Is this where Ex-Goofers have gone to play?

[Arthur Rubin]

Member "landlubber" is having trouble with his broadband Internet connection. What's happening to our broadband.

You don't have any form of "net neutrality" over there, do you? That being said, a restriction on the use of broadband by "paper terrorists" (not quite the same as what he calls "free thinkers") sounds like a good idea.

[aesmith]

You don't have any form of "net neutrality" over there, do you?

Not as such, not as a stated policy. In practice policies have been contrary to that idea, with the larger ISPs agreeing to block access to some know software piracy sources, and a discussion about whether access to porn sites should be restricted, or made subject to opt in or something. The big news was the Investigatory Powers Act which when in effect will compel ISPs to retain some logging.

But in the real world, if the authorities decided that Mr Lubber was a danger, I'm sure they'd take more effective action than introducing random temporary outages to his home Internet connection. Outages that haven't stopped him grumbling about them on the Internet.

[littleFred]

In my personal experience, BT and Openreach (part of the same company, last time I heard) are incompetent technically and managerially, with appalling customer service. They also lie, including billing for services they know they haven't delivered, which seems to me to be Fraud.

Here in the UK, the problems don't rise as far as "net neutrality". We consider ourselves lucky to be on the net at all.

Sorry, I shouldn't rant. The problem isn't as handle says that "Free thinkers are being targeted." There is no targeting. We all suffer.

[grixit]

If "free thinkers" are targeted then that lot should be fine.

Otoh, i give points for originality to Landlubber for coming up with a handle that can't be touched by admiralty law.

[aesmith]

I don't know how you'd classify Landlubber's attitude. He has a broadband fault and thinks he's an expert, so does he (1) call his service provider to report it, or does he (2) log into his router or modem and look at the statistics and logs to see if that sheds any light one what's causing it, before calling his ISP. Or does he (3) google the Internet to see if there's a large scale conspiracy? Yet he genuinely seems to think that he has some expertise and is using that to get to the bottom of his issue. Note as an expert he explains to Ceylon that Skype uses the Internet. He knows that FTTC uses fibre to the street cabinet, but manifestly fails to understand why it's done that way, so refuses to take up such a service on principle.

Is this all simple refusal to do anything in the normal way, just for it's own sake?

[Hercule Parrot]

What I am looking for at this moment is a common point between all of those who have lost their internet connectivity, which in all honesty is a formidable task, but I still have some easier checks to make first once my local computer shop opens on Tuesday following the bank holiday...

There goes several hours of some poor guy's day. Not easy to make a living with a small computer store these days, when replacement is often cheaper than repair. He's lost a day of business already, and here comes a doley in a tin-foil hat wanting to discuss theories about how the Rothschilds are interfering with his Facebook access.

[notorial dissent]

I don't know how you'd classify Landlubber's attitude. He has a broadband fault and thinks he's an expert, so does he (1) call his service provider to report it, or does he (2) log into his router or modem and look at the statistics and logs to see if that sheds any light one what's causing it, before calling his ISP. Or does he (3) google the Internet to see if there's a large scale conspiracy? Yet he genuinely seems to think that he has some expertise and is using that to get to the bottom of his issue. Note as an expert he explains to Ceylon that Skype uses the Internet. He knows that FTTC uses fibre to the street cabinet, but manifestly fails to understand why it's done that way, so refuses to take up such a service on principle.

Is this all simple refusal to do anything in the normal way, just for it's own sake?

In my part of the world we just call that a special kind of stupid and try and maintain a good safe non-contact distance, there is some observational evidence that it is also contagious. Kind of like my great aunt who would never unplug anything for fear the electricity would get out.

[aesmith]

Some descriptions of the telephone network are pure fairy tale ...

Once your telephone connects to the exchange it is transmitted through the exchange to a transmitter on the roof and to a satellite, from the satellite to the receiving exchange as a minimum and this gives two radio transmissions to intercept, the uplink from the exchange to the satellite, and the downlink from the satellite to the receiving exchange.

[longdog]

Some descriptions of the telephone network are pure fairy tale ...

Once your telephone connects to the exchange it is transmitted through the exchange to a transmitter on the roof and to a satellite, from the satellite to the receiving exchange as a minimum and this gives two radio transmissions to intercept, the uplink from the exchange to the satellite, and the downlink from the satellite to the receiving exchange.

That was sort of, nearly, almost, more or less true once with international calls but sub-sea fibre-optic cables replaced them donkey's years ago. Domestic calls might go via microwave link but even this is old hat now. Fibre-optical cable has massively more bandwidth than microwave and it's several light-years ahead of satellite.

[aesmith]

Local exchanges would never have had direct satellite connections. Most are nothing but a bunch of remote shelves for processors at main sites, which in turn connect to tandem switching exchanges for calls outside the exchange.

[notorial dissent]

Yeah, between fibre optics and just new technology there is no longer any point. The bandwidth in FO is so much greater and cheaper overall that satellite is just too expensive except for mass broadcast like the cable tv and such. For the most part, unless you are calling really long distance, all calls are wire at this point.

[aesmith]

Stop using Statutes and Common Law

Post by Waffle Yesterday at 10:19 pm
A legal interest is a right in property governed by statute and common law. An equitable (beneficial) interest is a right in property governed by the law of equity.

Post by bimmer Today at 8:32 am
Got a link to that?

Post by Waffle Today at 9:21 am
Unfortunately not. Last time I published my work from there they shut down the manuals I was wirking from for months. Coincidence or isolated block I don't know but it's set me back months, I don't want to risk it, hence the edit above. Go in their manuals and look around for yourself There's lots to discover.

We should be thinking about moving away from legal land and sought the law we need to protect ourselves. It's not going to come easy, but when we understand everything is property and land law and we're using common law as a defence we now know we are in the wrong world!

Anyone have a clue what the aptly named Waffle is on about?

[longdog]

Stop using Statutes and Common Law

Post by Waffle Yesterday at 10:19 pm
A legal interest is a right in property governed by statute and common law. An equitable (beneficial) interest is a right in property governed by the law of equity.

Post by bimmer Today at 8:32 am
Got a link to that?

Post by Waffle Today at 9:21 am
Unfortunately not. Last time I published my work from there they shut down the manuals I was wirking from for months. Coincidence or isolated block I don't know but it's set me back months, I don't want to risk it, hence the edit above. Go in their manuals and look around for yourself There's lots to discover.

We should be thinking about moving away from legal land and sought the law we need to protect ourselves. It's not going to come easy, but when we understand everything is property and land law and we're using common law as a defence we now know we are in the wrong world!

Anyone have a clue what the aptly named Waffle is on about?

I think Waffle was 'wirking' on a document about something or other but rather than using a word processing programme on a computer like normal people he was doing it online and then something happened and because of that something else happened and he lost his work.

Other than that... Fuck knows.

[notorial dissent]

Stop using Statutes and Common Law

Post by Waffle Yesterday at 10:19 pm
A legal interest is a right in property governed by statute and common law. An equitable (beneficial) interest is a right in property governed by the law of equity.

Post by bimmer Today at 8:32 am
Got a link to that?

Post by Waffle Today at 9:21 am
Unfortunately not. Last time I published my work from there they shut down the manuals I was wirking from for months. Coincidence or isolated block I don't know but it's set me back months, I don't want to risk it, hence the edit above. Go in their manuals and look around for yourself There's lots to discover.

We should be thinking about moving away from legal land and sought the law we need to protect ourselves. It's not going to come easy, but when we understand everything is property and land law and we're using common law as a defence we now know we are in the wrong world!

Anyone have a clue what the aptly named Waffle is on about?

170 words, none of which relate one to one the other in any coherent fashion.

[Penny Wise]

As a complete stab in the dark, I putting my money on that he is talking about Trust Law

Where ownership is split. The legal owner (owner at law) has all the rights, responsibilities, duties, title etc and the Beneficial Owner (owner in equity) has the benefit, for want of a better description the fun of owning something without all grief of being the legal owner.

However, you can't have a beneficial owner unless there is a legal owner.

Not sure what books or manuals he claims have been taken down and think he is talking out of one of his orifices and I am not referring to his mouth

[Gregg]

170 words, none of which relate one to one the other in any coherent fashion.

Our first nomination for the DMVP Word Salad Award. Or as we call it "The Scooter Trophy"

[notorial dissent]

It sounds vaguely reminiscent of some sovcit drivel I tripped over recently where some guru was trying to explain the "peoples" relationship to and with the constitution. All based on misunderstandings of various words and phrases and him trying to 'splain why his constitutionally solid theory wasn't working in the courts, he got that one almost right, basically because NO ONE was paying any attention to his revealed wisdom, now where have we tripped across that before???? So what were they going to do, why try another constitutionally solid theory, of course. Since obviously learning from past fails is NOT an option.

[mufc1959]

It looks as if the new owners of GOODF have finally closed down the forum.

https://getoutofdebtfree.org/

I clicked on my menubar icon, which usually has me logged in and takes me to unread posts in the forum. But instead I had to log in again and got taken to the home page. I can't find the forum anywhere.


Edit: I found the forum hidden away in a tiny menu at the foot of the home page, it's been moved and I can't find the 'unread posts' tab.

[JimUk1]

It looks as if the new owners of GOODF have finally closed down the forum.

https://getoutofdebtfree.org/

I clicked on my menubar icon, which usually has me logged in and takes me to unread posts in the forum. But instead I had to log in again and got taken to the home page. I can't find the forum anywhere.

Just an advert for IVA's now. So long GOODF

[mufc1959]

It looks as if anything after 18 May has been deleted.

https://getoutofdebtfree.org/forum/index.php