Natural selection at work in modern society?

[arayder]

One can't help but note how freemen are so often unable to participate in society.

They often don’t pay their bills and hence can’t do business, they can’t drive down the highways because they don’t have licenses or insurance.

The worst of them can't even keep their teeth.

They waste countless hours that could be spent having a life by trying to make traffic tickets into questions of constitutional law. While people all across the globe protest, fight and die for equal access to the law, Canadian freemen squander access to the court system of one of the world’s most equitable and just democracies.

What Thomas Jefferson called the pursuit happiness is in large part the freedom and ability to participate in society. Freemen fritter away this birthright because they can’t get past their self indulgency.

If you can’t make a go of it in Canada, then you got a problem. Ask the immigrants streaming into North America who want nothing more than the chance at happiness freeman piss away!

The freeman's powerless poverty and constant legal troubles are not the result of tyranny.

It’s natural selection at work in modern society.

Society's best hope is that Canadian women will continue to reject poorly groomed freemen with the dirty mattresses in the back of their vans. . . and this twig on the tree of human devolution will wilt and fall off.

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Dope Clock: It has been 64 days since freeman guru Robert Menard promised to bring legal actions to secure precedent setting judgments. So far there is no documentation of a single legal action by Menard.

[Judge Roy Bean]

Among the most disaffected, unhappy myth-believers are probably some who actually have undiagnosed mental illnesses, particularly Paranoid Personality Disorder. The WHO designates PPD as a diagnosis when the patient exhibits things like:

Suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
A combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
Preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.

Sound familiar?

[JamesVincent]

Sound familiar?

Like every FMOTL we talk about?

[NYGman]

Sound familiar?

Alex Jones???

[rogfulton]

Sound familiar?

Alex Jones???

Damn, beat me to it

[arayder]

Among the most disaffected, unhappy myth-believers are probably some who actually have undiagnosed mental illnesses, particularly Paranoid Personality Disorder. The WHO designates PPD as a diagnosis when the patient exhibits things like:

Suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
A combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
Preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.

Sound familiar?

There are subtypes of the disorder, including: (my emphasis)

Obdurate (including compulsive features) --- Self-assertive, unyielding, stubborn, steely, implacable, unrelenting, dyspeptic, peevish, and cranky stance; legalistic and self-righteous; discharges previously restrained hostility; renounces self-other conflict.

Fanatic (including narcissistic features) --- Grandiose delusions are irrational and flimsy; pretentious, expensive supercilious contempt and arrogance toward others; lost pride reestablished with extravagant claims and fantasies.

Querulous (including negativistic features) --- Contentious, caviling, fractious, argumentative, faultfinding, unaccommodating, resentful, choleric, jealous, peevish, sullen, endless wrangles, whiny, waspish, snappish.

Insular (including avoidant features) --- Reclusive, self-sequestered, hermitical; self-protectively secluded from omnipresent threats and destructive forces; hypervigilant and defensive against imagined dangers.

Malignant (including sadistic features) --- Belligerent, cantankerous, intimidating, vengeful, callous, and tyrannical; hostility vented primarily in fantasy; projects own venomous outlook onto others; persecutory delusions.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoid_ ... y_disorder

I think the obdurate, fanatic and querulous categories explain a lot of freeman behavior. One recalls the countless youtubes of arrogant, self-righteous freemen spouting their invented legalistic jargon at traffic cops, meter readers and police station receptionists.

Freemen want us to believe they are a movement. But I believe we are simply observing mental disorders played out in court, on the streets, on internet forums and on youtubes.

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Dope Clock: It has been 65 days since freeman guru Robert Menard promised to bring legal actions to secure precedent setting judgments. So far there is no documentation of a single legal action by Menard.

[arayder]

Consistent with their love of conspiracies, reflective of their profound distrust of authority and their general ignorance Canadian freemen are caterwauling their way through the current U.S. elections. Their poor grasp of the law and history combined with a lack good common sense compels them to blame the U.S. government for all things wrong in the world.

In a painfully obviously case of projection Canadian freemen claim U.S. office holders do nothing and steal money.

This is what happens when one fails eight grade civics and spends the next two decades combing conspiracy websites.

There is no doubt that the U.S. Presidential election is saddled by two unpopular candidates. There is a possibility we'll elect a man who could be the worst president in history of the nation. But we'll deal with it. . and we don't need the advice of a crew led by a loser who, in a country with free health care, can't maintain his own teeth.

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Dope Clock: It has been 69 days since freeman guru Robert Menard promised to bring legal actions to secure precedent setting judgments. So far there is no documentation of a single legal action by Menard.

[Forsyth]

Among the most disaffected, unhappy myth-believers are probably some who actually have undiagnosed mental illnesses, particularly Paranoid Personality Disorder. The WHO designates PPD as a diagnosis when the patient exhibits things like:

Suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
A combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
Preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.

Sound familiar?

Also: Narcissistic personality disorder.

According to the DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most or all of the following symptoms, typically without commensurate qualities or accomplishments:

1. Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from others
2. Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
3. Self-perception of being unique, superior and associated with high-status people and institutions
4. Needing constant admiration from others
5. Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
6. Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain
7. Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs
8. Intensely envious of others and the belief that others are equally envious of them
9. Pompous and arrogant demeanor

I have noticed a distinct association with conspiracy theorists/Freemen/etc. with a rejection of evidence based medical care which suggests a more direct link with the topic title. I have contemplated that if I really were an Illuminati agent plotting their downfall this might well be something I would seek to encourage...

[Burnaby49]

Consistent with their love of conspiracies, reflective of their profound distrust of authority and their general ignorance Canadian freemen are caterwauling their way through the current U.S. elections. Their poor grasp of the law and history combined with a lack good common sense compels them to blame the U.S. government for all things wrong in the world.

In a painfully obviously case of projection Canadian freemen claim U.S. office holders do nothing and steal money.

This is what happens when one fails eight grade civics and spends the next two decades combing conspiracy websites.

There is no doubt that the U.S. Presidential election is saddled by two unpopular candidates. There is a possibility we'll elect a man who could be the worst president in history of the nation. But we'll deal with it. . and we don't need the advice of a crew led by a loser who, in a country with free health care, can't maintain his own teeth.

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Dope Clock: It has been 69 days since freeman guru Robert Menard promised to bring legal actions to secure precedent setting judgments. So far there is no documentation of a single legal action by Menard.

Dental isn't covered under our health care plan.

[Forsyth]

[...] this might well be something I would seek to encourage...

By "seek to encourage", I of course mean that I would deny furiously that, for example, drinking bleach could possibly be good for their health and forbid it from being described as such in the strongest possible way. I would then sit back and wait for people to reach their own reasonable and carefully thought out conclusions as to why I was banning such a therapy and proceed accordingly.

Darwin is a dark god.

[Philistine]

Consistent with their love of conspiracies, reflective of their profound distrust of authority and their general ignorance Canadian freemen are caterwauling their way through the current U.S. elections. Their poor grasp of the law and history combined with a lack good common sense compels them to blame the U.S. government for all things wrong in the world.

In a painfully obviously case of projection Canadian freemen claim U.S. office holders do nothing and steal money.

This is what happens when one fails eight grade civics and spends the next two decades combing conspiracy websites.

There is no doubt that the U.S. Presidential election is saddled by two unpopular candidates. There is a possibility we'll elect a man who could be the worst president in history of the nation. But we'll deal with it. . and we don't need the advice of a crew led by a loser who, in a country with free health care, can't maintain his own teeth.

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Dope Clock: It has been 69 days since freeman guru Robert Menard promised to bring legal actions to secure precedent setting judgments. So far there is no documentation of a single legal action by Menard.

Dental isn't covered under our health care plan.

Also, Trudeau's teeth aren't that bad...

[arayder]

Also: Narcissistic personality disorder.

According to the DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most or all of the following symptoms, typically without commensurate qualities or accomplishments:

1. Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from others
2. Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
3. Self-perception of being unique, superior and associated with high-status people and institutions
4. Needing constant admiration from others
5. Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
6. Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain
7. Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs
8. Intensely envious of others and the belief that others are equally envious of them
9. Pompous and arrogant demeanor

I have noticed a distinct association with conspiracy theorists/Freemen/etc. with a rejection of evidence based medical care which suggests a more direct link with the topic title. I have contemplated that if I really were an Illuminati agent plotting their downfall this might well be something I would seek to encourage...

I am amazed at the average freeman's fantasy that he has figured out exactly what's wrong with the western democracies and his persuant arrogant presumption that society's embrace of freemanism would make it all alright.

The freeman's grossly inaccurate self-perception doesn't wash with reality. The average freeman doesn't seem to grasp how a democracy works, much less how to fix one.

Freemanary's snaggle toothed guru is a perfect example of this insanity. He's wandered from an embrace of anarcho-libertarianism to direct democracy to "good government" and everything in between, depending on who he's talking to. One day he says Donald Trump is reprehensible . . .then he says he'd vote for him.

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Dope Clock: It has been 69 days since freeman guru Robert Menard promised to bring legal actions to secure precedent setting judgments. So far there is no documentation of a single legal action by Menard.

[notorial dissent]

I think isn't it Yemen that is the perfect realization of the Freeman ideal of everyone for themselves?

[Tuba Cain]

Off topic, but current and Yemen related:

https://news.usni.org/2016/10/11/uss-ma ... les-attack

[eric]

There is no doubt that the U.S. Presidential election is saddled by two unpopular candidates. There is a possibility we'll elect a man who could be the worst president in history of the nation. But we'll deal with it. . and we don't need the advice of a crew led by a loser who, in a country with free health care, can't maintain his own teeth.

Dental isn't covered under our health care plan.

Perhaps that is why the Alberta Freemen get so upset when their AISH benefits get cut off. Along with quite a good dental plan, AISH covers pretty well all drugs (including experimental drug treatments), specialist visits, medical appliances, odds and sods bits that those with chronic conditions might require, and access to home care providers to assist with basic needs to daily living.

I have no intention to cut down those who need AISH, and am quite familiar with the benefits it provides, but its whole purpose is to assist those with a chronic disability and are unable to provide for themselves and give them enough support that hopefully they can live a life as best they can, given their disabilities.
...finished my rant, will shut up now.

[notorial dissent]

My problem with that, is that the ones, again IMHO, who really should be on the proper drugs and getting treatment for their problems, AREN'T, and I don't, and never did, consider pot a proper treatment in place of the proper anti-psychotics, which I think a good number of them desperately need. If you believe the empirical studies, which I do to a degree, pot, canabinol, is quite good for some things, of the things it is not good for are people who tend to weird out, as in get (severely) paranoid, depressed, delusional, psychotic, suicidal, all those good things, actually rather like a great number of the wonder pharma mood enhancers one sees peddled on TV that among other the side effects they list as above are death. I am of the opinion that there are a number of the footl crowd who really shouldn't ever partake of either pot, alcohol, or most likely most controlled substances. Empirically, on my own behalf, I know that there are a great number of the magic pills that I cannot and seriously should not take, as they don't work, don't work as described, make me violently ill, or have other nasty unhelpful side effects and don't do what they are supposed to do in the bargain.

So why, should the footl fools be any different. I also suspect that due to the cluster of symptoms a great many of them evidence that they may also suffer from some of the negative contra-indications as well. Just my observations, YMMV. I do know as an established fact, as in daily verified, that pot (and other drugs) and stupid don't safely mix.

[arayder]

I think isn't it Yemen that is the perfect realization of the Freeman ideal of everyone for themselves?

Freemen may want to believe they could tame part of a wild place like Yemen and create a little heaven on earth. But the fact is back in the 2000's they couldn't even begin to start a simple commune like freeman valley in relatively tame western Canada.

The ideal environment for a freeman is mom's rent free, wifi enabled, basement within walking distance of a liquor store, a pizza restaurant and their source of weed.

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Dope Clock: It has been 70 days since freeman guru Robert Menard promised to bring legal actions to secure precedent setting judgments. So far there is no documentation of a single legal action by Menard.

[notorial dissent]

Fact is, that three freemen can't live in the same house without ending up in an all out civil war, so HOW are they going to form a commune or anything else where they are all equally selfish and useless, someone, sometime, has to do some kind of work, if only so that they eat. Even the hippy communes figured out that there had to be some distribution of work or they starved to death, and the successful ones put people to work doing what they could do best. The general footl problem is that none of them do ANYTHING best, or at all, except maybe sponging off someone else.

And don't forget, Mom paying the bills.

[Forsyth]

The ideal environment for a freeman is mom's rent free, wifi enabled, basement within walking distance of a liquor store, a pizza restaurant and their source of weed.

The problem with most of them is the shared belief in a big stack of free *value* somewhere. It might be free money, free energy, free food or free (and perfect) healthcare, but it doesn't need to be created by them, or exchanged for something else of value, because it's just lying around waiting to be found. Where this mysterious manna came from is uncertain - it may be a legacy from our ancestors, a gift of benevolent aliens or the creation of some generic spiritual being, but its existence is certain (if unproven) and anyone who denies such free bounty to them can only be working for the Forces of Evil (TM George Lucas).

The reality is that just existing on a ball of spinning rock floating through space is actual very difficult. The fact that we have it quite as good as we do IS down to a secret legacy from our ancestors/aliens/Eris/whatever, but it's a legacy of science, technology and industry, it's a legacy of language, learning and healthcare, it's a legacy of philosophy, music and art. And, well, pretty much everything else that makes up this thing we call civilisation. This includes democracy, law and governments without which, like it or not, we wouldn't have the stability to develop and maintain all the rest, most of which requires pretty much everything else to be present and developing as well.

The fact that we can cart a few freeloaders along for the ride is actually pretty amazing. OK, a few casualties along the way, but hey - this is a Great. Big. Spinning. Rock. In. Space. The fact we're doing anything more than breathing, feeding and breeding all the while most of us manage to cling on, at least for a time, is incredible. You say life isn't fair? Nope, it isn't. There are plenty of parts of the world which are really lagging behind, try going there if you want to see what 'fair' really means. One thing you'll see is a whole bunch of people working hard to make it better. They're not sitting in a basement making YouTube videos about how unfair it all is, they're clinging on hoping not to die today and perhaps not tomorrow either. And in between, they're working to bring as many of the benefits of civilisation to their familly, their friends and their community as they can.

The sad truth is that in the eyes of most of the population of the world I AM a freeloader. I have to do so little work to survive that they would hardly recognise it as work. The fact that there are people that I can look on as freeloaders is probably beyond their comprehension. I can understand freeloading - it's actually one of the big driving forces that's brought us civilization, it's the drive to make life easier tomorrow than it is today. That's really important. I don't judge anyone for not wanting to work for something but, for the love of civilisation, STOP WHINGING ABOUT IT.

Thank you.

That was a public service announcement issued on behalf of the Godlike Alien Management by their loyal Illuminati drone.

[arayder]

. . .The general footl problem is that none of them do ANYTHING best, or at all, except maybe sponging off someone else. . .

The trades seem to be the thing in freeman world. Allen Boisjoli has a construction business and is reported to do good work. Brian Alexander has a chimney sweep business. Mika Rasila claims to do construction work on a cash basis so as to avoid government regulations. Menard claims to be a trained stone mason (Clifford doesn't count. . .he was little more than a guy with a tool belt and a truck).

More power to 'em, I say.

The problem is that these boys spend so many hours fighting the freeman fight one has to figure all the time away from work has to hurt business. This is to say nothing of missing jobs because they were in jail or on the run when they were supposed to be on a work site. As in, "Allen does good work provided you can spring him from jail."

The other problem is that freeman entrepreneurs, like Menard, who peddle products eventually run into a government rule or regulation required to get the product to market. Not wanting to lose their freeman street cred these can't-plan-ahead boys refuse to comply with the reg (no matter how innocuous it may be). The product never gets to market and the investors are out their money. Does that give you some idea why the ninja goat ever got any backing?

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Dope Clock: It has been 70 days since freeman guru Robert Menard promised to bring legal actions to secure precedent setting judgments. So far there is no documentation of a single legal action by Menard.