Police cannot 'give' a Caution to anyone, they can only offer it. It is entirely the choice of the suspect whether to accept the Caution (which includes signing a form which admits to the offence/s), or to decline and have their day in court.

The term "caution" can be ambiguous as well. It can mean nothing more than "words of advice" (this one caused much chaos and mirth when a media report referred to police as "cautioning" some small children a while ago). It can also be used to mean the reading-of-your-rights that happens after someone is arrested or before a statement is taken.

For the benefit of the non-UK readers, the final meaning of a caution is a method of dealing with minor offences where the police release the person immediately after an admission of guilt, and is the usual interpretation of a "formal police caution". Whether this is the use in the video is another matter. Some people do seem to have a habit of redefining terms to suit their own meaning and it would be entirely possible to give someone words of advice that are recorded and explicit and could be considered to be in a "formal" manner. Similarly, some people might consider the way their rights are read to them to be "formal", particularly if this happens in a police station where it may be recorded on tape or with signatures and witnesses to ensure it can be proved later.

Formal police cautions have a somewhat dubious reputation as they are also frequently used where there is little evidence of guilt but where the person involved is told that if they reject the caution then the case will go to court where a significant punishment and public exposure could result. In practice, in many cases where a caution is rejected the police drop the case. In the past, many people who accepted a caution were not aware that it would be recorded on their record and could be disclosed later as part of checks for employment - people are meant to be better informed of the consequences today, whether that actual happens or is fully understood is debatable.

Formal cautions serve a useful purpose when guilt is obvious and admitted and the offence is minor and mainly due to stupidity. They are badly used when the police are fishing for a conviction without evidence and an innocent accused simply wants to get back to their family and their job as quickly as possible and is unaware of the future implications.

[littleFred]

I missed this example of Faljay's ignorant legal advice, this time about appealing a court decision:

Ask permission?

You do not have to ask for permission to appeal, it is part of the legal process and his right to do so. If in doubt write to the House of Lords, the highest appeal court in the land.

Anyone with a slight interest in law knows that isn't true. The Supreme Court has been the highest UK appeal court since 2009.

[longdog]

Anyone with a slight interest in law knows that isn't true. The Supreme Court has been the highest UK appeal court since 2009.

That's true but anybody with a slight interest in the law knows statute takes precedence over common law, most of Magna Carta is no longer in effect and the crime of treason has a definition which doesn't include taking people to court for non-payment of their council tax... Concepts that are entirely alien to these fruitcakes.

[Skeleton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ-OL30cvhs

The young lad in this video is locked in battle with the bailiffs over paying his CT. He knows he has to pay it but its the amount the bailiffs want off him each week he has an issue with. Simple non freetard stuff until that is a freetard wanders into the comments and posts this "advice." I have seen similar from him in the past.

chris rainbow3 days ago

send a recorded letter stating your charges ,for receiving anything from equiter,ending the letter with the line " any reply will mean you have agreed my terms and conditions " . the precedent was set by steve Higgins in 2013 and your fee can be what you like. now,should they be silly enough to persue, you now have a signature of agreement of your terms,meaning you now have a contract and they will have to pay your fee. my charge would be £5000, but its up to you. hope this is helpful.
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They really do not care who they hurt in their fight against the system do they.